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Oakman wrote:
Perhaps we three should reconsider our hands-off moderation?
I don't know about you, but I've been a toothless moderator in name only form the beginning. The most I could do is bitch to the owner, and I see little point in that anymore. I think he wanted this to be Ilion's private playground and CSS' dump. The lounge is mostly insipid, SoapBox2 a wasteland, and the programming forums homework and rent-a-coder help city. Now that they've added blogs and snippets to the articles, I don't even find myself inspired to review/approve stuff anymore. A sad, sad state of affairs.
Apparently he did not intend for us to be toothless lions http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3073869/Re-Back-Room-Moderation.aspx[^]
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Rob Graham wrote:
This has driven me away from the GOP (into the arms of the Libertarians, at least for now)
I've started to think that I may be more Libertarian than before. I think the Republicans have started leaning more toward thinking government is the solution on some issues, mainly religious issues (abortion, gay marriage). While I support the ideas, and understand the stance, I'm starting realize that they want more laws to dictate what they feel is right. Which I don't dismiss immediately, but think that it should be analyzed a little deeper with the size of government in mind. And as for Bush, there were plenty of valid issues. But with the kind of shrieking we constantly heard from the left, I suppose many of us were all but forced to be defensive. But anyway, the point is I hear ya.
Rob Graham wrote:
This country has so many problems in dire need of solution
Like immigration and immigration and... what's that other one... Oh yeah, immigration! There is a laundry list of issues that all would be helped by fixing immigration. Health care, unemployment, etc. Yeah, the social issues should not be at the top of the queue at this point.
Rob Graham wrote:
I don't think of righty or lefty as "dirty names"
Oh no, I'm talking about genuine bile slinging. Not to name names like Carson and Craig but... :laugh: (see, that's funny cuz I named names)
Rob Graham wrote:
'm as tired of the name calling and personality politics as anyone, perhaps that's why Ilion and CSS bug me as much as they do. We used to be able to have some good discussions around here, but that seems to have decayed noticeably.
Again, I hear ya. It's hard for people in general to handle disagreement without taking it personal.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I've started to think that I may be more Libertarian than before
The good news is that there is no such thing as a definition of the complete libertarian. To my mind anyone who believes that personal responsiblity should be one or the basic tenant of a society is at least a little bit libertarian. Throw in a willingness to say, 'whoops, I was wrong about. . ." and you've got someone I can really enjoy talking with and debating - even if we disagree on almost everything else.
BoneSoft wrote:
Like immigration and immigration and
Illegal immigration is a hot button for me - along with its brother, outsourcing - but I have to say that I think the long-term problems we face financially (and what that could mean about confrontation with China), and the threat of nuclear war being started by North Korea, Israel, Iran, or Pakistan dwarf my concerns about a giant economy sized box of other issue including the illegals.
BoneSoft wrote:
It's hard for people in general to handle disagreement without taking it personal
Disagreement is easy to handle in my so very humble opinion, it's the lack of respect evidenced both in the world of politics and in here that gets the nastiness flowing. One basic definition that seems to fit our trolls is that they evidence great disrespect for other people ideas and beliefs. It becomes so easy to respond to them in kind that the only thing that I can do is simply ignore them all.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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BoneSoft wrote:
I've started to think that I may be more Libertarian than before
The good news is that there is no such thing as a definition of the complete libertarian. To my mind anyone who believes that personal responsiblity should be one or the basic tenant of a society is at least a little bit libertarian. Throw in a willingness to say, 'whoops, I was wrong about. . ." and you've got someone I can really enjoy talking with and debating - even if we disagree on almost everything else.
BoneSoft wrote:
Like immigration and immigration and
Illegal immigration is a hot button for me - along with its brother, outsourcing - but I have to say that I think the long-term problems we face financially (and what that could mean about confrontation with China), and the threat of nuclear war being started by North Korea, Israel, Iran, or Pakistan dwarf my concerns about a giant economy sized box of other issue including the illegals.
BoneSoft wrote:
It's hard for people in general to handle disagreement without taking it personal
Disagreement is easy to handle in my so very humble opinion, it's the lack of respect evidenced both in the world of politics and in here that gets the nastiness flowing. One basic definition that seems to fit our trolls is that they evidence great disrespect for other people ideas and beliefs. It becomes so easy to respond to them in kind that the only thing that I can do is simply ignore them all.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
To my mind anyone who believes that personal responsiblity should be one or the basic tenant of a society is at least a little bit libertarian. Throw in a willingness to say, 'whoops, I was wrong about. . ." and you've got someone I can really enjoy talking with and debating -
Jon, you are by far the most intellectually dishonest person on this board. The mere fact that you reserve to yourself some sort of authoritarian right to define what 'personal responsibility' even means is absolute proof that you are not what you claim to be. But you certainly are a typical libertarian. I'll give you that.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Tim Craig wrote:
It seems much more hostile somehow and the ultra right wingers are just insufferable since Obama was elected.
pffft :rolleyes: It doesn't come close to the left wings hostility toward Bush or Palin. I await your denial and/or rationalization.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
It doesn't come close to the left wings hostility toward Bush
Shouldn't you be off praying for the rapture or something?
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Tim Craig wrote:
I probably don't post as much here as I have in the past. It seems much more hostile somehow
I've noticed the same thing. It does seem more hostile when you post here.
Tim Craig wrote:
and the ultra right wingers
We have anarchists posting here? :laugh:
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
BoneSoft wrote:
It does seem more hostile when you post here.
Apparently, only when you respond.
BoneSoft wrote:
We have anarchists posting here?
If the foo shits.... Although I thought you fell a bit short of that designation.
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Speak of the devil. I disagree with everything you said, but don't think it's worth pursuing it with you, since there is not a chance in hell of either of us persuading the other.
Rob Graham wrote:
Speak of the devil. I disagree with everything you said, but don't think it's worth pursuing it with you, since there is not a chance in hell of either of us persuading the other.
:thumbsup:
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
It doesn't come close to the left wings hostility toward Bush
Shouldn't you be off praying for the rapture or something?
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
Shouldn't you be off praying for the rapture or something?
Well I guess I should have added a third choice to deny and rationalize : deflect.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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Oakman wrote:
Perhaps we three should reconsider our hands-off moderation?
I don't know about you, but I've been a toothless moderator in name only form the beginning. The most I could do is bitch to the owner, and I see little point in that anymore. I think he wanted this to be Ilion's private playground and CSS' dump. The lounge is mostly insipid, SoapBox2 a wasteland, and the programming forums homework and rent-a-coder help city. Now that they've added blogs and snippets to the articles, I don't even find myself inspired to review/approve stuff anymore. A sad, sad state of affairs.
You are no longer toothless. Or at least I am not, and I suspect we all have teeth. So now the question is - do we ever bite?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
. It finally got through my thick skull that none of them were worth responding to
I've decided it's worse than that, and that we're enabling CSSs schizophrenia by replying to his delusions.
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We are no longer toothless. The question I just asked Rob is: do we ever bite?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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BoneSoft wrote:
It does seem more hostile when you post here.
Apparently, only when you respond.
BoneSoft wrote:
We have anarchists posting here?
If the foo shits.... Although I thought you fell a bit short of that designation.
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
Apparently, only when you respond.
Yeah, my responses are so hostile. :rolleyes: Or maybe it's only you that thinks so. I didn't know you were so thin skinned or I'd have used the kiddie gloves. I didn't hurt your wittle feelers did I? Does it take some effort to maintain the pantywaist liberal stereotype, or does it come natural? :laugh:
Tim Craig wrote:
If the foo shits.... Although I thought you fell a bit short of that designation.
If you think anybody here is anarchist then you're even farther from a grip on reality that I'd thought. And that's saying A LOT!!!
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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BoneSoft wrote:
I've started to think that I may be more Libertarian than before
The good news is that there is no such thing as a definition of the complete libertarian. To my mind anyone who believes that personal responsiblity should be one or the basic tenant of a society is at least a little bit libertarian. Throw in a willingness to say, 'whoops, I was wrong about. . ." and you've got someone I can really enjoy talking with and debating - even if we disagree on almost everything else.
BoneSoft wrote:
Like immigration and immigration and
Illegal immigration is a hot button for me - along with its brother, outsourcing - but I have to say that I think the long-term problems we face financially (and what that could mean about confrontation with China), and the threat of nuclear war being started by North Korea, Israel, Iran, or Pakistan dwarf my concerns about a giant economy sized box of other issue including the illegals.
BoneSoft wrote:
It's hard for people in general to handle disagreement without taking it personal
Disagreement is easy to handle in my so very humble opinion, it's the lack of respect evidenced both in the world of politics and in here that gets the nastiness flowing. One basic definition that seems to fit our trolls is that they evidence great disrespect for other people ideas and beliefs. It becomes so easy to respond to them in kind that the only thing that I can do is simply ignore them all.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
I don't know how most libertarians describe themselves, but I would think that it basically just stands for all possible freedoms allowed under the Constitution with minimal government. However, Intelligent Design sounds great from the title too, until you find out what is really lurking underneath.
Oakman wrote:
long-term problems we face financially
The financial issues could possibly be lessened with an illegal immigration magic bullet. But I agree, our external issues make the in house fiasco look like a mild case of the hick-ups.
Oakman wrote:
it's the lack of respect evidenced both in the world of politics and in here that gets the nastiness flowing
I think it's gone well beyond that. I think it's a cultural issue now. I see it more and more everywhere. I see it every day on the road with these inconsiderate morons. I see it at every store. People aren't courteous any more, not even a little bit. That's one of the reasons I really liked living in Japan. They didn't give a damn about you any more than anybody else, but they are at least courteous. They at least understand that for a gazillion people to live harmoniously on a tiny island that you have to be at least nice enough to get along. So yeah, I agree completely, it's a lack of respect. Isn't Craig the only person that can do something about Craig? :laugh:
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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I don't know how most libertarians describe themselves, but I would think that it basically just stands for all possible freedoms allowed under the Constitution with minimal government. However, Intelligent Design sounds great from the title too, until you find out what is really lurking underneath.
Oakman wrote:
long-term problems we face financially
The financial issues could possibly be lessened with an illegal immigration magic bullet. But I agree, our external issues make the in house fiasco look like a mild case of the hick-ups.
Oakman wrote:
it's the lack of respect evidenced both in the world of politics and in here that gets the nastiness flowing
I think it's gone well beyond that. I think it's a cultural issue now. I see it more and more everywhere. I see it every day on the road with these inconsiderate morons. I see it at every store. People aren't courteous any more, not even a little bit. That's one of the reasons I really liked living in Japan. They didn't give a damn about you any more than anybody else, but they are at least courteous. They at least understand that for a gazillion people to live harmoniously on a tiny island that you have to be at least nice enough to get along. So yeah, I agree completely, it's a lack of respect. Isn't Craig the only person that can do something about Craig? :laugh:
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
BoneSoft wrote:
all possible freedoms allowed under the Constitution with minimal government.
That works. Of course we only had that kind of government for a very brief period. John Adam's administration was the first to try to outlaw criticizing the government.
BoneSoft wrote:
However, Intelligent Design sounds great from the title too, until you find out what is really lurking underneath.
Yep. In the abstract you could describe my biefs as Intelligent Design, but then I know the difference between a designer and a tinkerer.
BoneSoft wrote:
I see it every day on the road with these inconsiderate morons. I see it at every store. People aren't courteous any more, not even a little bit. That's one of the reasons I really liked living in Japan.
Japan seems to have figured out that the closer people live to each other, the more polite they need to be. Something the hakujin, for the most part, haven't. I live in the rural south nd have a small place compared to many around me - only an acre. As a result I deal with people only when I choose to and seldom feel put upon. (Once in awhile I have to share a line with some jerk who feels the need to share his phonecall with everyone else.) It's easy to be polite, even friendly in those circumstances. Not like when I lived in a town house in Boston with walls that were shared with my next-door neighbor's house. There, it was possible to hate someone without having ever met them face to face. Robert Heinlein once postulated a society that had re-legalized the code duello and made the license to carry a right not a privilege. It was, he pointed out, an extremely polite society, and was likely to become more and more so since rude people didn't last long enough to breed. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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I don't know how most libertarians describe themselves, but I would think that it basically just stands for all possible freedoms allowed under the Constitution with minimal government. However, Intelligent Design sounds great from the title too, until you find out what is really lurking underneath.
Oakman wrote:
long-term problems we face financially
The financial issues could possibly be lessened with an illegal immigration magic bullet. But I agree, our external issues make the in house fiasco look like a mild case of the hick-ups.
Oakman wrote:
it's the lack of respect evidenced both in the world of politics and in here that gets the nastiness flowing
I think it's gone well beyond that. I think it's a cultural issue now. I see it more and more everywhere. I see it every day on the road with these inconsiderate morons. I see it at every store. People aren't courteous any more, not even a little bit. That's one of the reasons I really liked living in Japan. They didn't give a damn about you any more than anybody else, but they are at least courteous. They at least understand that for a gazillion people to live harmoniously on a tiny island that you have to be at least nice enough to get along. So yeah, I agree completely, it's a lack of respect. Isn't Craig the only person that can do something about Craig? :laugh:
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
BoneSoft wrote:
So yeah, I agree completely, it's a lack of respect. Isn't Craig the only person that can do something about Craig?
And until you look into the mirror and admit what you see there, I'll be in your face. Are you just totally fucking clueless as to how you come off or just think you're such hot shit?
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BoneSoft wrote:
So yeah, I agree completely, it's a lack of respect. Isn't Craig the only person that can do something about Craig?
And until you look into the mirror and admit what you see there, I'll be in your face. Are you just totally fucking clueless as to how you come off or just think you're such hot shit?
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!I don't know how I come across to you. But since you seem to have a unique reaction to me, I really couldn't care less how you take me. What I do know is that less than 80% of what I post is ridicule, abuse and general garden variety douche-bagery, which is more than anybody can say for you. At least Carson usually follows his personal attacks with a point, how do you imagine you're received?
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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You are no longer toothless. Or at least I am not, and I suspect we all have teeth. So now the question is - do we ever bite?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Can I join? :)
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Can I join? :)
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when you're older.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Aww... :(( ;P