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    So, I've watched the first half hour of this 'documentary'. It's amazing. Things I have spotted so far: 1 - blatant lies, or at least, extraordinary claims with no proof. Example - King Edward was forced to abdicate b/c of his friendship with hitler. Prove it. He abdicated to marry a divorcee, everyone knows that 2 - incredible lapses of logic. Example - the rothschilds fund both sides of wars they create. No proof is offered that they had anything to do with WWI, which is widely known to have started because the generals wanted a war, not b/c the rich did. As for claims they make money lending to both sides, how does that work, when one side ends up no longer existing ? Who pays their debt ? 3 - extensive use of website screenshots as 'proof', most of which seem to come from their own web pages. So they published it on the web, how does that make it true ? I will watch the rest, but I am spectacularly unimpressed so far. Making a claim in a movie with good effects and a dramatic voiceover, is different to offering proof.

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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      So, I've watched the first half hour of this 'documentary'. It's amazing. Things I have spotted so far: 1 - blatant lies, or at least, extraordinary claims with no proof. Example - King Edward was forced to abdicate b/c of his friendship with hitler. Prove it. He abdicated to marry a divorcee, everyone knows that 2 - incredible lapses of logic. Example - the rothschilds fund both sides of wars they create. No proof is offered that they had anything to do with WWI, which is widely known to have started because the generals wanted a war, not b/c the rich did. As for claims they make money lending to both sides, how does that work, when one side ends up no longer existing ? Who pays their debt ? 3 - extensive use of website screenshots as 'proof', most of which seem to come from their own web pages. So they published it on the web, how does that make it true ? I will watch the rest, but I am spectacularly unimpressed so far. Making a claim in a movie with good effects and a dramatic voiceover, is different to offering proof.

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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      1. Rubbish. He was king, and like Henry 8th, who also married divorcees, there was nothing constitutionally wrong with it. It was because he was a nazi sympathizer. 2) The US and UK sold weapons to both Iran and Iraq during their war. Why should it be any different for bankers? And the winner pays the debt. (look at result of WW2) 3) I have no answer for that. Anyway, we all know it was Elvis what shot Kennedy with a Blaster Ray from an alien spaceship piloted by Bigfoot and in a parking orbit over the Bernuda Triangle.

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        1. Rubbish. He was king, and like Henry 8th, who also married divorcees, there was nothing constitutionally wrong with it. It was because he was a nazi sympathizer. 2) The US and UK sold weapons to both Iran and Iraq during their war. Why should it be any different for bankers? And the winner pays the debt. (look at result of WW2) 3) I have no answer for that. Anyway, we all know it was Elvis what shot Kennedy with a Blaster Ray from an alien spaceship piloted by Bigfoot and in a parking orbit over the Bernuda Triangle.

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        Dalek Dave wrote:

        It was because he was a nazi sympathizer.

        Really ? Well, that's the first I've heard of it, and either way, my point is, this 'doco' offers no proof. If it exists, then show it to me, fine. In any case, I don't see how his abdication built support for the doco, if anything it undermined it ( they claim that the world order was allowing communism and fascism to grow, to see which worked better ). He wasn't the only Nazi sympathiser if he was, and it's also true that it's easy to look back on history and say 'Nazi' and expect people who lived in the 1920s to see what we see now.

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        And the winner pays the debt. (look at result of WW2)

        The winner rebuilds, sure. But, does the winner look up the losers bank statements and pay their debts ?

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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          So, I've watched the first half hour of this 'documentary'. It's amazing. Things I have spotted so far: 1 - blatant lies, or at least, extraordinary claims with no proof. Example - King Edward was forced to abdicate b/c of his friendship with hitler. Prove it. He abdicated to marry a divorcee, everyone knows that 2 - incredible lapses of logic. Example - the rothschilds fund both sides of wars they create. No proof is offered that they had anything to do with WWI, which is widely known to have started because the generals wanted a war, not b/c the rich did. As for claims they make money lending to both sides, how does that work, when one side ends up no longer existing ? Who pays their debt ? 3 - extensive use of website screenshots as 'proof', most of which seem to come from their own web pages. So they published it on the web, how does that make it true ? I will watch the rest, but I am spectacularly unimpressed so far. Making a claim in a movie with good effects and a dramatic voiceover, is different to offering proof.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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          Christian Graus wrote:

          1 - blatant lies, or at least, extraordinary claims with no proof. Example - King Edward was forced to abdicate b/c of his friendship with hitler. Prove it. He abdicated to marry a divorcee, everyone knows that 2 - incredible lapses of logic. Example - the rothschilds fund both sides of wars they create. No proof is offered that they had anything to do with WWI, which is widely known to have started because the generals wanted a war, not b/c the rich did. As for claims they make money lending to both sides, how does that work, when one side ends up no longer existing ? Who pays their debt ? 3 - extensive use of website screenshots as 'proof', most of which seem to come from their own web pages. So they published it on the web, how does that make it true ?

          I don't think he can provide all the proof you need. He relies on the viewers to dig into the details on their own because I don't think anyone can provide proof through a video. The single most important thing is to either know your history, or do something to educate yourself through the library and internet.

          "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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            Christian Graus wrote:

            1 - blatant lies, or at least, extraordinary claims with no proof. Example - King Edward was forced to abdicate b/c of his friendship with hitler. Prove it. He abdicated to marry a divorcee, everyone knows that 2 - incredible lapses of logic. Example - the rothschilds fund both sides of wars they create. No proof is offered that they had anything to do with WWI, which is widely known to have started because the generals wanted a war, not b/c the rich did. As for claims they make money lending to both sides, how does that work, when one side ends up no longer existing ? Who pays their debt ? 3 - extensive use of website screenshots as 'proof', most of which seem to come from their own web pages. So they published it on the web, how does that make it true ?

            I don't think he can provide all the proof you need. He relies on the viewers to dig into the details on their own because I don't think anyone can provide proof through a video. The single most important thing is to either know your history, or do something to educate yourself through the library and internet.

            "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            I don't think he can provide all the proof you need.

            Well, that says it all. either way, SOME proof would be nice, or even references where to find proof.

            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            I don't think anyone can provide proof through a video.

            Rubbish. they tell you why they believe it. They can show film, they can refer to documents, they can do whatever they like

            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            The single most important thing is to either know your history, or do something to educate yourself through the library and internet.

            I know enough history to see through a lot of what they say. That's the problem. If you want to prove what I've been told in the past to be lies, then I need proof, don't just tell me what you want me to believe with no evidence. You didn't address my other points.

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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              Dalek Dave wrote:

              It was because he was a nazi sympathizer.

              Really ? Well, that's the first I've heard of it, and either way, my point is, this 'doco' offers no proof. If it exists, then show it to me, fine. In any case, I don't see how his abdication built support for the doco, if anything it undermined it ( they claim that the world order was allowing communism and fascism to grow, to see which worked better ). He wasn't the only Nazi sympathiser if he was, and it's also true that it's easy to look back on history and say 'Nazi' and expect people who lived in the 1920s to see what we see now.

              Dalek Dave wrote:

              And the winner pays the debt. (look at result of WW2)

              The winner rebuilds, sure. But, does the winner look up the losers bank statements and pay their debts ?

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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              Christian Graus wrote:

              The winner rebuilds, sure. But, does the winner look up the losers bank statements and pay their debts ?

              No, the tax payers of the country repay the debt to the banks since the repayments have to come from the government. The loosing country does not disappear off the of the map.

              "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                I don't think he can provide all the proof you need.

                Well, that says it all. either way, SOME proof would be nice, or even references where to find proof.

                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                I don't think anyone can provide proof through a video.

                Rubbish. they tell you why they believe it. They can show film, they can refer to documents, they can do whatever they like

                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                The single most important thing is to either know your history, or do something to educate yourself through the library and internet.

                I know enough history to see through a lot of what they say. That's the problem. If you want to prove what I've been told in the past to be lies, then I need proof, don't just tell me what you want me to believe with no evidence. You didn't address my other points.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                You want to be handed a prove it all instant gratification style proof on a silver platter. It doesn't work that way for anything. You know you have to really dig in and go at it to get the picture strait.

                "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                  You want to be handed a prove it all instant gratification style proof on a silver platter. It doesn't work that way for anything. You know you have to really dig in and go at it to get the picture strait.

                  "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  You want to be handed a prove it all instant gratification style proof on a silver platter.

                  I DON'T want to be told fairy stories, with NO proof. If you want to convince me, then you need to offer proof. I mean, isn't that the way the world works ? Or is it that if the theory sounds really out there, that must prove it's true ?

                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  You know you have to really dig in and go at it to get the picture strait.

                  Dig in where ? Where did these people 'dig in', and why can't they tell me how they came to believe the things they are saying ?

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    The winner rebuilds, sure. But, does the winner look up the losers bank statements and pay their debts ?

                    No, the tax payers of the country repay the debt to the banks since the repayments have to come from the government. The loosing country does not disappear off the of the map.

                    "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                    No, the tax payers of the country repay the debt to the banks since the repayments have to come from the government.

                    Countries do default on debts. Here's another question, assuming this cabal of power exists, what benefit would they have in creating a world where we are all locked down and have no freedom ? I mean, it can only make them poorer, so what's the benefit ?

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                      You want to be handed a prove it all instant gratification style proof on a silver platter.

                      I DON'T want to be told fairy stories, with NO proof. If you want to convince me, then you need to offer proof. I mean, isn't that the way the world works ? Or is it that if the theory sounds really out there, that must prove it's true ?

                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                      You know you have to really dig in and go at it to get the picture strait.

                      Dig in where ? Where did these people 'dig in', and why can't they tell me how they came to believe the things they are saying ?

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      I mean, isn't that the way the world works ? Or is it that if the theory sounds really out there, that must prove it's true ?

                      No, you have to do your own mental work. You can't have everything implanted into your skull for you, if that is the way you work with allow so called "experts" to dictate fact with your full faith and trust, then you will be conquered, mind and body. It is not really out their, its extremely logical and realistic if you are have been and are informed of current events more than your average joe.

                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      Dig in where ? Where did these people 'dig in', and why can't they tell me how they came to believe the things they are saying ?

                      The books, info, internet. They do, nobody is going to produce a 40 hour video, but you can find it in various books and articles, and documentaries. Instant gratification will not be achieved.

                      "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        I mean, isn't that the way the world works ? Or is it that if the theory sounds really out there, that must prove it's true ?

                        No, you have to do your own mental work. You can't have everything implanted into your skull for you, if that is the way you work with allow so called "experts" to dictate fact with your full faith and trust, then you will be conquered, mind and body. It is not really out their, its extremely logical and realistic if you are have been and are informed of current events more than your average joe.

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        Dig in where ? Where did these people 'dig in', and why can't they tell me how they came to believe the things they are saying ?

                        The books, info, internet. They do, nobody is going to produce a 40 hour video, but you can find it in various books and articles, and documentaries. Instant gratification will not be achieved.

                        "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        No, you have to do your own mental work. You can't have everything implanted into your skull for you, if that is the way you work with allow so called "experts" to dictate fact with your full faith and trust, then you will be conquered, mind and body.

                        OK, so every person who believes this, has to come to the conclusion themself, without any sort of proof being offered ? This sounds more like a religion than a statement of fact to me.

                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        It is not really out their, its extremely logical and realistic if you are have been and are informed of current events more than your average joe.

                        What you mean is, once you accept the theory, you can start to decide how each current event, no matter what it is, 'proves' the theory to you. It's like church. If you have faith, you see God everywhere. If you don't, you don't.

                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        They do, nobody is going to produce a 40 hour video, but you can find it in various books and articles, and documentaries.

                        so why don't they offer at least SOME proof, or a reference to where to find it ?

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                          No, the tax payers of the country repay the debt to the banks since the repayments have to come from the government.

                          Countries do default on debts. Here's another question, assuming this cabal of power exists, what benefit would they have in creating a world where we are all locked down and have no freedom ? I mean, it can only make them poorer, so what's the benefit ?

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          Here's another question, assuming this cabal of power exists, what benefit would they have in creating a world where we are all locked down and have no freedom ? I mean, it can only make them poorer, so what's the benefit ?

                          It wont make them poorer. You either work, you or starve, or be put in a labor camp. China is a world superpower, and their government is absolutely brutal. They work for a few bucks a day in the factories the big guys make all the profit. They don't want anyone to be able to question authority or have the capability to resist.

                          "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                            No, you have to do your own mental work. You can't have everything implanted into your skull for you, if that is the way you work with allow so called "experts" to dictate fact with your full faith and trust, then you will be conquered, mind and body.

                            OK, so every person who believes this, has to come to the conclusion themself, without any sort of proof being offered ? This sounds more like a religion than a statement of fact to me.

                            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                            It is not really out their, its extremely logical and realistic if you are have been and are informed of current events more than your average joe.

                            What you mean is, once you accept the theory, you can start to decide how each current event, no matter what it is, 'proves' the theory to you. It's like church. If you have faith, you see God everywhere. If you don't, you don't.

                            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                            They do, nobody is going to produce a 40 hour video, but you can find it in various books and articles, and documentaries.

                            so why don't they offer at least SOME proof, or a reference to where to find it ?

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            OK, so every person who believes this, has to come to the conclusion themself, without any sort of proof being offered ? This sounds more like a religion than a statement of fact to me.

                            No you are not supposed to just believe it. You are supposed to look things up, research, dig into it like I said.

                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            What you mean is, once you accept the theory, you can start to decide how each current event, no matter what it is, 'proves' the theory to you. It's like church. If you have faith, you see God everywhere. If you don't, you don't.

                            The proof is in the pudding. The proof is the world we live in. Knowledge seems to work similarly for everything. If you are ignorant, your mindscape is much smaller.

                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            so why don't they offer at least SOME proof, or a reference to where to find it ?

                            They show clips of news articles backing up their claims. You can search up the headline and find it for yourself. They show important quotes, reference books, and so on. Stop being in denial. That is all you are doing.

                            "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                              So, I've watched the first half hour of this 'documentary'. It's amazing. Things I have spotted so far: 1 - blatant lies, or at least, extraordinary claims with no proof. Example - King Edward was forced to abdicate b/c of his friendship with hitler. Prove it. He abdicated to marry a divorcee, everyone knows that 2 - incredible lapses of logic. Example - the rothschilds fund both sides of wars they create. No proof is offered that they had anything to do with WWI, which is widely known to have started because the generals wanted a war, not b/c the rich did. As for claims they make money lending to both sides, how does that work, when one side ends up no longer existing ? Who pays their debt ? 3 - extensive use of website screenshots as 'proof', most of which seem to come from their own web pages. So they published it on the web, how does that make it true ? I will watch the rest, but I am spectacularly unimpressed so far. Making a claim in a movie with good effects and a dramatic voiceover, is different to offering proof.

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                              It sucked?! Now there's a surprise! :omg:

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                                1. Rubbish. He was king, and like Henry 8th, who also married divorcees, there was nothing constitutionally wrong with it. It was because he was a nazi sympathizer. 2) The US and UK sold weapons to both Iran and Iraq during their war. Why should it be any different for bankers? And the winner pays the debt. (look at result of WW2) 3) I have no answer for that. Anyway, we all know it was Elvis what shot Kennedy with a Blaster Ray from an alien spaceship piloted by Bigfoot and in a parking orbit over the Bernuda Triangle.

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                                1. More rubbish The crisis was down to the fact that her 2 ex-husbands were still alive, nothing more. Edward VIII abdication crisis[^]

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                                  1. More rubbish The crisis was down to the fact that her 2 ex-husbands were still alive, nothing more. Edward VIII abdication crisis[^]

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                                  Interestingly the full family name was "Saxe-Coburg Gotha Schleswig Holstein" and it sounded a little too German, so they changed it to something that did not sound German at all, Vinsor!

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                                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                    I don't think he can provide all the proof you need.

                                    Well, that says it all. either way, SOME proof would be nice, or even references where to find proof.

                                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                    I don't think anyone can provide proof through a video.

                                    Rubbish. they tell you why they believe it. They can show film, they can refer to documents, they can do whatever they like

                                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                    The single most important thing is to either know your history, or do something to educate yourself through the library and internet.

                                    I know enough history to see through a lot of what they say. That's the problem. If you want to prove what I've been told in the past to be lies, then I need proof, don't just tell me what you want me to believe with no evidence. You didn't address my other points.

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                                    Christian, you are not dealing with the mindset of an academic. References to supporting documentation is not provided. This leaves you with the only option of accepting or rejecting the statements and nothing more.

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                                      Interestingly the full family name was "Saxe-Coburg Gotha Schleswig Holstein" and it sounded a little too German, so they changed it to something that did not sound German at all, Vinsor!

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                                      Indeed: time to become either a republic or the 51st state (I prefer the latter).

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                                        Indeed: time to become either a republic or the 51st state (I prefer the latter).

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                                        51st State - Groom Lake 52nd State - Puerto Rico 53rd State - Cuba (planned, awaiting death of Castro) 54th State - The Moon 55th State - Euro Disney etc No, Better if the US became the 4th Kingdom! (England, Scotland and Ireland being the first three, Wales is only a principality)

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                                          51st State - Groom Lake 52nd State - Puerto Rico 53rd State - Cuba (planned, awaiting death of Castro) 54th State - The Moon 55th State - Euro Disney etc No, Better if the US became the 4th Kingdom! (England, Scotland and Ireland being the first three, Wales is only a principality)

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                                          Either way I miss the place.

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