Scientific Civilization [modified]
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What do you think of a society governed by science and science only? A society so mechanized and organized that it can be viewed as a machine and controlled with variables. Tweaking the variables in the machine would cause a cascade effect effecting every individual. Everyone would be thoroughly cataloged, everything from what they buy, where they drive, where they walk, facial expressions noted using AI that analyzes CCTV footage 24/7. Psychology would certainly be used in the system. The mentality of people would be manipulated with social engineering. The media would be the major outlet of such manipulation. Nobody would be allowed to reproduce without a license. Law breakers, people who don't pay the taxes and fees, and politically incorrect people are castrated. Education would be highly regulated, everyone from childhood to collage would be required the necessary conditioning to be a "productive member" of society. Moral integrity is systematically broken down. Morality is immoral. Virgins are looked down upon. Those who tell the truth are liars, and actual liars are righteous. Everyone has to work and continue to work, except the privileged "disabled". Savings would be stealthed away and debt is the only way to stay afloat in the economy. People are punished for what they think, what they ingest, and what they say. Defiant people are sent to man made hells and forbidden to buy or sell anything as their money would be electronically disabled.. There would be nowhere to run or hide, you would have no choice as you are owned by the ruling elite. You must do what you are told to do or suffer the punishments. You would be a cog in a highly organized and controlled machine, unable to think for yourself or do what you want. You would not be a human, but a unit. The science of tyranny is absolute law.
modified on Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:26 PM
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What do you think of a society governed by science and science only? A society so mechanized and organized that it can be viewed as a machine and controlled with variables. Tweaking the variables in the machine would cause a cascade effect effecting every individual. Everyone would be thoroughly cataloged, everything from what they buy, where they drive, where they walk, facial expressions noted using AI that analyzes CCTV footage 24/7. Psychology would certainly be used in the system. The mentality of people would be manipulated with social engineering. The media would be the major outlet of such manipulation. Nobody would be allowed to reproduce without a license. Law breakers, people who don't pay the taxes and fees, and politically incorrect people are castrated. Education would be highly regulated, everyone from childhood to collage would be required the necessary conditioning to be a "productive member" of society. Moral integrity is systematically broken down. Morality is immoral. Virgins are looked down upon. Those who tell the truth are liars, and actual liars are righteous. Everyone has to work and continue to work, except the privileged "disabled". Savings would be stealthed away and debt is the only way to stay afloat in the economy. People are punished for what they think, what they ingest, and what they say. Defiant people are sent to man made hells and forbidden to buy or sell anything as their money would be electronically disabled.. There would be nowhere to run or hide, you would have no choice as you are owned by the ruling elite. You must do what you are told to do or suffer the punishments. You would be a cog in a highly organized and controlled machine, unable to think for yourself or do what you want. You would not be a human, but a unit. The science of tyranny is absolute law.
modified on Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:26 PM
What has that got to do with science?
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What has that got to do with science?
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Uh, no it isn't.
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Uh, no it isn't.
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"Moral integrity is systematically broken down. Morality is immoral. Virgins are looked down upon. Those who tell the truth are liars, and actual liars are righteous." There's no scientific basis to this. P = m0v/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) says nothing about how people should live their lives.
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"Moral integrity is systematically broken down. Morality is immoral. Virgins are looked down upon. Those who tell the truth are liars, and actual liars are righteous." There's no scientific basis to this. P = m0v/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) says nothing about how people should live their lives.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
There's no scientific basis to this. P = m0v/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) says nothing about how people should live their lives.
A civilization can be controlled through methods of science. Breaking down moral integrity allows it. a highly immoral civilization is easily manipulated because people loose honest solid connections with others and a sense of what is right and wrong. Only one constant would remain, and that would be the controllers.
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What do you think of a society governed by science and science only? A society so mechanized and organized that it can be viewed as a machine and controlled with variables. Tweaking the variables in the machine would cause a cascade effect effecting every individual. Everyone would be thoroughly cataloged, everything from what they buy, where they drive, where they walk, facial expressions noted using AI that analyzes CCTV footage 24/7. Psychology would certainly be used in the system. The mentality of people would be manipulated with social engineering. The media would be the major outlet of such manipulation. Nobody would be allowed to reproduce without a license. Law breakers, people who don't pay the taxes and fees, and politically incorrect people are castrated. Education would be highly regulated, everyone from childhood to collage would be required the necessary conditioning to be a "productive member" of society. Moral integrity is systematically broken down. Morality is immoral. Virgins are looked down upon. Those who tell the truth are liars, and actual liars are righteous. Everyone has to work and continue to work, except the privileged "disabled". Savings would be stealthed away and debt is the only way to stay afloat in the economy. People are punished for what they think, what they ingest, and what they say. Defiant people are sent to man made hells and forbidden to buy or sell anything as their money would be electronically disabled.. There would be nowhere to run or hide, you would have no choice as you are owned by the ruling elite. You must do what you are told to do or suffer the punishments. You would be a cog in a highly organized and controlled machine, unable to think for yourself or do what you want. You would not be a human, but a unit. The science of tyranny is absolute law.
modified on Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:26 PM
Well, I think you confuse "science" with "fascism" mostly because you're projecting your own feelings of inadequacy when confronted with scientific information, having neither the skills or education to competently challenge empirical evidence that contradicts your existing beliefs.
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Well, I think you confuse "science" with "fascism" mostly because you're projecting your own feelings of inadequacy when confronted with scientific information, having neither the skills or education to competently challenge empirical evidence that contradicts your existing beliefs.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
mostly because you're projecting your own feelings of inadequacy when confronted with scientific information
This is an example of psychological warfare. I understand things quite well, though I may not be able to word my thoughts exactly as I think them. Now I have thought about this quite thoroughly. The human mind is like a sophisticated computer. It has input and output. No matter how intelligent you are your mind is as only as good as what is inputted. If the input is controlled then your mind is controlled.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
There's no scientific basis to this. P = m0v/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) says nothing about how people should live their lives.
A civilization can be controlled through methods of science. Breaking down moral integrity allows it. a highly immoral civilization is easily manipulated because people loose honest solid connections with others and a sense of what is right and wrong. Only one constant would remain, and that would be the controllers.
I've never heard of the ideal gas law being used to control people.
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I've never heard of the ideal gas law being used to control people.
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What about F = GMm/r2? That's far larger than an entire civilisation, plus it genuinely IS 'mechanics'. What about an electron in an atom? It's defined over the entire universe.
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What about F = GMm/r2? That's far larger than an entire civilisation, plus it genuinely IS 'mechanics'. What about an electron in an atom? It's defined over the entire universe.
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Neither the Doppler effect nor hypercytokinaemia have ever been used to manipulate civilisation. What about the theory of plant cells? Has the electron transport chain an inherent evil? What about the science of drip irrigation, or hibernation in small mammals?
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Neither the Doppler effect nor hypercytokinaemia have ever been used to manipulate civilisation. What about the theory of plant cells? Has the electron transport chain an inherent evil? What about the science of drip irrigation, or hibernation in small mammals?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Neither the Doppler effect nor hypercytokinaemia have ever been used to manipulate civilisation. What about the theory of plant cells? Has the electron transport chain an inherent evil? What about the science of drip irrigation, or hibernation in small mammals?
Did I short-circuit your brain or something? Get over it, Here is some good math for you.[^] Its good math, very good. Can you handle good math?
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Neither the Doppler effect nor hypercytokinaemia have ever been used to manipulate civilisation. What about the theory of plant cells? Has the electron transport chain an inherent evil? What about the science of drip irrigation, or hibernation in small mammals?
Did I short-circuit your brain or something? Get over it, Here is some good math for you.[^] Its good math, very good. Can you handle good math?
You wanted science, so you're getting science. For example, ethanol has a nutritional energy density of 30 kJ/g. That doesn't seem like a good way of manipulating a large number of people, does it? Petrichor makes rain smell the way it does. The sky is blue because of Rayleigh scattering, the same reason that your veins appear blue. Liquid O2 is normally light blue, but if you pressurize it enough then it turns red. O2 is also paramagnetic. You can plunge your hand into liquid nitrogen without being frozen because the warmth of your hand creates an insulating layer of nitrogen gas - Leidenfrost effect.
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You wanted science, so you're getting science. For example, ethanol has a nutritional energy density of 30 kJ/g. That doesn't seem like a good way of manipulating a large number of people, does it? Petrichor makes rain smell the way it does. The sky is blue because of Rayleigh scattering, the same reason that your veins appear blue. Liquid O2 is normally light blue, but if you pressurize it enough then it turns red. O2 is also paramagnetic. You can plunge your hand into liquid nitrogen without being frozen because the warmth of your hand creates an insulating layer of nitrogen gas - Leidenfrost effect.
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This thread is apparently about 'tyrannical science', such as Brownian motion or superfluidity.
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What do you think of a society governed by science and science only? A society so mechanized and organized that it can be viewed as a machine and controlled with variables. Tweaking the variables in the machine would cause a cascade effect effecting every individual. Everyone would be thoroughly cataloged, everything from what they buy, where they drive, where they walk, facial expressions noted using AI that analyzes CCTV footage 24/7. Psychology would certainly be used in the system. The mentality of people would be manipulated with social engineering. The media would be the major outlet of such manipulation. Nobody would be allowed to reproduce without a license. Law breakers, people who don't pay the taxes and fees, and politically incorrect people are castrated. Education would be highly regulated, everyone from childhood to collage would be required the necessary conditioning to be a "productive member" of society. Moral integrity is systematically broken down. Morality is immoral. Virgins are looked down upon. Those who tell the truth are liars, and actual liars are righteous. Everyone has to work and continue to work, except the privileged "disabled". Savings would be stealthed away and debt is the only way to stay afloat in the economy. People are punished for what they think, what they ingest, and what they say. Defiant people are sent to man made hells and forbidden to buy or sell anything as their money would be electronically disabled.. There would be nowhere to run or hide, you would have no choice as you are owned by the ruling elite. You must do what you are told to do or suffer the punishments. You would be a cog in a highly organized and controlled machine, unable to think for yourself or do what you want. You would not be a human, but a unit. The science of tyranny is absolute law.
modified on Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:26 PM
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What do you think of a society governed by science and science only? A society so mechanized and organized that it can be viewed as a machine and controlled with variables. Tweaking the variables in the machine would cause a cascade effect effecting every individual. Everyone would be thoroughly cataloged, everything from what they buy, where they drive, where they walk, facial expressions noted using AI that analyzes CCTV footage 24/7. Psychology would certainly be used in the system. The mentality of people would be manipulated with social engineering. The media would be the major outlet of such manipulation. Nobody would be allowed to reproduce without a license. Law breakers, people who don't pay the taxes and fees, and politically incorrect people are castrated. Education would be highly regulated, everyone from childhood to collage would be required the necessary conditioning to be a "productive member" of society. Moral integrity is systematically broken down. Morality is immoral. Virgins are looked down upon. Those who tell the truth are liars, and actual liars are righteous. Everyone has to work and continue to work, except the privileged "disabled". Savings would be stealthed away and debt is the only way to stay afloat in the economy. People are punished for what they think, what they ingest, and what they say. Defiant people are sent to man made hells and forbidden to buy or sell anything as their money would be electronically disabled.. There would be nowhere to run or hide, you would have no choice as you are owned by the ruling elite. You must do what you are told to do or suffer the punishments. You would be a cog in a highly organized and controlled machine, unable to think for yourself or do what you want. You would not be a human, but a unit. The science of tyranny is absolute law.
modified on Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:26 PM
Civilization can only be maintained by two possible agents - religion or drugs. Science would have to provide one or the other.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.