Second Ammendment of Constitution Does not apply In Chicago, says court! [modified]
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I wonder how many handguns there are in Chicogo, I bet there are plenty to go around. Christian Graus on the other hand would like to see us be forced to have electronic fingerprint activated firing mechanisms with a central remote disabler.
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See, the members of the court of appeals must have all gone to public schools because they certainly cannot read: the Second Amendment reads in its entirety: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Why precisely the 13th?
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Why precisely the 13th?
Le Centriste wrote:
Why precisely the 13th?
Because US fought a war over that amendment and it's local nullification would be too onerous to contemplate, there for making a great counter example and to demonstrate the point; Picking and choosing which laws you were going to follow, use not to be optional.
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Le Centriste wrote:
Why precisely the 13th?
Because US fought a war over that amendment and it's local nullification would be too onerous to contemplate, there for making a great counter example and to demonstrate the point; Picking and choosing which laws you were going to follow, use not to be optional.
Thanks for the answer. I am always trying to educate myself more in the way Americans think.
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See, the members of the court of appeals must have all gone to public schools because they certainly cannot read: the Second Amendment reads in its entirety: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
the Second Amendment reads in its entirety: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
I think they may have decided that Illinois is not a free state. I was under the impression that Appomattox settled that, but maybe my perspective is too historical? It appears, at any rate that this particular court believes that the citizens of Illinois and specifically of Chicago are land serfs, whose law is whatever their masters say it is. I could understand - if not agree with - the argument that the various levels of government have a second amendment right to regulate the militia (which was pretty much every one who owned a gun back when the Constitution was written) but to simply announce that the 14th amendment doesn't apply opens up a can of worms that I am not sure anyone will be happy dealing with. I can't imagine that the Supreme Court could do anything but rip this decision apart and Alioto rip those three judges a new one.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Le Centriste wrote:
Why precisely the 13th?
Because US fought a war over that amendment and it's local nullification would be too onerous to contemplate, there for making a great counter example and to demonstrate the point; Picking and choosing which laws you were going to follow, use not to be optional.
kmg365 wrote:
Because US fought a war over that amendment and it's local nullification would be too onerous to contemplate, there for making a great counter example and to demonstrate the point;
Perhaps even more importantly, the 14th amendment requires all states to provide to their citizens all of the rights guaranteed by the constitution. This was added in the days of reconstruction when the South was of a mind to say to their freed slaves: Okay, you're free. But that doesn't make you a person, or grant you any rights as a person of citizen of this state.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Thanks for the answer. I am always trying to educate myself more in the way Americans think.
Le Centriste wrote:
I am always trying to educate myself more in the way Americans think.
if you're interested in a broad brush view, give a thought to reading a book, "The 5000 Year Leap". it has been in print for nearly 30 years. The 5000 Year Leap: A Miracle That Changed the World. For many years in the United States there has been a gradual drifting away from the Founding Fathers original success formula. This has resulted in some of their most unique contributions for a free and prosperous society becoming lost or misunderstood. Therefore, there has been a need to review the history and development of the making of America in order to recapture the brilliant precepts which made Americans the first free people in modern times. In this book, discover the 28 Principles of Freedom our Founding Fathers said must be understood and perpetuated by every people who desire peace, prosperity, and freedom. Learn how adherence to these beliefs during the past 200 years has brought about more progress than was made in the previous 5000 years. Published by National Center for Constitutional Studies, a non-profit organization.[^] another good one, more recent vintage and specifically with a conservative view point and an exhaustive sourcing for the various points made: Conservative talk radio's fastest-growing superstar is also a New York Times bestselling phenomenon: the author of the groundbreaking critique of the Supreme Court, Men in Black, and the deeply personal dog lover's memoir Rescuing Sprite, Mark R. Levin now delivers the book that characterizes both his devotion to his more than 5 million listeners and his love of our country and the legacy of our Founding Fathers: Liberty and Tyranny is Mark R. Levin's clarion call to conservative America, a new manifesto for the conservative movement for the 21st century. In the face of the modern liberal assault on Constitution-based values, an attack that has steadily snowballed since President Roosevelt's New Deal of the 1930s and resulted in a federal government that is a massive, una
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
the Second Amendment reads in its entirety: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
I think they may have decided that Illinois is not a free state. I was under the impression that Appomattox settled that, but maybe my perspective is too historical? It appears, at any rate that this particular court believes that the citizens of Illinois and specifically of Chicago are land serfs, whose law is whatever their masters say it is. I could understand - if not agree with - the argument that the various levels of government have a second amendment right to regulate the militia (which was pretty much every one who owned a gun back when the Constitution was written) but to simply announce that the 14th amendment doesn't apply opens up a can of worms that I am not sure anyone will be happy dealing with. I can't imagine that the Supreme Court could do anything but rip this decision apart and Alioto rip those three judges a new one.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
I can't imagine that the Supreme Court could do anything but rip this decision apart and Alioto rip those three judges a new one.
if that doesn't happen, the slide to another form of government will be complete making militia enlistment pretty much a must do for citizens.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Le Centriste wrote:
I am always trying to educate myself more in the way Americans think.
if you're interested in a broad brush view, give a thought to reading a book, "The 5000 Year Leap". it has been in print for nearly 30 years. The 5000 Year Leap: A Miracle That Changed the World. For many years in the United States there has been a gradual drifting away from the Founding Fathers original success formula. This has resulted in some of their most unique contributions for a free and prosperous society becoming lost or misunderstood. Therefore, there has been a need to review the history and development of the making of America in order to recapture the brilliant precepts which made Americans the first free people in modern times. In this book, discover the 28 Principles of Freedom our Founding Fathers said must be understood and perpetuated by every people who desire peace, prosperity, and freedom. Learn how adherence to these beliefs during the past 200 years has brought about more progress than was made in the previous 5000 years. Published by National Center for Constitutional Studies, a non-profit organization.[^] another good one, more recent vintage and specifically with a conservative view point and an exhaustive sourcing for the various points made: Conservative talk radio's fastest-growing superstar is also a New York Times bestselling phenomenon: the author of the groundbreaking critique of the Supreme Court, Men in Black, and the deeply personal dog lover's memoir Rescuing Sprite, Mark R. Levin now delivers the book that characterizes both his devotion to his more than 5 million listeners and his love of our country and the legacy of our Founding Fathers: Liberty and Tyranny is Mark R. Levin's clarion call to conservative America, a new manifesto for the conservative movement for the 21st century. In the face of the modern liberal assault on Constitution-based values, an attack that has steadily snowballed since President Roosevelt's New Deal of the 1930s and resulted in a federal government that is a massive, una
Reading about the U.S. history and founding principles is surely a good start!
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kmg365 wrote:
Because US fought a war over that amendment and it's local nullification would be too onerous to contemplate, there for making a great counter example and to demonstrate the point;
Perhaps even more importantly, the 14th amendment requires all states to provide to their citizens all of the rights guaranteed by the constitution. This was added in the days of reconstruction when the South was of a mind to say to their freed slaves: Okay, you're free. But that doesn't make you a person, or grant you any rights as a person of citizen of this state.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Good point. Which makes me think that maybe we need an Immancipation Creation Proclamation for unborn babies. And who knows, in a couple of years we may need another one for conservatives, (a Conservation Proclamation?), but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. ;P
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Good point. Which makes me think that maybe we need an Immancipation Creation Proclamation for unborn babies. And who knows, in a couple of years we may need another one for conservatives, (a Conservation Proclamation?), but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. ;P
Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.
BoneSoft wrote:
we may need another one for conservatives,
True conservatives (the kind that conserve and serve) are already on the endangered species list.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
I can't imagine that the Supreme Court could do anything but rip this decision apart and Alioto rip those three judges a new one.
if that doesn't happen, the slide to another form of government will be complete making militia enlistment pretty much a must do for citizens.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
if that doesn't happen, the slide to another form of government will be complete making militia enlistment pretty much a must do for citizens
Hey, what a great idea. We could web-form the 1024th Brigade of IT irregulars: "the Kilobyte Killers!"
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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BoneSoft wrote:
we may need another one for conservatives,
True conservatives (the kind that conserve and serve) are already on the endangered species list.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Touche. Actually, there are tons of true conservatives around. Problem is none of them choose to run for office or none can make it very far when they try. :sigh: I think you have to be a filthy corrupt bastard by necessity to make it in politics.
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Whilst browsing I came across a collection of statements specific to the 2nd Amendment that you might find interesting. Includes Founders as well as a few others. the link[^]
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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See, the members of the court of appeals must have all gone to public schools because they certainly cannot read: the Second Amendment reads in its entirety: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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See, the members of the court of appeals must have all gone to public schools because they certainly cannot read: the Second Amendment reads in its entirety: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Than why was Wyatt Earp able to do exactly the same thing and it never became a constitutional issue? I'm pretty sure those ol' cowboys were more attached to their firearms than anyone around today is.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I wonder how many handguns there are in Chicogo, I bet there are plenty to go around. Christian Graus on the other hand would like to see us be forced to have electronic fingerprint activated firing mechanisms with a central remote disabler.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Christian Graus on the other hand would like to see us be forced to have electronic fingerprint activated firing mechanisms with a central remote disabler.
You moron.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Christian Graus on the other hand would like to see us be forced to have electronic fingerprint activated firing mechanisms with a central remote disabler.
You moron.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums.
Christian Graus wrote:
You moron.
Woah, this debate is too intelligent for me to handle. :rolleyes: