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Nature Cannot Have a Natural Origin [modified]

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  • O Oakman

    Rob Graham wrote:

    I think Chris meant for us to protect his site against clearly abusive or offensive posts

    Okay, what is abusive to your mind? When Ilion's post consists in large part or completely of insults, is that abusive?

    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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    Chris Austin
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    Count me in on moving on from backroom. I'll still frequent CP but in another manner. If you need hosting help let me know, I have an under utilized host account or two.

    Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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    • L Lost User

      Regarding the thread above [^] - I can't reply to - no reply button. So yes, set that up, I await your invite. You have Zep's e-mail address and Zep has mine, and assuming Zep doesn't mind, ask him to forward it onto me.

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      Apparently you can't sticky a post and have people reply to it in Chris's world. I'll forward your note to Zep.

      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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      • O Oakman

        Rob Graham wrote:

        I think Chris meant for us to protect his site against clearly abusive or offensive posts

        Okay, what is abusive to your mind? When Ilion's post consists in large part or completely of insults, is that abusive?

        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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        Stan Shannon
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        Hey, me too... :laugh:

        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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        • S Stan Shannon

          Hey, me too... :laugh:

          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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          Oakman
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          Stan Shannon wrote:

          Hey, me too

          You are offering hosting help?

          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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          • G Gary Kirkham

            Ilíon wrote:

            how I choose to do Christ's work

            Is that what you imagine that you are doing? I would have thought that Christ's work would have been, well, more Christ like.

            Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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            Ilion
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            Gary Kirkham wrote:

            Is that what you imagine that you are doing? I would have thought that Christ's work would have been, well, more Christ like.

            Take off those Victorian blinders! Jesus was not the sissy-man the Victorians liked to portray him as ... and as Christ, well, that man is someone you'd hate even more than you hate me.

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            • I Ilion

              Gary Kirkham wrote:

              Is that what you imagine that you are doing? I would have thought that Christ's work would have been, well, more Christ like.

              Take off those Victorian blinders! Jesus was not the sissy-man the Victorians liked to portray him as ... and as Christ, well, that man is someone you'd hate even more than you hate me.

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              Gary Kirkham
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              Ilíon wrote:

              more than you hate me

              Actually, I don't hate you. I think you are misguided and I have wasted enough time trying to get you to see that. I guess that I will just shake the dust off my shoes and leave you be.

              Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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              • R Rob Graham

                Since you were too cowardly to post this publicly, I thought I would do it for you: CaptainSeeSharp has posted a reply to your message at "The Back Room": You need to go to the Soapbox 2.0. Get the hell out of here! Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Thanks for the good wishes, but I don't plan to stop by there, or the lounge either.

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                CaptainSeeSharp
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                I posted it publicly, I think someone deleted it.

                Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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                • I Ilion

                  To the entirely limited degree that one can apologize for another, I apologize for the terrible run-togetherness of the following essay. If you are not interested in thinking about these things, you will, of course, not care even were it better formatted; if you are interested in thinking about these things, you may be able to convince yourself to put in the effort to work around the bad formatting: [edit: at some point, the essay was reformatted and is now readable] Nature Cannot Have a Natural Origin[^] Here is Mr Wright's essay from which the above grows (it's not all run together): Before there was Time, there was no Time[^]

                  modified on Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:33 PM

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                  Chris Maunder
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                  "Not just the matter and energy in the universe came into being then, but, rather, nature itself came into being, which includes causation, the category of cause and effect." That's incorrect. But I do love watching armchair philsophers try and grapple with cosmology. Especially when they pay lip service to time being non-absolute but then insist on discussing causality within the framework of absolute time.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                    I posted it publicly, I think someone deleted it.

                    Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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                    Ilion
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                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                    I posted it publicly, I think someone deleted it.

                    Tsk! It's still all your fault!

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      "Not just the matter and energy in the universe came into being then, but, rather, nature itself came into being, which includes causation, the category of cause and effect." That's incorrect. But I do love watching armchair philsophers try and grapple with cosmology. Especially when they pay lip service to time being non-absolute but then insist on discussing causality within the framework of absolute time.

                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                      Ilion
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                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                      "Not just the matter and energy in the universe came into being then, but, rather, nature itself came into being, which includes causation, the category of cause and effect." That's incorrect. But I do love watching armchair philsophers try and grapple with cosmology. Especially when they pay lip service to time being non-absolute but then insist on discussing causality within the framework of absolute time.

                      Asserts the "armchair philosopher" who clearly misrepresents the other "armchair philosopher" and appears to be endorsing the vacuuous concept of “othertime.”

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