'EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES MUST BE SUBJECTED TO INVENTORY' - Pelosi said! [modified]
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John Carson wrote:
The non-paranoid would interpret Pelosi as saying just that, and there is nothing intrinsically sinister about it.
except that: she said. "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility." flies in the face of the 4th amendment [^]to our Constituition, unless of course she can inventoy every aspect of our lives through mere navel gazing.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
except that: she said. "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility." flies in the face of the 4th amendment [^]to our Constituition, unless of course she can inventoy every aspect of our lives through mere navel gazing.
If by "mere navel gazing" you mean people taking inventory of their own lives, then that is certainly one reasonable interpretation of Pelosi's remarks. Another is that she is talking about scientific studies of a few willing subjects from which population data may be estimated, as per standard scientific practice. The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false.
John Carson
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John Carson wrote:
Is it a stretch to think that a lot of people believe what the scientists tell them?
Unfortunately not.
John Carson wrote:
The non-paranoid would interpret Pelosi as saying just that, and there is nothing intrinsically sinister about it.
Yeah right, government categorizing and inventory of every aspect of our lives. That doesn't require much more of an explanation.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Yeah right, government categorizing and inventory of every aspect of our lives. That doesn't require much more of an explanation.
Yeah, it does. Suppose you are right and Pelosi really does care about what color pajamas you wear, wildly improbable though that is. Surely she would never admit it. She would know it is political poison. Accordingly, it is not reasonable to expect her to admit it, even if it is true. That it is not reasonable to interpret her remarks as an admission. She must have meant something else.
John Carson
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
except that: she said. "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility." flies in the face of the 4th amendment [^]to our Constituition, unless of course she can inventoy every aspect of our lives through mere navel gazing.
If by "mere navel gazing" you mean people taking inventory of their own lives, then that is certainly one reasonable interpretation of Pelosi's remarks. Another is that she is talking about scientific studies of a few willing subjects from which population data may be estimated, as per standard scientific practice. The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false
The gov already monitors communications. You know that don't you?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Yeah right, government categorizing and inventory of every aspect of our lives. That doesn't require much more of an explanation.
Yeah, it does. Suppose you are right and Pelosi really does care about what color pajamas you wear, wildly improbable though that is. Surely she would never admit it. She would know it is political poison. Accordingly, it is not reasonable to expect her to admit it, even if it is true. That it is not reasonable to interpret her remarks as an admission. She must have meant something else.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
She would know it is political poison.
You're with it, she doesn't need to hide it because so many people are with it. Its the transparency O was talking about
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kmg365 wrote:
Any dictator can say "c02 is destroying the planet therefore...", "for the common good, therefore..."
1. Pelosi is not a dictator. She is the duly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives. 2. People can say what they like, but they can't get the scientific community to agree with them (unless they really have a dictatorial power that Pelosi certainly lacks). Having that agreement makes a difference.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
She is the duly elected Speaker
Right she is the speaker. she speaks for them. She tells everyone what they are going to do or want to do.
John Carson wrote:
but they can't get the scientific community to agree with them
If they pay them enough money they can.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
except that: she said. "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility." flies in the face of the 4th amendment [^]to our Constituition, unless of course she can inventoy every aspect of our lives through mere navel gazing.
If by "mere navel gazing" you mean people taking inventory of their own lives, then that is certainly one reasonable interpretation of Pelosi's remarks. Another is that she is talking about scientific studies of a few willing subjects from which population data may be estimated, as per standard scientific practice. The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false.
I would hope you're right.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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John Carson wrote:
The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false.
I would hope you're right.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I would hope you're right.
Right, just sit back and hope the change isn't coming when you have the government telling china its right around the corner.
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John Carson wrote:
She is the duly elected Speaker
Right she is the speaker. she speaks for them. She tells everyone what they are going to do or want to do.
John Carson wrote:
but they can't get the scientific community to agree with them
If they pay them enough money they can.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If they pay them enough money they can.
It's not called payment, but research grants. :suss:
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
except that: she said. "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility." flies in the face of the 4th amendment [^]to our Constituition, unless of course she can inventoy every aspect of our lives through mere navel gazing.
If by "mere navel gazing" you mean people taking inventory of their own lives, then that is certainly one reasonable interpretation of Pelosi's remarks. Another is that she is talking about scientific studies of a few willing subjects from which population data may be estimated, as per standard scientific practice. The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false.
Later, you suggest that she realises that a blatant statement of her intention to gain more knowledge about how everyone in the U.S. lives would be political poison. I agree. CSS makes the mistake of assuming she is as stupid as he is. On the other hand, because her words are subject to interpretation and can be spun as wholly innocuous but do not have to be taken that way AND because we are talking about a far left politician who has already demonstrated that she believes in the government having great power over its citizens, the possibility that she means exactly what Mike thinks she means approaches nine nines, in my estimation.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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kmg365 wrote:
Any dictator can say "c02 is destroying the planet therefore...", "for the common good, therefore..."
1. Pelosi is not a dictator. She is the duly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives. 2. People can say what they like, but they can't get the scientific community to agree with them (unless they really have a dictatorial power that Pelosi certainly lacks). Having that agreement makes a difference.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Pelosi is not a dictator. She is the duly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives
John, "dictator" is latin for "speaker." ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If they pay them enough money they can.
It's not called payment, but research grants. :suss:
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
Brady Kelly wrote:
It's not called payment, but research grants.
I know. The money is good, all they have to do is spin the truth a little bit.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I would hope you're right.
Right, just sit back and hope the change isn't coming when you have the government telling china its right around the corner.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Right, just sit back and hope the change isn't coming when you have the government telling china its right around the corner.
and what are you doing other than posting here? I'm involved locally and nationally via several different groups and efforts to push back against much of the crap that is going on.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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John Carson wrote:
Pelosi is not a dictator. She is the duly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives
John, "dictator" is latin for "speaker." ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
:laugh: Serendipity if ever.
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Right, just sit back and hope the change isn't coming when you have the government telling china its right around the corner.
and what are you doing other than posting here? I'm involved locally and nationally via several different groups and efforts to push back against much of the crap that is going on.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I'm involved locally and nationally via several different groups and efforts to push back against much of the crap that is going on.
So you are a terrorist? j.k
Mike Gaskey wrote:
and what are you doing other than posting here?
Nothing, but I would like to do something.
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John Carson wrote:
The interpretation that she is proposing close monitoring of the daily lives of every resident strikes me as certainly false.
Later, you suggest that she realises that a blatant statement of her intention to gain more knowledge about how everyone in the U.S. lives would be political poison. I agree. CSS makes the mistake of assuming she is as stupid as he is. On the other hand, because her words are subject to interpretation and can be spun as wholly innocuous but do not have to be taken that way AND because we are talking about a far left politician who has already demonstrated that she believes in the government having great power over its citizens, the possibility that she means exactly what Mike thinks she means approaches nine nines, in my estimation.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
about how everyone in the U.S. lives would be political poison. I agree.
What difference does it make? She is poison and she is there.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I'm involved locally and nationally via several different groups and efforts to push back against much of the crap that is going on.
So you are a terrorist? j.k
Mike Gaskey wrote:
and what are you doing other than posting here?
Nothing, but I would like to do something.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you are a terrorist?
nope, just involved.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Nothing, but I would like to do something.
here's your opportunity[^] - read, educate yourself then contact a local representative of this group.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you are a terrorist?
nope, just involved.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Nothing, but I would like to do something.
here's your opportunity[^] - read, educate yourself then contact a local representative of this group.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
here's your opportunity[^] - read, educate yourself then contact a local representative of this group.
It doesn't look that serious. I want to see something that can get media coverage and stage public events. If it doesn't make a splash or poke the bear then it isn't strong enough.
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"I do see this opportunity for climate change to be ... a game-changer," she said at Tsinghua. "It's a place where human rights — looking out for the needs of the poor in terms of climate change and healthy environment — are a human right." So in her definition human rights means welfare for the poor when business and the 'rich' are being screwed by carbon taxes (Cap & Trade and what have you) In answering a question from a student about how Pelosi was going to get Americans to cut back on their carbon emissions, the leading Democratic lawmaker said it was important to educate children on how to conserve energy Which means get children to believe all their lies and bullshit. "We have so much room for improvement," she said. "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility." This makes my NWO conspiracy sound real to non-believers doesn't it? Think about how 20 years from now technology will be used against us. We probably don't have to wait that long. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hLcZ2jQ4mu4rd7XlB3hetiVn1qbAD98F32AG0[^]
modified on Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:36 AM
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So in her definition human rights means welfare for the poor when business and the 'rich' are being screwed by carbon taxes (Cap & Trade and what have you)
Human rights generally means protecting the poor from the ravages of the rich. What rights do the rich need defended ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Which means get children to believe all their lies and bullsh*t.
It means getting the US to stop being the main cause of wasted resources on the earth.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This makes my NWO conspiracy sound real to non-believers doesn't it?
Not even remotely.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So in her definition human rights means welfare for the poor when business and the 'rich' are being screwed by carbon taxes (Cap & Trade and what have you)
Human rights generally means protecting the poor from the ravages of the rich. What rights do the rich need defended ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Which means get children to believe all their lies and bullsh*t.
It means getting the US to stop being the main cause of wasted resources on the earth.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This makes my NWO conspiracy sound real to non-believers doesn't it?
Not even remotely.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
Christian Graus wrote:
Human rights generally means protecting the poor from the ravages of the rich.
That's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard all fucking day goddammit. You are so fucked up, you don't even have a working brain. You are fucking dead minded moron. I want to see you beaten and dominated. :mad:
Christian Graus wrote:
It means getting the US to stop being the main cause of wasted resources on the earth.
You are the waste of mankind. You deserve to be thrown in the FURNACE! :mad:
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John Carson wrote:
She would know it is political poison.
You're with it, she doesn't need to hide it because so many people are with it. Its the transparency O was talking about
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You're with it, she doesn't need to hide it because so many people are with it.
I'm not and I don't think many people are. I am in favour of policies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but I don't see that that requires significant monitoring of households beyond what is already taking place (e.g., electricity companies already know how much electricity you use, and bill you accordingly; with carbon trading, the price of electricity will go up and so you'll pay more).
John Carson