I feel so free...
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It would seem that you're being stalked. There hadn't been a post here for a day or so; you reply and Ilion vomits over the board less than an hour and a half later
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Computafreak wrote:
It would seem that you're being stalked.
How do you like them cameras that watch you everywhere you go?
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Computafreak wrote:
It would seem that you're being stalked.
How do you like them cameras that watch you everywhere you go?
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
I have nothing to hide. Why should any government be interested in me, out of the entire population of the planet? Assuming that there are people watching me at every turn is the height of arrogance. I am not remotely interesting in the grand scheme of things. I doubt any one person here is
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It would seem that you're being stalked. There hadn't been a post here for a day or so; you reply and Ilion vomits over the board less than an hour and a half later
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kmg365 wrote:
My mommy always told me to treat people with firearms with respect, police and agents of the government especially. There is no 'normal' person that would go out of his way to confront police armed with AR-15's
I'm happy that there are people like that out their who will stand up to tyranny, it makes me proud that there are still true Americans out there who won't tolerate tyrants and the loss of liberty and rights.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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I have nothing to hide. Why should any government be interested in me, out of the entire population of the planet? Assuming that there are people watching me at every turn is the height of arrogance. I am not remotely interesting in the grand scheme of things. I doubt any one person here is
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Computafreak wrote:
Why should any government be interested in me, out of the entire population of the planet?
I don't know, they have cameras everywhere so there must be some reason. It ain't just you, its all your peers and neighbors, its everyone. You are all criminals. It is a matter of principle. Everyone has something to hide. They do watch you though they wont single you out unless you have a funny look on your face or a shirt that says what you believe in. Once they upgrade their systems to support facial recognition and tie into the national databases they will be able to pull up a map and trace your rout in any particular date and time they choose. I prefer not to be under surveillance, but I am just a weirdo. :rolleyes: Quite frankly I think it is a real life nightmare.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Computafreak wrote:
Why should any government be interested in me, out of the entire population of the planet?
I don't know, they have cameras everywhere so there must be some reason. It ain't just you, its all your peers and neighbors, its everyone. You are all criminals. It is a matter of principle. Everyone has something to hide. They do watch you though they wont single you out unless you have a funny look on your face or a shirt that says what you believe in. Once they upgrade their systems to support facial recognition and tie into the national databases they will be able to pull up a map and trace your rout in any particular date and time they choose. I prefer not to be under surveillance, but I am just a weirdo. :rolleyes: Quite frankly I think it is a real life nightmare.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't know, they have cameras everywhere so there must be some reason
So a government for no known reason, is monitoring the populace. If that were true, there would be proof - and real proof, not just grainy YouTube videos and blogs written by the paranoid. Speaking of which, if that's true, why are the blogs still there? Shouldn't they be gone by now, or filtered intensely?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are all criminals.
Unlikely. In the UK, criminals have their fingerprints, photos' et al on record. I don't, and last time the government tried there was a large furore in the media and the government backed down
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They do watch you though they wont single you out unless you have a funny look on your face or a shirt that says what you believe in
You're absolutely right! Let's let everybody in the UK, no matter what they believe! Because that won't lead to terrorism at all! Everything will be perfect! Tolerance will abound!</sarcasm> At a certain level, surveillance is necessary. Would you happily step on a tube train in London on July 8th, knowing that anybody could be on the train with you and that there was no surveillance which could have potentially weeded out copycat strikes?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Once they upgrade their systems to support facial recognition and tie into the national databases they will be able to pull up a map and trace your rout in any particular date and time they choose.
Not true. There are areas with no CCTV. As such the route (not rout, that's got a different meaning) would be shaky and wouldn't stand up in a court of law
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I prefer not to be under surveillance
Most people do. However the world is not all a bed of roses; there are people who would happily butcher you in your sleep based on your skin colour. I would rather people be watched and relatively safe, than free to do what they please to whom they please
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Christian Graus wrote:
Exactly - the people complaining about loss of freedom, probably still have more of it than is good for society as a whole.
What a good slave you make.
Funny, the disenfranchised and socially outcast people on this forum, keep assuming I am some sort of slave. I travel the world, I work from home, set my own hours, make good money, and basically live the life I want to. I flew in to MN on the weekend, to be front row for a concert. I don't feel like a slave at all. I am, of course, by choice 'enslaved' by the standards of society. I work, I treat others fairly. I guess those with less decency, or less to offer society, would be more worried about their supposed 'freedom', because they are already under pressure, because of their lack of value to society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Christian Graus wrote:
Exactly - the people complaining about loss of freedom, probably still have more of it than is good for society as a whole.
So you think. You are a textbook example of a modern idiot who will allow their government to completely take over everyone's life until they are nothing but mindless slaves. X|
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are a textbook example of a modern idiot who will allow their government to completely take over everyone's life until they are nothing but mindless slaves
But, I didn't think you had textbooks, only youtube videos to support your cause ? Funny how nothing has been taken from me, ever. And yet, you keep telling yourself that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Funny, the disenfranchised and socially outcast people on this forum, keep assuming I am some sort of slave. I travel the world, I work from home, set my own hours, make good money, and basically live the life I want to. I flew in to MN on the weekend, to be front row for a concert. I don't feel like a slave at all. I am, of course, by choice 'enslaved' by the standards of society. I work, I treat others fairly. I guess those with less decency, or less to offer society, would be more worried about their supposed 'freedom', because they are already under pressure, because of their lack of value to society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
because they are already under pressure, because of their lack of value to society.
I guess they should be sterilized and sent to a labor camp or something.:~
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't know, they have cameras everywhere so there must be some reason
So a government for no known reason, is monitoring the populace. If that were true, there would be proof - and real proof, not just grainy YouTube videos and blogs written by the paranoid. Speaking of which, if that's true, why are the blogs still there? Shouldn't they be gone by now, or filtered intensely?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are all criminals.
Unlikely. In the UK, criminals have their fingerprints, photos' et al on record. I don't, and last time the government tried there was a large furore in the media and the government backed down
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They do watch you though they wont single you out unless you have a funny look on your face or a shirt that says what you believe in
You're absolutely right! Let's let everybody in the UK, no matter what they believe! Because that won't lead to terrorism at all! Everything will be perfect! Tolerance will abound!</sarcasm> At a certain level, surveillance is necessary. Would you happily step on a tube train in London on July 8th, knowing that anybody could be on the train with you and that there was no surveillance which could have potentially weeded out copycat strikes?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Once they upgrade their systems to support facial recognition and tie into the national databases they will be able to pull up a map and trace your rout in any particular date and time they choose.
Not true. There are areas with no CCTV. As such the route (not rout, that's got a different meaning) would be shaky and wouldn't stand up in a court of law
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I prefer not to be under surveillance
Most people do. However the world is not all a bed of roses; there are people who would happily butcher you in your sleep based on your skin colour. I would rather people be watched and relatively safe, than free to do what they please to whom they please
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Yes you love your master authorities watching you. It must feel so good to you.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are a textbook example of a modern idiot who will allow their government to completely take over everyone's life until they are nothing but mindless slaves
But, I didn't think you had textbooks, only youtube videos to support your cause ? Funny how nothing has been taken from me, ever. And yet, you keep telling yourself that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
How do you feel about those carbon cops searching homes and businesses in your country now? Surely you have heard about them in the news.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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How do you feel about those carbon cops searching homes and businesses in your country now? Surely you have heard about them in the news.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you have a link to a *credible* news source, or a grainy you tube video ? I just googled and there's a TV show called 'carbon cops', where people INVITE these folks into their homes, surely that's not what you mean ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you have a link to a *credible* news source, or a grainy you tube video ? I just googled and there's a TV show called 'carbon cops', where people INVITE these folks into their homes, surely that's not what you mean ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25623185-661,00.html[^] http://www.environmentalleader.com/2009/06/12/australias-carbon-police-may-enter-premises/[^] http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11896[^] http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/30/2612348.htm[^] Youth indoctrination[^] Propaganda to prepare the masses[^]
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Yes you love your master authorities watching you. It must feel so good to you.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
When it keeps people from killing me, yes. Of course, if you want to step on the Tube the day after a terrorist strike, in a country with no surveillance, feel free. Just don't expect me to be on there with you
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25623185-661,00.html[^] http://www.environmentalleader.com/2009/06/12/australias-carbon-police-may-enter-premises/[^] http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11896[^] http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/30/2612348.htm[^] Youth indoctrination[^] Propaganda to prepare the masses[^]
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
OK, so, this is saying that people who try to earn carbon credits, can be investigated if it seems their claim is bogus. I think the whole carbon trade thing is dumb, but it makes sense that if money is used as an incentive, people will try to rip it off, and the police will enforce it. Why would I care ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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OK, so, this is saying that people who try to earn carbon credits, can be investigated if it seems their claim is bogus. I think the whole carbon trade thing is dumb, but it makes sense that if money is used as an incentive, people will try to rip it off, and the police will enforce it. Why would I care ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
Why would I care ?
I supposed you don't, but there are many good Aussies out there that do care about their country and the lives of their fellow countrymen.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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When it keeps people from killing me, yes. Of course, if you want to step on the Tube the day after a terrorist strike, in a country with no surveillance, feel free. Just don't expect me to be on there with you
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What do you think about those RFIDs? I bet you would like it.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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What do you think about those RFIDs? I bet you would like it.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
For active devices, a 100 meter distance around a maximum transmission range. To track a person just using RFID within the confines of a fairly small town will require hundreds if not thousands of readers. Although the price of all types of RFID equiment is coming down, it would still be hugely expensive. Your concerns I feel are unjustified not just on costs by also in terms of a clear violation of the Human Rights legislation in terms of compulsion for an entire population of a country to be injected with such devices, it would also constitute actual assault by the state and that is also illegal. http://www.rfip.eu/aboutrfid.htm[^]
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For active devices, a 100 meter distance around a maximum transmission range. To track a person just using RFID within the confines of a fairly small town will require hundreds if not thousands of readers. Although the price of all types of RFID equiment is coming down, it would still be hugely expensive. Your concerns I feel are unjustified not just on costs by also in terms of a clear violation of the Human Rights legislation in terms of compulsion for an entire population of a country to be injected with such devices, it would also constitute actual assault by the state and that is also illegal. http://www.rfip.eu/aboutrfid.htm[^]
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Although the price of all types of RFID equiment is coming down, it would still be hugely expensive.
Well, they 4.2 million CCTV cameras all around in Britain. I'm sure the cost of the RFID systems will be pretty insignificant.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Your concerns I feel are unjustified not just on costs by also in terms of a clear violation of the Human Rights legislation in terms of compulsion for an entire population of a country to be injected with such devices, it would also constitute actual assault by the state and that is also illegal.
They are actually pushing through legislation here that will ban forced RFID, but people can still get them if they want, special deals like %20 off all purchases with your chip or something along those lines. It will be pushed through workarounds if the law does not allow them, or they will just change the law. Here the Constitution is supposed to be the supreme law of the land, but it is constantly infringed upon (warrentless "wiretapping" or illegal searches for instance).
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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What do you think about those RFIDs? I bet you would like it.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
As has been said previously, they're impractical. They wouldn't work; the infrastructure wouldn't support them. But even if it did, if they were put into prison residents who are supposed to be serving indefinite terms I could see the reasons for such a decision. I don't personally agree with it (I believe that it puts governments on a slippery slope towards a dictatorship), but I could see the good reasons behind it Are you just going to throw accusation after accusation at me, or actually try to discuss my opinions rationally? As it is, you're just creating a massive paranoia database. So far the only entries are
- Cameras
- Other observational devices
- RFIDs
- New World Order
Surely you can do better than that
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