John C Wright: On the Same Topic
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John C Wright: On the Same Topic[^] [that being the reality of immaterial things; aka, the falsity of materialism/naturalism]
... 1. Since all material objects can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity; and 2. Since no mental objects such as truth and logic, self-awareness, justice, beauty, causality, willpower, impulse, means-and-ends, cause-and-effect, substance-and-accident and so on can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity; therefore 3. No mental object is a material object ... Please do not simply deny the minor premise. You have done so ad nauseam. Give us your warrant for the minor premise. Show us how, even if you had a complete theory of the mind-brain relation, or the concept-word relation, the mind could be described in terms of the brain, or the concept in terms of the word. Just take one concept, such as cause-and-effect. What units is it made of? Perhaps we can measure degrees of causation in "humes." Show me how to measure humes and reduce a unit of hume into units measuring mass, length, and duration. I suggest the 'diogenes' as a unit of truth. A false statement contains zero, and a half-truth contains 0.5. I suggest 'ships' as a unit of beauty. Helen had a face that launched a thousand ships, so a woman half as fair would launch 500. Logic, of course, is measured in 'spocks', or, if that seems frivilous, in 'rands'. The statement that 'A is A' contains one spock of logic; a syllogism with an informal error, but which may be true in some cases, contains a measured fraction of logic. ...
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John C Wright: On the Same Topic[^] [that being the reality of immaterial things; aka, the falsity of materialism/naturalism]
... 1. Since all material objects can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity; and 2. Since no mental objects such as truth and logic, self-awareness, justice, beauty, causality, willpower, impulse, means-and-ends, cause-and-effect, substance-and-accident and so on can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity; therefore 3. No mental object is a material object ... Please do not simply deny the minor premise. You have done so ad nauseam. Give us your warrant for the minor premise. Show us how, even if you had a complete theory of the mind-brain relation, or the concept-word relation, the mind could be described in terms of the brain, or the concept in terms of the word. Just take one concept, such as cause-and-effect. What units is it made of? Perhaps we can measure degrees of causation in "humes." Show me how to measure humes and reduce a unit of hume into units measuring mass, length, and duration. I suggest the 'diogenes' as a unit of truth. A false statement contains zero, and a half-truth contains 0.5. I suggest 'ships' as a unit of beauty. Helen had a face that launched a thousand ships, so a woman half as fair would launch 500. Logic, of course, is measured in 'spocks', or, if that seems frivilous, in 'rands'. The statement that 'A is A' contains one spock of logic; a syllogism with an informal error, but which may be true in some cases, contains a measured fraction of logic. ...
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Ilíon wrote:
Since no mental objects such as truth and logic, self-awareness, justice, beauty, causality, willpower, impulse, means-and-ends, cause-and-effect, substance-and-accident and so on can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity;
Prove it.
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Ilíon wrote:
Since no mental objects such as truth and logic, self-awareness, justice, beauty, causality, willpower, impulse, means-and-ends, cause-and-effect, substance-and-accident and so on can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity;
Prove it.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
John C Wright: Since no mental objects such as truth and logic, self-awareness, justice, beauty, causality, willpower, impulse, means-and-ends, cause-and-effect, substance-and-accident and so on can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity; Fountleroy: Prove it.
Such a humorist, you are. :laugh: What would this proof weigh? What are its dimensions of space? And of time? Is it visible? Always visible, or only sometimes? Does it taste like chicken?
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
John C Wright: Since no mental objects such as truth and logic, self-awareness, justice, beauty, causality, willpower, impulse, means-and-ends, cause-and-effect, substance-and-accident and so on can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity; Fountleroy: Prove it.
Such a humorist, you are. :laugh: What would this proof weigh? What are its dimensions of space? And of time? Is it visible? Always visible, or only sometimes? Does it taste like chicken?
You can't prove it. You can't even define those things - no wonder you can't reduce them. I'm not going to talk to you any more.
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You can't prove it. You can't even define those things - no wonder you can't reduce them. I'm not going to talk to you any more.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
You can't prove it. You can't even define those things - no wonder you can't reduce them.
Such a willfully blind fool. Mental objects can't be reduced to material objects because they are not material.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I'm not going to talk to you any more.
You never have once spoken to me. Nevertheless: "Hal-lelujah! Hal-lelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hal-le-lu-jah!"
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Ilíon wrote:
Since no mental objects such as truth and logic, self-awareness, justice, beauty, causality, willpower, impulse, means-and-ends, cause-and-effect, substance-and-accident and so on can be reduced to mass, length, time, current, temperature, amount, and luminosity;
Prove it.
You really can't stop, can you - no matter how many times you promise.
Jon Soap Box 1.0: the first, the original, reborn troll-less
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You really can't stop, can you - no matter how many times you promise.
Jon Soap Box 1.0: the first, the original, reborn troll-less
Don't give me that - I was waiting for a TV show to come on.
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Don't give me that - I was waiting for a TV show to come on.
I know it isn't a word, but Ilion has a high degree of C*ntiness and that can't be reduced either!
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I know it isn't a word, but Ilion has a high degree of C*ntiness and that can't be reduced either!
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Am I just a useless loser who breaks promises all the time?
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Am I just a useless loser who breaks promises all the time?
No, he just drags the self control from you. He cannot help it, as a lonely, friendless child he had to amuse himself with masturbation and self loathing, it shows, as now he is a hateful wanker. Still, his pizza deliveries keep him busy, and it is a good job for someone of his limited talents.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
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No, he just drags the self control from you. He cannot help it, as a lonely, friendless child he had to amuse himself with masturbation and self loathing, it shows, as now he is a hateful wanker. Still, his pizza deliveries keep him busy, and it is a good job for someone of his limited talents.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
Still, his pizza deliveries keep him busy, and it is a good job for someone of his limited talents.
He has written quite a few articles. You don't seem to have any. :suss:
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Still, his pizza deliveries keep him busy, and it is a good job for someone of his limited talents.
He has written quite a few articles. You don't seem to have any. :suss:
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
Number Of Articles is not proportional to depth of Wankeriness. And you don't appear to have written any either. But hey, I just run the Accounts department for a multi-million pound land development company, and am responsible for all the tech side as well as being my Managing Directors factotum, so I don't get time to do the articles. He, on t'other hand, just has to make sure the pizzas are hot when they are delivered.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
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Number Of Articles is not proportional to depth of Wankeriness. And you don't appear to have written any either. But hey, I just run the Accounts department for a multi-million pound land development company, and am responsible for all the tech side as well as being my Managing Directors factotum, so I don't get time to do the articles. He, on t'other hand, just has to make sure the pizzas are hot when they are delivered.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
But hey, I just run the Accounts department for a multi-million pound land development company, and am responsible for all the tech side as well as being my Managing Directors factotum
Big deal, it doesn't matter how big of a dick you suck. You are just a bleached white punk. You and oakman have all the time in the world to harass two individuals behind the security of a computer screen.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
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Number Of Articles is not proportional to depth of Wankeriness. And you don't appear to have written any either. But hey, I just run the Accounts department for a multi-million pound land development company, and am responsible for all the tech side as well as being my Managing Directors factotum, so I don't get time to do the articles. He, on t'other hand, just has to make sure the pizzas are hot when they are delivered.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
And you don't appear to have written any either.
Actually he did. They were laughably bad and would never have been approved under the present procedures. He got into a snit fit one day when people were responding to how proud he was of getting food-stamps and demanded that Chris remove them from the database - since we were not worthy of seeing such awe-inspiring code, I suppose.
Jon Soap Box 1.0: the first, the original, reborn troll-less
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Dalek Dave wrote:
But hey, I just run the Accounts department for a multi-million pound land development company, and am responsible for all the tech side as well as being my Managing Directors factotum
Big deal, it doesn't matter how big of a dick you suck. You are just a bleached white punk. You and oakman have all the time in the world to harass two individuals behind the security of a computer screen.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
Actually, I am naturally silver haired and have been since 21 years of age. I was a punk, great music! I don't need to the security of a computer screen to harrass people, I did it in the real world, as a soldier. I don't suck dick, that I leave to the experts, like yourself and Ilidiot. I don't need to make myself superiour by denigrating others, I do it by achieving things myself.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
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Dalek Dave wrote:
And you don't appear to have written any either.
Actually he did. They were laughably bad and would never have been approved under the present procedures. He got into a snit fit one day when people were responding to how proud he was of getting food-stamps and demanded that Chris remove them from the database - since we were not worthy of seeing such awe-inspiring code, I suppose.
Jon Soap Box 1.0: the first, the original, reborn troll-less
Oakman wrote:
since we were not worthy of seeing such awe-inspiring code, I suppose.
Says it all! :) Were they written in LOGO?
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
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Dalek Dave wrote:
And you don't appear to have written any either.
Actually he did. They were laughably bad and would never have been approved under the present procedures. He got into a snit fit one day when people were responding to how proud he was of getting food-stamps and demanded that Chris remove them from the database - since we were not worthy of seeing such awe-inspiring code, I suppose.
Jon Soap Box 1.0: the first, the original, reborn troll-less
Actually, my articles were highly rated and popular. You lie to keep your bleached white thug'punk loyal to you.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
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Oakman wrote:
since we were not worthy of seeing such awe-inspiring code, I suppose.
Says it all! :) Were they written in LOGO?
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
Were they written in LOGO?
:laugh: Logo rears its head again at last.
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You can't prove it. You can't even define those things - no wonder you can't reduce them. I'm not going to talk to you any more.
Why are you still in here ? The Soapbox 1.0 is becoming a wonderful place for intelligent discussion. I'd forgotten what that was like. I didn't realise how much the noise that's generated back here, killed conversation.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Actually, I am naturally silver haired and have been since 21 years of age. I was a punk, great music! I don't need to the security of a computer screen to harrass people, I did it in the real world, as a soldier. I don't suck dick, that I leave to the experts, like yourself and Ilidiot. I don't need to make myself superiour by denigrating others, I do it by achieving things myself.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
I was a punk, great music!
Meh
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp