Four Fallacies of Smart People
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Child molestation is wrong no matter what society you live in
Not true, but I guess it's close enough, nowadays.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People who own guns are not criminals, they are not out to hurt people like a child molester is
That is probably mostly true. I wasn't making any claim to the contrary, I was just proving in yet another way, that not owning a gun, does not prove I am not free, nor does it change that we're all tied to the standards of our communities.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Is that so f***ing hard to understand? I can't stand you.
Hating me is probably another good defence mechanism for the fact that you cannot make any sort of meaningful response to the things I have to say, or even understand them, it seems.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I will type up something elaborate and thorough (later) that will cover how a society should be and how a society can be taken over used to murder while killing itself, like what Hitler did with Germany. It will be extensive.
OK. I'd prefer you answer the questions I've asked you directly. Lets start with how does having a gun and being poor make you more free than being well off and not having a gun. Or, how does a gun protect you in a society where the person trying to hurt you is also far more likely to have one ? Or, if guns make you so safe, why is the murder rate that much higher in the US ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Lets start with how does having a gun and being poor make you more free than being well off and not having a gun.
It doesn't, I thought in Australia guns were illegal.
Christian Graus wrote:
Or, how does a gun protect you in a society where the person trying to hurt you is also far more likely to have one ?
A firearm is an equalizer. You don't even have to be seen to shoot somebody with one. A physically handicapped person can protect himself against a 300 pound coked up mad man.
Christian Graus wrote:
Or, if guns make you so safe, why is the murder rate that much higher in the US ?
That has to do with blacks and their little drug wars, plain and simple.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Lets say that only 1 billion people take the vaccine, I'm sure there will be more as there are over 6 billion people on the world, more than 1 billion in china, but for simplicity we will just say 1 billion. Now if there is a %0.1 chance that the injections will cause damage to the immune system or other serious health problems, that is 1,000,000 people ONE MILLION, you can tweak the numbers however you like, its still alot. Lets say there with the rushed procedures a batch of vaccines were contaminated, say %10. that is 100,000,000 ONE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE! That is not something to sneeze at asshole. Naive Jackass.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Now if there is a %0.1 chance that the injections will cause damage to the immune system or other serious health problems, that is 1,000,000 people ONE MILLION, you can tweak the numbers however you like, its still alot.
you're assuming .1%. I expect it is far, far less. And, the fact is, the side affects are more temporary illness, for most of the people who have them, and again, it's a low percentage. We've been giving vaccinations for a long time, why do you think that is ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Lets say there with the rushed procedures a batch of vaccines were contaminated, say %10. that is 100,000,000 ONE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!
I can do the math, same as you. But, can you tell the difference between doing some math and raving like a lunatic, and reality ? Reality is, if the companies kill 100 million people, the odds of them being immune from a lawsuit are pretty close to zero. The odds are also astronomically against that happening, in any case. For starters, if this DID happen, they would not release the vaccine without some testing, and even if they did, they won't administer one billion vaccines overnight, and they would stop the moment they knew there was a problem.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is not something to sneeze at a**hole. Naive Jackass.
You are naive to think that we can administer a billion doses overnight, or that we'd keep doing it while it was killing people. Or for even assuming that the odds of that happening are anything more than miniscule.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Lets start with how does having a gun and being poor make you more free than being well off and not having a gun.
It doesn't, I thought in Australia guns were illegal.
Christian Graus wrote:
Or, how does a gun protect you in a society where the person trying to hurt you is also far more likely to have one ?
A firearm is an equalizer. You don't even have to be seen to shoot somebody with one. A physically handicapped person can protect himself against a 300 pound coked up mad man.
Christian Graus wrote:
Or, if guns make you so safe, why is the murder rate that much higher in the US ?
That has to do with blacks and their little drug wars, plain and simple.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It doesn't, I thought in Australia guns were illegal.
That's because you're illiterate. I've told you several times that as a farmer, I could own a gun if I wanted to. Semi automatic weapons were banned, not all guns.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
A firearm is an equalizer. You don't even have to be seen to shoot somebody with one. A physically handicapped person can protect himself against a 300 pound coked up mad man.
Assuming the mad man does not have a gun, and assuming he gets lucky, that he wears his gun all the time, and practices daily to make sure he can draw a loaded weapon in an instant, that may be true in some specific instances.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That has to do with blacks and their little drug wars, plain and simple.
We have blacks. We have drugs. Criminals here even have guns. What we don't have is teenagers killing their parents, or school shootings ( I think we've had one ), or people killing strangers in public ( I think we've had two, both in the late 1980s ). Those are the things your gun culture gives you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Its because you don't want to open your mind. You are too naive and trusting. You could be easily taken advantage of.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
More ignorant, meaningless crap. How can my mind be opened, if you won't answer me and share your great insights ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Look man, your country is being taken over and will become subservient to a global government.
This is ignorant BS. You cannot prove it, b/c it is not true.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are going to have carbon taxes and carbon cops inspecting homes and businesses
Carbon taxes, probably. People inspecting homes ? More fantasy.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. Your economy is going down the shitter,
ROTFL - yours is FAR worse.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
bankers and power brokers are getting mega rich by robbing the and deceiving the public
Yeah, so what else is new ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and all you can say is "I'm a rich bastard! f*** you!@ I got my money so nothing else matters scum!"
Funny, I posted at length yesterday, describing my reasons for feeling that I am not someone who trusts in my money, or is arrogant to people who have less of it than me. I give $300+ a month to charity, to benefit poor people around the world. That's probably more than you earn. In other words, I have the freedom to help others, because I work hard and make a decent wage. Again, what freedom does poverty, ignorance and gun ownership provide you ? Be specific. Once you do that, you will hopefully realise that you get no freedom from owning a gun, except the freedom to own one, which is meaningless.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is ignorant BS. You cannot prove it, b/c it is not true.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, so what else is new ?
Look fool, if you want to keep your head up your ass then that is fine.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Child molestation is wrong no matter what society you live in
Not true, but I guess it's close enough, nowadays.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
People who own guns are not criminals, they are not out to hurt people like a child molester is
That is probably mostly true. I wasn't making any claim to the contrary, I was just proving in yet another way, that not owning a gun, does not prove I am not free, nor does it change that we're all tied to the standards of our communities.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Is that so f***ing hard to understand? I can't stand you.
Hating me is probably another good defence mechanism for the fact that you cannot make any sort of meaningful response to the things I have to say, or even understand them, it seems.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I will type up something elaborate and thorough (later) that will cover how a society should be and how a society can be taken over used to murder while killing itself, like what Hitler did with Germany. It will be extensive.
OK. I'd prefer you answer the questions I've asked you directly. Lets start with how does having a gun and being poor make you more free than being well off and not having a gun. Or, how does a gun protect you in a society where the person trying to hurt you is also far more likely to have one ? Or, if guns make you so safe, why is the murder rate that much higher in the US ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Child molestation is wrong no matter what society you live in
Christian Graus wrote:
Not true
That is perfect sig material right there you child molesting pig.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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More ignorant, meaningless crap. How can my mind be opened, if you won't answer me and share your great insights ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Go take your injections peon.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Now if there is a %0.1 chance that the injections will cause damage to the immune system or other serious health problems, that is 1,000,000 people ONE MILLION, you can tweak the numbers however you like, its still alot.
you're assuming .1%. I expect it is far, far less. And, the fact is, the side affects are more temporary illness, for most of the people who have them, and again, it's a low percentage. We've been giving vaccinations for a long time, why do you think that is ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Lets say there with the rushed procedures a batch of vaccines were contaminated, say %10. that is 100,000,000 ONE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!
I can do the math, same as you. But, can you tell the difference between doing some math and raving like a lunatic, and reality ? Reality is, if the companies kill 100 million people, the odds of them being immune from a lawsuit are pretty close to zero. The odds are also astronomically against that happening, in any case. For starters, if this DID happen, they would not release the vaccine without some testing, and even if they did, they won't administer one billion vaccines overnight, and they would stop the moment they knew there was a problem.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is not something to sneeze at a**hole. Naive Jackass.
You are naive to think that we can administer a billion doses overnight, or that we'd keep doing it while it was killing people. Or for even assuming that the odds of that happening are anything more than miniscule.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Do no evil, see no evil, hear no evil. That defines you.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Child molestation is wrong no matter what society you live in
Christian Graus wrote:
Not true
That is perfect sig material right there you child molesting pig.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Child molestation is wrong no matter what society you live in Christian Graus wrote: Not true That is perfect sig material right there you child molesting pig.
I can't help that you're ignorant. In the middle ages, in Britain, a child was considered a small adult. People would, for example, record that while at the pub, they played with a child's privates, for their amusement. Now, that disgusts me personally, but I am not sufficiently educated to know it was true. I know that australian aboriginals traditionally partner young men with the older women and vice versa. I don't know what age they consider marriagable. In the USA in the early years, 12 or 13 was old enough for a girl to be married, and therefore have sex. I regard that as child molestation, yet, in the country you live in, it was normal less than 200 years ago.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Go take your injections peon.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
Go die of swine flu, you ignoramus. See, I can do it, too. I just don't mistake it for meaningful discussion or debate.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Do no evil, see no evil, hear no evil. That defines you.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
I see you were incapable of responding to this post, also.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
This is ignorant BS. You cannot prove it, b/c it is not true.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, so what else is new ?
Look fool, if you want to keep your head up your ass then that is fine.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Look fool, if you want to keep your head up your ass then that is fine.
Again, if you know more than me, why are you posting here non-stop and yet refusing to educate me ? Why won't you answer me when I respond to your questions ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Child molestation is wrong no matter what society you live in Christian Graus wrote: Not true That is perfect sig material right there you child molesting pig.
I can't help that you're ignorant. In the middle ages, in Britain, a child was considered a small adult. People would, for example, record that while at the pub, they played with a child's privates, for their amusement. Now, that disgusts me personally, but I am not sufficiently educated to know it was true. I know that australian aboriginals traditionally partner young men with the older women and vice versa. I don't know what age they consider marriagable. In the USA in the early years, 12 or 13 was old enough for a girl to be married, and therefore have sex. I regard that as child molestation, yet, in the country you live in, it was normal less than 200 years ago.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
So as long as everyone else does it, its ok? I see how you are. As long as it is mainstream, its right.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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I see you were incapable of responding to this post, also.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I see you were incapable of responding to this post, also.
What if the adverse effects were not seen until years later?
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Christian Graus wrote:
I see you were incapable of responding to this post, also.
What if the adverse effects were not seen until years later?
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What if the adverse effects were not seen until years later?
The longer it takes to see them, the lower the already small odds that they would be serious. Again, I know that vaccination can cause some side effects for a minority. I just think you're over reacting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So as long as everyone else does it, its ok? I see how you are. As long as it is mainstream, its right.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
You are such an idiot. I see you didn't read anything I said. I pointed out that social mores change, as well as stating my personal feelings, which are probably typical for a guy with a 12 yo daughter. You're just trying to find something to attack me over, and ignoring the point I am making. Which is that social mores change, and different societies have differing standards and rules. Through it all, only the US has this retarded attachment to guns, which gives you less freedom, except the freedom to die at the hands of a serial killer, or a mass murderer, or in a school shooting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
so you are saying that the logic of his question is beyond you?
No, his logic is faulty. It is incomplete and corrupt. I'm not going to go down that path because he will take it all the way down to weird shit like child molestation. Its ridiculous.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
So you admit that you fail to see the logic? I can, and it would seem that everyone else can except you, now this implies that it is your understanding thats faulty not the logic of his argument. so rather than typing irreleavent statements why not ask for clarification, or point out what you think is missing or why its corrupt, this is exactly what he did with your argument and rather than engaging in dialogue you run and hide behind platitudes. This is the typing equivilent of puting your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalalalala, it implies a childish nature and a lack of understanding
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So you admit that you fail to see the logic? I can, and it would seem that everyone else can except you, now this implies that it is your understanding thats faulty not the logic of his argument. so rather than typing irreleavent statements why not ask for clarification, or point out what you think is missing or why its corrupt, this is exactly what he did with your argument and rather than engaging in dialogue you run and hide behind platitudes. This is the typing equivilent of puting your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalalalala, it implies a childish nature and a lack of understanding
modified on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:52 AM
Alex hogarth wrote:
I can, and it would seem that everyone else can
Your use of "we" and "everyone else" implies that this thread was being monitored and steered by people not participating. Christian Grass does not recognize reality as it really is, instead he goes with the "weakness is strength, less is more" doublethink.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Alex hogarth wrote:
I can, and it would seem that everyone else can
Your use of "we" and "everyone else" implies that this thread was being monitored and steered by people not participating. Christian Grass does not recognize reality as it really is, instead he goes with the "weakness is strength, less is more" doublethink.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
our use of "we" and "everyone else" implies that this thread was being monitored and steered by people not participating
No it is a nod to the fact that only you seem to be on your side and all other posters against you. Steered? are the voices in your head at it again?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Christian Grass does not recognize reality as it really is, instead he goes with the "weakness is strength, less is more" doublethink.
No, his logic is sound, he says that in an de-gunned country the odds on meeting an armed man are reduce so the odd on being shot are reduced, the problem with your argument is that it only works if the intruder is unarmed, given the availabity of guns in the US the odds are not in your favour, whilst in a civilised country where the used and ownership of guns are restricted the odds are that the intruder is unarmed, and whilst your right that he might have a baseball bat or equivilent any club type weapon is bulky and easier to defend against. if i was being burgled i would be more likely to dfefend myself knowing the intruder was not armed than if he was, because the problem is that shooting him isnt an option unless its in self defense and if it is in self defense he might be quicker. I would say that removing guns from untrained and unstable people is a sign of intelligence and maturity and not of weakness, the idea of hordes of idiots with guns is not something I would regard as a good idea unless they were tightly controlled and organised ie an army, I would agree that the US should keep its guns as long as those holding the guns were force to become members of a reconised civilian Militia as was the intention of the founding fathers, not some gun crazy nut who thinks the govenment is out to get him.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
our use of "we" and "everyone else" implies that this thread was being monitored and steered by people not participating
No it is a nod to the fact that only you seem to be on your side and all other posters against you. Steered? are the voices in your head at it again?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Christian Grass does not recognize reality as it really is, instead he goes with the "weakness is strength, less is more" doublethink.
No, his logic is sound, he says that in an de-gunned country the odds on meeting an armed man are reduce so the odd on being shot are reduced, the problem with your argument is that it only works if the intruder is unarmed, given the availabity of guns in the US the odds are not in your favour, whilst in a civilised country where the used and ownership of guns are restricted the odds are that the intruder is unarmed, and whilst your right that he might have a baseball bat or equivilent any club type weapon is bulky and easier to defend against. if i was being burgled i would be more likely to dfefend myself knowing the intruder was not armed than if he was, because the problem is that shooting him isnt an option unless its in self defense and if it is in self defense he might be quicker. I would say that removing guns from untrained and unstable people is a sign of intelligence and maturity and not of weakness, the idea of hordes of idiots with guns is not something I would regard as a good idea unless they were tightly controlled and organised ie an army, I would agree that the US should keep its guns as long as those holding the guns were force to become members of a reconised civilian Militia as was the intention of the founding fathers, not some gun crazy nut who thinks the govenment is out to get him.
No, christian thinks being weaker makes him stronger. Thats doublethink. Also, the right to bear arms is an individual right, period. Individuals have the right to own and operate the proper tools needed to defend his and his families life, liberty, and property. Plain and simple.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949