The End of an Era
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Secession - its the only answer.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Secession - its the only answer.
Not if the question is "Do you like corn dogs?" It may indeed come to that and the U.S. make fall apart as the Roman Empire did. But it's not all a bed of roses: after secession comes Aztlan. And Indiana would have to hire its own Narcs.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Secession - its the only answer.
Not if the question is "Do you like corn dogs?" It may indeed come to that and the U.S. make fall apart as the Roman Empire did. But it's not all a bed of roses: after secession comes Aztlan. And Indiana would have to hire its own Narcs.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
It may indeed come to that and the U.S. make fall apart as the Roman Empire did. But it's not all a bed of roses: after secession comes Aztlan. And Indiana would have to hire its own Narcs.
Yeah, but I was considering a scenario where the entire country simply secedes from Washington, D.C. Let the people who actually borrowed all the money and bought all the failed companies deal with China. The rest of us will just go about our business.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
It may indeed come to that and the U.S. make fall apart as the Roman Empire did. But it's not all a bed of roses: after secession comes Aztlan. And Indiana would have to hire its own Narcs.
Yeah, but I was considering a scenario where the entire country simply secedes from Washington, D.C. Let the people who actually borrowed all the money and bought all the failed companies deal with China. The rest of us will just go about our business.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
I think that's called revolution. Although I am sure that Obama would label it a rebellion as swiftly as Lincoln did.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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kmg365 wrote:
wonder what the long term effect on society is as "the people" realize contracts and laws are just guidelines but not to be taken too seriously?
There will, for starters, be bigger and bigger penalties for non performance, and more and more lawyers to prove that the contract was null and void the day before it was signed. Marriages will come and go even more frequently than they do now, and prenupts will be SOP and there will more and more lawyers to prove the marriage was null and void the day before it was contracted. More and more deadbeat dads not paying child support and more and more deadbeats ignoring the ever growing population of bill collectors. More and more soldiers wanting to resign just before they're sent into battle for the first time, and more and more colleges letting their classes be run by grad students while their professors drink sherry. Here on CP, more and more members will ignore the terms of service, and every reg will retreat to the Back Room because newbies don't know how to get here. Then they'll all start whining about all our religion and politics posts.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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GM filed for bankruptcy today. A lot of good men will lose their jobs in the coming weeks, either because they worked directly for GM or one of it's suppliers, or dealers. Its even possible that a small fraction of senior management may find themselves pounding the pavement. It seems to me that this is the culmination of the de-industrialization of America. For quite some time now, we've been bleeding jobs and industrial capacity and we're hurting on the former and just about out of the latter. Any student of WWII will tell you that it was the American Industrial capacity that tipped the war in favor of the allies. Our warriors were brave and smart and we could field an army big enough to stand up to the massed might of mittle Europa. But we won because we built tanks, plans, bombs, guns, cannons and ships with astounding speed. We couldn't do that today. We could reinstitute the draft if we had to, and ration supplies, but an industrial capacity that - according to what I heard this morning provided 33% of the jobs in this country during the 90's and now provides 15%, cannot be restored by a wave of Obama's magic wand. And you'd better believe that the rest of the world knows it. This government-aided and -abetted bankruptcy also stands as a poster child for the a-contract-is-just-a-piece=of-paper thinking that permeates our society. Stock is a contract - but your GM stock is not only worthless due to bad management, but by the government announcing that it is canceling your stock and taking over its own. Labor contracts are worthless in a bankruptcy and any negotiations between the labor force and management will resemble 1908, not 2008. Dealers who invested hundreds of thousands dollars because they had a contract with GM (hey get in on the ground floor with a dealership in Saturn!) are being dumped without recourse. Meanwhile over at Ford which faced the same market pressures as Chrysler and GM is royally fracked. It's two competitors are getting all kids of breaks that it won't get for no other reason than it made intelligent business decisions while GM and Chrysler were busy shooting themselves in the feet.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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While, fomr an isolationist point of view, it is easy to agree with you, is this not just an instance of the world becoming one big system?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
is this not just an instance of the world becoming one big system?
As long as that system is dependent on slavery and mass pollution to provide the modern equivalent of bread and circuses to the rest, I, personally, would hope that the u.S. would opt out.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin