We never saw this one coming, did we?
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Texas Could Be First State to Have Infanticide Law[^] Bill would make postpartum disorder legal defense
Postpartum mental disorder could be used as a legal defense for women who kill their children under a bill introduced in the Legislature. The bill was filed this month by Rep. Jessica Farrar, D-Houston, and it applies to women who commit the crime within a year of giving birth, The Dallas Morning News reported in Sunday editions. If jurors find a mother guilty of murder, they could take testimony about postpartum issues into consideration during the trial's punishment phase. If jurors find that the woman's judgment was impaired because of childbirth or lactation, they could judge her guilty of infanticide, a state jail felony that would carry a maximum punishment of two years in jail. If lawmakers approve the measure, Texas would become the first state to have an infanticide law, said George Parnham, the Houston attorney who defended Andrea Yates. "It's something every civilized country has on its books," said Parnham, who supports the legislation. "The only thing that will change public attitude is education about postpartum issues." ...
Of course, women all across the western world already have the right to a reduced charge and sentence for the killing of an adult man (or, if they are lesbian, the killing of a woman). In some cases, they need merely claim that he (or she) was abusive.
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Texas Could Be First State to Have Infanticide Law[^] Bill would make postpartum disorder legal defense
Postpartum mental disorder could be used as a legal defense for women who kill their children under a bill introduced in the Legislature. The bill was filed this month by Rep. Jessica Farrar, D-Houston, and it applies to women who commit the crime within a year of giving birth, The Dallas Morning News reported in Sunday editions. If jurors find a mother guilty of murder, they could take testimony about postpartum issues into consideration during the trial's punishment phase. If jurors find that the woman's judgment was impaired because of childbirth or lactation, they could judge her guilty of infanticide, a state jail felony that would carry a maximum punishment of two years in jail. If lawmakers approve the measure, Texas would become the first state to have an infanticide law, said George Parnham, the Houston attorney who defended Andrea Yates. "It's something every civilized country has on its books," said Parnham, who supports the legislation. "The only thing that will change public attitude is education about postpartum issues." ...
Of course, women all across the western world already have the right to a reduced charge and sentence for the killing of an adult man (or, if they are lesbian, the killing of a woman). In some cases, they need merely claim that he (or she) was abusive.
I bet they still claim they're not for killing babies. They're just not so against it. Some friggin people... X|
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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I bet they still claim they're not for killing babies. They're just not so against it. Some friggin people... X|
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
BoneSoft wrote:
I bet they still claim they're not for killing babies. They're just not so against it. Some friggin people... X|
So, are you saying that there are indeed people who are intellectually dishonest? And that one can decide, with an honorable degree of accuracy, when the term 'intellectually dishonest' applies to another person? == And on a different note and level, would the mind-set behind this hypothetical claim or position (which we all understand will be made) be in some degree similar to that of persons who, while they may not be *for* dishonestly and dishonorably silencing another, are not exactly *against* it, either?
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BoneSoft wrote:
I bet they still claim they're not for killing babies. They're just not so against it. Some friggin people... X|
So, are you saying that there are indeed people who are intellectually dishonest? And that one can decide, with an honorable degree of accuracy, when the term 'intellectually dishonest' applies to another person? == And on a different note and level, would the mind-set behind this hypothetical claim or position (which we all understand will be made) be in some degree similar to that of persons who, while they may not be *for* dishonestly and dishonorably silencing another, are not exactly *against* it, either?
Ilíon wrote:
So, are you saying that there are indeed people who are intellectually dishonest? And that one can decide, with an honorable degree of accuracy, when the term 'intellectually dishonest' applies to another person?
None of that needs saying. What I'm saying is that they won't be happy until any murder done by a woman in the name of convenience is not only legal but smiled upon.
Ilíon wrote:
And on a different note and level, would the mind-set behind this hypothetical claim or position (which we all understand will be made)
I haven't the vaguest clue as to what you're getting at.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Ilíon wrote:
So, are you saying that there are indeed people who are intellectually dishonest? And that one can decide, with an honorable degree of accuracy, when the term 'intellectually dishonest' applies to another person?
None of that needs saying. What I'm saying is that they won't be happy until any murder done by a woman in the name of convenience is not only legal but smiled upon.
Ilíon wrote:
And on a different note and level, would the mind-set behind this hypothetical claim or position (which we all understand will be made)
I haven't the vaguest clue as to what you're getting at.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
BoneSoft wrote:
None of that needs saying. What I'm saying is that they won't be happy until any murder done by a woman in the name of convenience is not only legal but smiled upon.
So, are you saying that since (according to you) there is no "need" to say that such persons are intellectually dishonest, there is therefore an obligation to not say they are (even if it's true)? And are you saying that:
BoneSoft wrote:
I bet they still claim they're not for killing babies. They're just not so against it. Some friggin people... X|
is not, just different verbiage for "'they' are intellectually dishonest," after all? And, if so, can you explain to me how and why it is not?
BoneSoft wrote:
I haven't the vaguest clue as to what you're getting at.
Then don't worry about it.
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BoneSoft wrote:
None of that needs saying. What I'm saying is that they won't be happy until any murder done by a woman in the name of convenience is not only legal but smiled upon.
So, are you saying that since (according to you) there is no "need" to say that such persons are intellectually dishonest, there is therefore an obligation to not say they are (even if it's true)? And are you saying that:
BoneSoft wrote:
I bet they still claim they're not for killing babies. They're just not so against it. Some friggin people... X|
is not, just different verbiage for "'they' are intellectually dishonest," after all? And, if so, can you explain to me how and why it is not?
BoneSoft wrote:
I haven't the vaguest clue as to what you're getting at.
Then don't worry about it.
Ilíon wrote:
So, are you saying that since (according to you) there is no "need" to say that such persons are intellectually dishonest, there is therefore an obligation to not say they are (even if it's true)?
No. "None of that needs saying" can be taken as "that goes without saying".
Ilíon wrote:
is not, just different verbiage for "'they' are intellectually dishonest," after all?
Kinda.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Ilíon wrote:
So, are you saying that since (according to you) there is no "need" to say that such persons are intellectually dishonest, there is therefore an obligation to not say they are (even if it's true)?
No. "None of that needs saying" can be taken as "that goes without saying".
Ilíon wrote:
is not, just different verbiage for "'they' are intellectually dishonest," after all?
Kinda.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx