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Nature Cannot Have a Natural Origin [modified]

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  • I Ilion

    Gary Kirkham wrote:

    Is that what you imagine that you are doing? I would have thought that Christ's work would have been, well, more Christ like.

    Take off those Victorian blinders! Jesus was not the sissy-man the Victorians liked to portray him as ... and as Christ, well, that man is someone you'd hate even more than you hate me.

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    Ilíon wrote:

    more than you hate me

    Actually, I don't hate you. I think you are misguided and I have wasted enough time trying to get you to see that. I guess that I will just shake the dust off my shoes and leave you be.

    Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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      Since you were too cowardly to post this publicly, I thought I would do it for you: CaptainSeeSharp has posted a reply to your message at "The Back Room": You need to go to the Soapbox 2.0. Get the hell out of here! Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Thanks for the good wishes, but I don't plan to stop by there, or the lounge either.

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      I posted it publicly, I think someone deleted it.

      Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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      • I Ilion

        To the entirely limited degree that one can apologize for another, I apologize for the terrible run-togetherness of the following essay. If you are not interested in thinking about these things, you will, of course, not care even were it better formatted; if you are interested in thinking about these things, you may be able to convince yourself to put in the effort to work around the bad formatting: [edit: at some point, the essay was reformatted and is now readable] Nature Cannot Have a Natural Origin[^] Here is Mr Wright's essay from which the above grows (it's not all run together): Before there was Time, there was no Time[^]

        modified on Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:33 PM

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        "Not just the matter and energy in the universe came into being then, but, rather, nature itself came into being, which includes causation, the category of cause and effect." That's incorrect. But I do love watching armchair philsophers try and grapple with cosmology. Especially when they pay lip service to time being non-absolute but then insist on discussing causality within the framework of absolute time.

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          I posted it publicly, I think someone deleted it.

          Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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          Ilion
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          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          I posted it publicly, I think someone deleted it.

          Tsk! It's still all your fault!

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            "Not just the matter and energy in the universe came into being then, but, rather, nature itself came into being, which includes causation, the category of cause and effect." That's incorrect. But I do love watching armchair philsophers try and grapple with cosmology. Especially when they pay lip service to time being non-absolute but then insist on discussing causality within the framework of absolute time.

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            "Not just the matter and energy in the universe came into being then, but, rather, nature itself came into being, which includes causation, the category of cause and effect." That's incorrect. But I do love watching armchair philsophers try and grapple with cosmology. Especially when they pay lip service to time being non-absolute but then insist on discussing causality within the framework of absolute time.

            Asserts the "armchair philosopher" who clearly misrepresents the other "armchair philosopher" and appears to be endorsing the vacuuous concept of “othertime.”

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