Collectivism : Why We Need It
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Preserving nature is the utmost priority.
No, living in a sustainable way, is. The energy needed to ship food to large cities is a big problem. You need to stop thinking in terms of sci fi movies.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Public transport, human monitoring, and effeciant use of space is why we must collectivize into big cities.
I work from home. Outside my window, I can see food growing. I use no form of transport most of the time. I use my space efficiently, although our house is quite large, we grow a lot of food here. Human monitoring does nothing to solve the problem, and is obviously unacceptable. It's just part of the fantasy you're trying to claim that I support.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums.
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BS. From what I recall you do a lot of travelling in the US. How do you fuel your transport? With carrots from your garden? It is a well known fact that rural living has a much higher CO2 consumption than urban living.
Haakon S. wrote:
From what I recall you do a lot of travelling in the US.
Yeah, I do.
Haakon S. wrote:
How do you fuel your transport? With carrots from your garden?
LOL - obviously the part of my lifestyle where I travel to the US is far from carbon neutral. But, that's the reality of life today. I mean, I am talking about my ability to survive in the world that CSS is predicting, and it's far better for not living in a big city. Obviously in his bleak future, I would no longer be working, nor would I travel to the US.
Haakon S. wrote:
It is a well known fact that rural living has a much higher CO2 consumption than urban living.
Well, yes, if you factor in things like having to travel a long way to get to resources, etc. However, I actually live within five minutes of where I shop, most people in the US drive further than I do to buy groceries, at least in my experience ( which amounts to all corners of the country FWIW ). So, I call BS on that one. If I don't need to drive, then the only way I produce CO2 is through raising animals for meat, and assuming that humans continue to eat, raising it on the property where it gets eaten is as close to carbon neutral as it gets. Not to mention all the CO2 that my fruit trees, and the forest at the back of my property, consumes.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The only reason you deny its existence is because you really don't want it.
Yeah, that must be it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People are so stupid they would march right into it and not even realize it. Few people are actually informed. Ignorance is widespread.
Yes, in my experience, people who go for conspiracy theories are failures at life, and so console themselves that everyone else is 'weak' and 'stupid' to not see what is going on before them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Remember the georgia guidstones?
Remember how you couldn't explain why their existance proves *anything* about an actual conspiracy to achieve those things ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
wind and solar
Wrong. We have an infinite supply of those things, at least on the human timescale, so long as there are a lot less people, otherwise, it just does not scale.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Metals don't go anywhere.
Well, actually they do rust ( some of them ).
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Food can always be grown
Wrong. Overfarming causes land to become unproductive. The deserts are expanding. The amount of land we have to grow food on, is shrinking
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
fish are always in the sea
Also wrong. Overfishing is destroying food stocks.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It takes a long time to develop, but we are almost theirs.
You just don't get it, do you ? People have been saying this for EVER. It was BS then, and it's BS now. The end is nigh. We got it wrong before, so this time you HAVE to believe us.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums.
Look. I'm not going to sit here are go around in circles. I'm not going to try to untie the knots you tied in your head, the only way you have a chance at waking up is if you open your mind a little bit. Think it through. I guess the only way that will ever happen is if it becomes of interest to you, which it is not. I have looked at both sides of the story, I've tried to view all your utopia crap the way you do and I get it. It takes a diverse mindset to come to the correct conclusion, it is a mindset you can never have because you do not have my extensive visualization and empathy skills. I promise you my mind is sharper than yours in those regards. You can't even begin to imagine what I can. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason.
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Look. I'm not going to sit here are go around in circles. I'm not going to try to untie the knots you tied in your head, the only way you have a chance at waking up is if you open your mind a little bit. Think it through. I guess the only way that will ever happen is if it becomes of interest to you, which it is not. I have looked at both sides of the story, I've tried to view all your utopia crap the way you do and I get it. It takes a diverse mindset to come to the correct conclusion, it is a mindset you can never have because you do not have my extensive visualization and empathy skills. I promise you my mind is sharper than yours in those regards. You can't even begin to imagine what I can. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
the only way you have a chance at waking up is if you open your mind a little bit.
It's possible that in 20 years time, you will wake up. I realise your complete lack of life experience is the issue here.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
it is a mindset you can never have because you do not have my extensive visualization and empathy skills.
Yes, we proved your empathy recently. People in the third world are just lazy, right ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I promise you my mind is sharper than yours in those regards
I'm sure you think so.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google.
Welcome to my sig.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Earth 2100[^] was an inspirational piece of work. We are all in this together and we need to implement a stronger bond between societies around the world. We need an international body to regulate climate and resource controls and establish unity among the people of the world. In order to be safe from extremist groups, we need to be chipped from birth with a radio frequency ID chip paired with smart city technology. To preserve nature we need to collectivize within large cities. Our cities must have an intelligent networked grid that will monitor every human movement and identify every person. We need a cashless society where our RFIDs act as our credit cards. Let these stones be our guide.[^]
What we need is to stop giving to charity and stop handing out drugs. If the people who are killing us and trying to change our lifestyle do what nature intended, ie die, because of their practises then that is evolution. By pandering to the liberal left and trying to allow everybody their rights then we are all going to die. Let those who wish to lead a different life do so, but why should we pay for it? A society is a bunch of like-minded individuals, those who do not think as we do cannot be part of our soiciety.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
the only way you have a chance at waking up is if you open your mind a little bit.
It's possible that in 20 years time, you will wake up. I realise your complete lack of life experience is the issue here.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
it is a mindset you can never have because you do not have my extensive visualization and empathy skills.
Yes, we proved your empathy recently. People in the third world are just lazy, right ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I promise you my mind is sharper than yours in those regards
I'm sure you think so.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google.
Welcome to my sig.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
;P Best quote ever. Actually, the second best, after: "You can verify them to be true by the fact that I have said them." - Ilíon[^]
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Earth 2100[^] was an inspirational piece of work. We are all in this together and we need to implement a stronger bond between societies around the world. We need an international body to regulate climate and resource controls and establish unity among the people of the world. In order to be safe from extremist groups, we need to be chipped from birth with a radio frequency ID chip paired with smart city technology. To preserve nature we need to collectivize within large cities. Our cities must have an intelligent networked grid that will monitor every human movement and identify every person. We need a cashless society where our RFIDs act as our credit cards. Let these stones be our guide.[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We need an international body to regulate climate and resource controls and establish unity among the people of the world.
Its called the UN, and its a joke. Incompetent, innefective, corrupt and self serving. Lies and hype Aids to Global Warming, to a complete inability to act in Bosnia, Ruwanda, Nigeria, Iraq, etc etc etc.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
To preserve nature we need to collectivize within large cities
Man is part of nature. As much a part of nature as any other animal that builds houses and hunts and has the 'right' to live anywhere. Additionally, many of his actions accidentially benefit other species: From burning fossil fuels and putting back in the air CO2 that was once there thus increasing plant growth globally, to providing corridors or wildeness along motorways and trains alowing the movement and prosperity of animals.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
;P Best quote ever. Actually, the second best, after: "You can verify them to be true by the fact that I have said them." - Ilíon[^]
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
"You can verify them to be true by the fact that I have said them."
Wow - I am sorry I missed that one. I am reading a book on schizophrenia, and CSS honestly has enough of the markers that I think a diagnosis is probable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
"You can verify them to be true by the fact that I have said them."
Wow - I am sorry I missed that one. I am reading a book on schizophrenia, and CSS honestly has enough of the markers that I think a diagnosis is probable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
Wow - I am sorry I missed that one.
I'm glad I bookmarked it - I decided a while ago that he was a pathological narcissist, and this neatly sums up his entire behaviour.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am reading a book on schizophrenia, and CSS honestly has enough of the markers that I think a diagnosis is probable.
Haha, yeah, probably.
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ROTFL. I do recall doing this to you the other day, and I got a laugh out of your giving back what you got.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. To preserve nature we need to collectivize within large cities.
Large cities are the core of our problem. That's why I am more likely to surive than you are.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums.
Christian Graus wrote:
ROTFL. I do recall doing this to you the other day, and I got a laugh out of your giving back what you got.
The only part of the statement even remotely a surprise is the verb of the second part.
Christian Graus wrote:
Large cities are the core of our problem. That's why I am more likely to surive than you are.
I see that someone wasn't paying attention the other day to the "Connections" videos I linked to -- should modern technological civilization collapse, the only human beings with a reasonable chance of survival are those human beings who are less integrated into modern technological civilization; the more primitive and remote a society, the greater the chances its members will susvive such a collapse.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
"You can verify them to be true by the fact that I have said them."
Wow - I am sorry I missed that one. I am reading a book on schizophrenia, and CSS honestly has enough of the markers that I think a diagnosis is probable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
I have a schizophrenic friend who, although 'in remission', is still a conspiracy believer.
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
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I have a schizophrenic friend who, although 'in remission', is still a conspiracy believer.
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
Brady Kelly wrote:
I have a schizophrenic friend who, although 'in remission', is still a conspiracy believer.
Yeah, the belief in conspiracies is a definite marker, but it's not the only one.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Christian Graus wrote:
ROTFL. I do recall doing this to you the other day, and I got a laugh out of your giving back what you got.
The only part of the statement even remotely a surprise is the verb of the second part.
Christian Graus wrote:
Large cities are the core of our problem. That's why I am more likely to surive than you are.
I see that someone wasn't paying attention the other day to the "Connections" videos I linked to -- should modern technological civilization collapse, the only human beings with a reasonable chance of survival are those human beings who are less integrated into modern technological civilization; the more primitive and remote a society, the greater the chances its members will susvive such a collapse.
Ilíon wrote:
The only part of the statement even remotely a surprise is the verb of the second part.
What the hell are you talking about ?
Ilíon wrote:
I see that someone wasn't paying attention the other day to the "Connections" videos I linked to
How surprising. You're both illiterate, and you suffer the grandiose belief that just because you post a link, we all look at it.
Ilíon wrote:
should modern technological civilization collapse, the only human beings with a reasonable chance of survival are those human beings who are less integrated into modern technological civilization; the more primitive and remote a society, the greater the chances its members will susvive such a collapse.
So, I don't live in a big city, I live in a rural area. And I said that as this is the case, and as I and those around me are in a position to grow our own food ( in fact, there are many commercial farms within walking distance of where I live ), that means I stand a better chance of survival than someone who lives in the big city, so therefore I didn't pay attention to your video, because I am MORE integrated into modern technology than CSS, who lives in either Dayton, or Columbus ( I forget which ) ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
the only way you have a chance at waking up is if you open your mind a little bit.
It's possible that in 20 years time, you will wake up. I realise your complete lack of life experience is the issue here.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
it is a mindset you can never have because you do not have my extensive visualization and empathy skills.
Yes, we proved your empathy recently. People in the third world are just lazy, right ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I promise you my mind is sharper than yours in those regards
I'm sure you think so.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google.
Welcome to my sig.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
Welcome to my sig.
The scarey part is that he means it. He's one step from really wearing aluminum foil on his head and putting long fantasies about what he wants to do to the President on the internet. The guy is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Ilíon wrote:
The only part of the statement even remotely a surprise is the verb of the second part.
What the hell are you talking about ?
Ilíon wrote:
I see that someone wasn't paying attention the other day to the "Connections" videos I linked to
How surprising. You're both illiterate, and you suffer the grandiose belief that just because you post a link, we all look at it.
Ilíon wrote:
should modern technological civilization collapse, the only human beings with a reasonable chance of survival are those human beings who are less integrated into modern technological civilization; the more primitive and remote a society, the greater the chances its members will susvive such a collapse.
So, I don't live in a big city, I live in a rural area. And I said that as this is the case, and as I and those around me are in a position to grow our own food ( in fact, there are many commercial farms within walking distance of where I live ), that means I stand a better chance of survival than someone who lives in the big city, so therefore I didn't pay attention to your video, because I am MORE integrated into modern technology than CSS, who lives in either Dayton, or Columbus ( I forget which ) ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
Dayton, or Columbus ( I forget which ) ?
Englewood was his last known address - it's near Dayton.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We need an international body to regulate climate and resource controls and establish unity among the people of the world.
Its called the UN, and its a joke. Incompetent, innefective, corrupt and self serving. Lies and hype Aids to Global Warming, to a complete inability to act in Bosnia, Ruwanda, Nigeria, Iraq, etc etc etc.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
To preserve nature we need to collectivize within large cities
Man is part of nature. As much a part of nature as any other animal that builds houses and hunts and has the 'right' to live anywhere. Additionally, many of his actions accidentially benefit other species: From burning fossil fuels and putting back in the air CO2 that was once there thus increasing plant growth globally, to providing corridors or wildeness along motorways and trains alowing the movement and prosperity of animals.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Maybe you know the answer. I watched a special yesterday on the rise of the giant reptiles. The reason that these species grew so large, it was said, was because of the warm - and therefore friendly - climate. Now I understand that the GW theorists point out that if they are right and the seas do rise, folks in a lot of cities are going to have to learn how to swim to work and that isn't good for civilization as we know it. But this time around - in spite of all the additional water, the heat is supposed to bring nothing but deserts and therefore famines. I googled a bit, but found no answer. It appears that the alarmists are simply stating as a fact that additional heat = desert !rainforest. Is that your perception?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Maybe you know the answer. I watched a special yesterday on the rise of the giant reptiles. The reason that these species grew so large, it was said, was because of the warm - and therefore friendly - climate. Now I understand that the GW theorists point out that if they are right and the seas do rise, folks in a lot of cities are going to have to learn how to swim to work and that isn't good for civilization as we know it. But this time around - in spite of all the additional water, the heat is supposed to bring nothing but deserts and therefore famines. I googled a bit, but found no answer. It appears that the alarmists are simply stating as a fact that additional heat = desert !rainforest. Is that your perception?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Now I understand that the GW theorists point out that if they are right and the seas do rise, folks in a lot of cities are going to have to learn how to swim to work and that isn't good for civilization as we know it. But this time around - in spite of all the additional water, the heat is supposed to bring nothing but deserts and therefore famines. I googled a bit, but found no answer. It appears that the alarmists are simply stating as a fact that additional heat = desert !rainforest. Is that your perception?
Maybe it's a matter of knowing that something crappy is going to happen, without knowing what exactly that crappy thing is. Like skydiving into an ocean - you won't know beforehand whether it'll be the impact or drowning that'll kill you, but you know that you're going to die. (OK, that's probably a really lousy analogy.)
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Oakman wrote:
Now I understand that the GW theorists point out that if they are right and the seas do rise, folks in a lot of cities are going to have to learn how to swim to work and that isn't good for civilization as we know it. But this time around - in spite of all the additional water, the heat is supposed to bring nothing but deserts and therefore famines. I googled a bit, but found no answer. It appears that the alarmists are simply stating as a fact that additional heat = desert !rainforest. Is that your perception?
Maybe it's a matter of knowing that something crappy is going to happen, without knowing what exactly that crappy thing is. Like skydiving into an ocean - you won't know beforehand whether it'll be the impact or drowning that'll kill you, but you know that you're going to die. (OK, that's probably a really lousy analogy.)
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
OK, that's probably a really lousy analogy
Yep, Among other things, most folks have some experience with the sea. I am unaware of anyone who has experience the kind of dramatic climate shift being predicted.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
OK, that's probably a really lousy analogy
Yep, Among other things, most folks have some experience with the sea. I am unaware of anyone who has experience the kind of dramatic climate shift being predicted.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Yep, Among other things, most folks have some experience with the sea. I am unaware of anyone who has experience the kind of dramatic climate shift being predicted.
That, um, wasn't exactly the point I was trying to make with the analogy. Isn't that the whole idea of an analogy? To explain something unrelatable by comparing it with something relatable?
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Ilíon wrote:
The only part of the statement even remotely a surprise is the verb of the second part.
What the hell are you talking about ?
Ilíon wrote:
I see that someone wasn't paying attention the other day to the "Connections" videos I linked to
How surprising. You're both illiterate, and you suffer the grandiose belief that just because you post a link, we all look at it.
Ilíon wrote:
should modern technological civilization collapse, the only human beings with a reasonable chance of survival are those human beings who are less integrated into modern technological civilization; the more primitive and remote a society, the greater the chances its members will susvive such a collapse.
So, I don't live in a big city, I live in a rural area. And I said that as this is the case, and as I and those around me are in a position to grow our own food ( in fact, there are many commercial farms within walking distance of where I live ), that means I stand a better chance of survival than someone who lives in the big city, so therefore I didn't pay attention to your video, because I am MORE integrated into modern technology than CSS, who lives in either Dayton, or Columbus ( I forget which ) ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
How surprising. You're both illiterate, and you suffer the grandiose belief that just because you post a link, we all look at it.
And you're a fool. But, there is by now no surprise in that.
Christian Graus wrote:
So, I don't live in a big city, I live in a rural area. And I said that as this is the case, and as I and those around me are in a position to grow our own food ( in fact, there are many commercial farms within walking distance of where I live ), that means I stand a better chance of survival than someone who lives in the big city, so therefore I didn't pay attention to your video, because I am MORE integrated into modern technology than CSS
You're a willfully ignorant fool; you will no more survive a collapse of modern technological society than I will.