What ever happened to Palin, Dick Cheny is the mad dog?
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I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names, but she hasn't shown up for any events, she's not engaging the enemy. (I guess it doesn't help if the bad guys burn your church down... ) However, Heart Attack Cheney is out there eating raw meat. What's up with that?
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I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names, but she hasn't shown up for any events, she's not engaging the enemy. (I guess it doesn't help if the bad guys burn your church down... ) However, Heart Attack Cheney is out there eating raw meat. What's up with that?
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I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names, but she hasn't shown up for any events, she's not engaging the enemy. (I guess it doesn't help if the bad guys burn your church down... ) However, Heart Attack Cheney is out there eating raw meat. What's up with that?
kmg365 wrote:
I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names, but she hasn't shown up for any events, she's not engaging the enemy.
Because she just isn't capable and she never really cared or, she is just too busy reading "all" of the magazines and other publications. Also, in my opinion, *right now*, she is about the worst thing for the republican party if they want to win back the moderates and national elections. Too a person, every swing voter I know saw her selection as an appeasement to supernaturalists. If things don't go well for obama over the next two years, then bring her out to cater to a reaction to the current government. Simple strategy for a fickle electorate that lacks a memory or long term thinking.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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kmg365 wrote:
I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names, but she hasn't shown up for any events, she's not engaging the enemy.
Because she just isn't capable and she never really cared or, she is just too busy reading "all" of the magazines and other publications. Also, in my opinion, *right now*, she is about the worst thing for the republican party if they want to win back the moderates and national elections. Too a person, every swing voter I know saw her selection as an appeasement to supernaturalists. If things don't go well for obama over the next two years, then bring her out to cater to a reaction to the current government. Simple strategy for a fickle electorate that lacks a memory or long term thinking.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
she is about the worst best thing for the republican party
FIFY
Chris Austin wrote:
if they want to win back the moderates the folks with no real principles
FIFY
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names, but she hasn't shown up for any events, she's not engaging the enemy. (I guess it doesn't help if the bad guys burn your church down... ) However, Heart Attack Cheney is out there eating raw meat. What's up with that?
kmg365 wrote:
I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names
She's running a state government. She's up for re-electiom in 2010 and will probably not run, then focus on 2012.
kmg365 wrote:
Heart Attack Cheney is out there eating raw meat
without appology.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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kmg365 wrote:
I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names, but she hasn't shown up for any events, she's not engaging the enemy.
Because she just isn't capable and she never really cared or, she is just too busy reading "all" of the magazines and other publications. Also, in my opinion, *right now*, she is about the worst thing for the republican party if they want to win back the moderates and national elections. Too a person, every swing voter I know saw her selection as an appeasement to supernaturalists. If things don't go well for obama over the next two years, then bring her out to cater to a reaction to the current government. Simple strategy for a fickle electorate that lacks a memory or long term thinking.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Early in Obama's campaign he went hard left to bring in the socialists. You would think the other party would swing conservative for the same reason. Those that are passionate whether they are socialists or conservatives contribute to campaigns. Moderates are whishy washy and are hard pressed to stroke off a check to a campaign. So it makes no sense.
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Chris Austin wrote:
she is about the worst best thing for the republican party
FIFY
Chris Austin wrote:
if they want to win back the moderates the folks with no real principles
FIFY
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
That's right, you are whining about things now that have been happening for decades and moderates have no principles.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Chris Austin wrote: she is about the worst best thing for the republican party FIFY
Yep because republicans need more illiterate idiots that have to ask a fat drug addict for their position on key issues.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Early in Obama's campaign he went hard left to bring in the socialists. You would think the other party would swing conservative for the same reason. Those that are passionate whether they are socialists or conservatives contribute to campaigns. Moderates are whishy washy and are hard pressed to stroke off a check to a campaign. So it makes no sense.
kmg365 wrote:
So it makes no sense.
So what happened? Where did all of the conservatives go? Did they not vote for Palin and friends because she is too conservative or because she, like a large swath of the republicans are not conservative in any sense beyond social conservatism?
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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kmg365 wrote:
I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names
She's running a state government. She's up for re-electiom in 2010 and will probably not run, then focus on 2012.
kmg365 wrote:
Heart Attack Cheney is out there eating raw meat
without appology.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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That's right, you are whining about things now that have been happening for decades and moderates have no principles.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Chris Austin wrote: she is about the worst best thing for the republican party FIFY
Yep because republicans need more illiterate idiots that have to ask a fat drug addict for their position on key issues.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
moderates have no principles.
correct.
Chris Austin wrote:
fat drug addict self made millionaires
FIFY
Chris Austin wrote:
more illiterate idiots
because they don't agree with your "moderate" opinions? how fucking stupid.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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kmg365 wrote:
So it makes no sense.
So what happened? Where did all of the conservatives go? Did they not vote for Palin and friends because she is too conservative or because she, like a large swath of the republicans are not conservative in any sense beyond social conservatism?
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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That's right, you are whining about things now that have been happening for decades and moderates have no principles.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Chris Austin wrote: she is about the worst best thing for the republican party FIFY
Yep because republicans need more illiterate idiots that have to ask a fat drug addict for their position on key issues.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
Yep because republicans need more illiterate idiots that have to ask a fat drug addict for their position on key issues.
You seem to think there is anyone the republicans could possibly run who would not be immediately converted into a droolling moron by the press. That comes with the territory. Bobby Jindal is probably orders of magnitude more intelligent than the entire democrat party, but they are already in the process of idiotofying him. The very minute he actually announces for national office you can be assured that he will no longer be considered intellegent enough to tie his own shoe laces. Palin is a perfectly competent, mainstream, American politician. There is absolutely nothing extreme or unsavory about her position on anything. Her family will probably always be a bit of a boat anchor, but that is her issue to deal with. If she wants to make a run for national office I intend to do everything I can to support her. You couldn't find a candidate more worthy of public office than Palin is in either party.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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kmg365 wrote:
So it makes no sense.
So what happened? Where did all of the conservatives go? Did they not vote for Palin and friends because she is too conservative or because she, like a large swath of the republicans are not conservative in any sense beyond social conservatism?
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
Where did all of the conservatives go? Did they not vote for Palin and friends because she is too conservative or because she, like a large swath of the republicans are not conservative in any sense beyond social conservatism?
We do indeed need to find better conservatives than we have had. But that includes rock ribbed social conservatives. If you truly understand why fiscal conservatism is important than you also understand why social conservatism is just as important. They are two sides of the same coin. You cannot have one without the other.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Chris Austin wrote:
moderates have no principles.
correct.
Chris Austin wrote:
fat drug addict self made millionaires
FIFY
Chris Austin wrote:
more illiterate idiots
because they don't agree with your "moderate" opinions? how fucking stupid.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Chris Austin wrote: fat drug addict self made millionaires FIFY
It doesn't change the fact that he runs the party. It doesn't change that you and the rest of the neocons are in lock step with his opinions and don't seem capable of forming your own political ideals. You and those like you are no different than the weak minded populists that the democrats cater to. You are being used, you know it, but you refuse to help yourself.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
because they don't agree with your "moderate" opinions? how f***ing stupid.
No, my opinion of her is that she lacks the mental capability to form her own opinions. Like you.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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kmg365 wrote:
I thought Palin would be out there kick'n ass and taking names, but she hasn't shown up for any events, she's not engaging the enemy.
Because she just isn't capable and she never really cared or, she is just too busy reading "all" of the magazines and other publications. Also, in my opinion, *right now*, she is about the worst thing for the republican party if they want to win back the moderates and national elections. Too a person, every swing voter I know saw her selection as an appeasement to supernaturalists. If things don't go well for obama over the next two years, then bring her out to cater to a reaction to the current government. Simple strategy for a fickle electorate that lacks a memory or long term thinking.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Mike and Stan and Rush don't want the moderates back. They are convinced that the moderates cost them the election. A strange calculus, since driving away those who didn't vote elsewhere on their own accord will just make their losses be by even larger margins. Let them slam the door, it's going to get dark and lonely in that cave they've chosen.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Where did all of the conservatives go? Did they not vote for Palin and friends because she is too conservative or because she, like a large swath of the republicans are not conservative in any sense beyond social conservatism?
We do indeed need to find better conservatives than we have had. But that includes rock ribbed social conservatives. If you truly understand why fiscal conservatism is important than you also understand why social conservatism is just as important. They are two sides of the same coin. You cannot have one without the other.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
They are two sides of the same coin. You cannot have one without the other.
I don't necessarily disagree. I think that because they lack any type of understanding of fiscal conservatism they have swung badly out of balance and they only have one thing to hang their hats on. Heck, I even remember years ago on this forum the staunch neocons defending bush's prewar deficit spending. Man, we really need an intelligent, well rounded conservative candidate?
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Chris Austin wrote:
Yep because republicans need more illiterate idiots that have to ask a fat drug addict for their position on key issues.
You seem to think there is anyone the republicans could possibly run who would not be immediately converted into a droolling moron by the press. That comes with the territory. Bobby Jindal is probably orders of magnitude more intelligent than the entire democrat party, but they are already in the process of idiotofying him. The very minute he actually announces for national office you can be assured that he will no longer be considered intellegent enough to tie his own shoe laces. Palin is a perfectly competent, mainstream, American politician. There is absolutely nothing extreme or unsavory about her position on anything. Her family will probably always be a bit of a boat anchor, but that is her issue to deal with. If she wants to make a run for national office I intend to do everything I can to support her. You couldn't find a candidate more worthy of public office than Palin is in either party.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Bobby Jindal is probably orders of magnitude more intelligent than the entire democrat party
I agree, he is quite intelligent. I'd consider voting for him if he doesn't abandon his history hang his hat on a single issue like McCain did.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Palin is a perfectly competent, mainstream, American politician. There is absolutely nothing extreme or unsavory about her position on anything. Her family will probably always be a bit of a boat anchor, but that is her issue to deal with.
No one in the press made her say things like "all of them" in response to what she reads.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You couldn't find a candidate more worthy of public office than Palin is in either party.
That is a question of opinion. I can't think of more than one or two honest politicians and I don't include her in that group.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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So, you can't explain where the conservatives went?
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Stan Shannon wrote:
They are two sides of the same coin. You cannot have one without the other.
I don't necessarily disagree. I think that because they lack any type of understanding of fiscal conservatism they have swung badly out of balance and they only have one thing to hang their hats on. Heck, I even remember years ago on this forum the staunch neocons defending bush's prewar deficit spending. Man, we really need an intelligent, well rounded conservative candidate?
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
I don't necessarily disagree. I think that because they lack any type of understanding of fiscal conservatism they have swung badly out of balance and they only have one thing to hang their hats on.
And that is why this is a perfect opportunity to find better conservatives and get them into national office. Frankly, letting the media define who they should be is the biggest mistake we could make. If anything, waiting to see who the media are most concerned about by the way they try to build a negative public persona around them, is the best way to know who to support. I would vote for Palin for no other reason than the media's hate and contempt for her. I would love to see the American people shove that gal into the media's face and watch their heads start exploding.
Chris Austin wrote:
Heck, I even remember years ago on this forum the staunch neocons defending bush's prewar deficit spending. Man, we really need an intelligent, well rounded conservative candidate?
I don't know a single conservative who was ever comfortable with the Bush administration's spending. Everyone was critical of it. The only thing good that could be said of it was that it was still less than the democrats wanted to spend. But, Bush's handling of the economy was not terrible otherwise until the last few months. He kept a nearly optimal level of revenue streaming into the government. But, yeah, we need more people who are willing to really cut spending. They are out there if we ignore the media noise. Bush was not one of them.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.