Freedom
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Question - if one person has a gun, and is poor, dependant on welfare and limited in choices by not having money, and another does not have a gun, but has adequate personal wealth to be able to live their life exactly as they choose, who is more free ? Question - if one person lives in a society where almost all criminals are armed, and they own a gun, and another person lives in a place where only the worst criminals carry a gun, and does not own a gun, which of those people is better able to defend themself if attacked ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Question - if one person has a gun, and is poor, dependant on welfare and limited in choices by not having money, and another does not have a gun, but has adequate personal wealth to be able to live their life exactly as they choose, who is more free ? Question - if one person lives in a society where almost all criminals are armed, and they own a gun, and another person lives in a place where only the worst criminals carry a gun, and does not own a gun, which of those people is better able to defend themself if attacked ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
You don't get freedom from owning something, you don't buy freedom. You fight for freedom, if you are complacent then you will loose your freedom to others who want to take it. Your country is disarmed so your authorities can more easily control the masses. Here in America, heads will roll if the government crosses its boundaries. If the authorities ever start getting physical on a wider scale, heads will roll. Right now I expect the traitors involved in the economic crisis and the general evil in our government will be tried and imprisoned sometime in the near future, and things will be set strait civilly and our sovereignty will be reestablished. You will say that the government has the firepower to kill off everyone, well that just goes to show you that even you know that the government is all powerful and capable of controlling and killing everyone. If you really don't believe they would do that, then yes, having a well arm civilian base can set government strait, if not, then there will be massive genocide at the will of our masters.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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You don't get freedom from owning something, you don't buy freedom. You fight for freedom, if you are complacent then you will loose your freedom to others who want to take it. Your country is disarmed so your authorities can more easily control the masses. Here in America, heads will roll if the government crosses its boundaries. If the authorities ever start getting physical on a wider scale, heads will roll. Right now I expect the traitors involved in the economic crisis and the general evil in our government will be tried and imprisoned sometime in the near future, and things will be set strait civilly and our sovereignty will be reestablished. You will say that the government has the firepower to kill off everyone, well that just goes to show you that even you know that the government is all powerful and capable of controlling and killing everyone. If you really don't believe they would do that, then yes, having a well arm civilian base can set government strait, if not, then there will be massive genocide at the will of our masters.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't get freedom from owning something, you don't buy freedom.
For people who live in truly oppressive situations, this is true. However, assuming that is not the case, then freedom is not limited by any external force. The government does not limit either of us from a reasonable amount of freedom, that is, freedom to pursue our goals when they are not incompatibile with robbing others of the right to their own pursuit of happiness. Under those circumstances, personal wealth removes limits to the ability to pursue our goals, and is therefore a factor. Owning a gun, is not.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You fight for freedom, if you are complacent then you will loose your freedom to others who want to take it.
Who wants to take my freedom ? Who is actively trying to take it ? Assuming these people exist, how would owning a gun ensure that they could not do so ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your country is disarmed so your authorities can more easily control the masses.
Yes, I realise you're enough of an ignorant moron to think this. However, one major reason it is not true, is that we never had the retarded gun culture you love so much to start with. Apart from the fact that we can still own guns ( and still choose not to, by and large ), the fact is that most people were only affected by the gun buyback in the sense that they were scared that we were on the way to being like the US, in terms of having regular public mass shootings, and so, the population as a whole wanted to see semi automatic weapons taken away from the few who had them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If the authorities ever start getting physical on a wider scale, heads will roll.
If they did do that, then no weapon I could legally own, would stop them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You will say that the government has the firepower to kill off everyone, well that just goes to show you that even you know that the government is all powerful and capable of controlling and killing everyone.
Correct. So long as we do not have anarchy, what we will have, is a government that either controls us, or, a government that rules by the will of the people. Both Australian and US tradition and culture are the things that are most likely t
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't get freedom from owning something, you don't buy freedom.
For people who live in truly oppressive situations, this is true. However, assuming that is not the case, then freedom is not limited by any external force. The government does not limit either of us from a reasonable amount of freedom, that is, freedom to pursue our goals when they are not incompatibile with robbing others of the right to their own pursuit of happiness. Under those circumstances, personal wealth removes limits to the ability to pursue our goals, and is therefore a factor. Owning a gun, is not.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You fight for freedom, if you are complacent then you will loose your freedom to others who want to take it.
Who wants to take my freedom ? Who is actively trying to take it ? Assuming these people exist, how would owning a gun ensure that they could not do so ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your country is disarmed so your authorities can more easily control the masses.
Yes, I realise you're enough of an ignorant moron to think this. However, one major reason it is not true, is that we never had the retarded gun culture you love so much to start with. Apart from the fact that we can still own guns ( and still choose not to, by and large ), the fact is that most people were only affected by the gun buyback in the sense that they were scared that we were on the way to being like the US, in terms of having regular public mass shootings, and so, the population as a whole wanted to see semi automatic weapons taken away from the few who had them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If the authorities ever start getting physical on a wider scale, heads will roll.
If they did do that, then no weapon I could legally own, would stop them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You will say that the government has the firepower to kill off everyone, well that just goes to show you that even you know that the government is all powerful and capable of controlling and killing everyone.
Correct. So long as we do not have anarchy, what we will have, is a government that either controls us, or, a government that rules by the will of the people. Both Australian and US tradition and culture are the things that are most likely t
Christian Graus wrote:
The government does not limit either of us from a reasonable amount of freedom, that is, freedom to pursue our goals when they are not incompatibile with robbing others of the right to their own pursuit of happiness.
We are being robbed out of 24 trillion dollars, and the constitution is being trampled on everyday. You are clearly out of touch with reality. Your statement above nullifies any other points you tried and try to bring up.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Christian Graus wrote:
The government does not limit either of us from a reasonable amount of freedom, that is, freedom to pursue our goals when they are not incompatibile with robbing others of the right to their own pursuit of happiness.
We are being robbed out of 24 trillion dollars, and the constitution is being trampled on everyday. You are clearly out of touch with reality. Your statement above nullifies any other points you tried and try to bring up.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We are being robbed out of 24 trillion dollars
People who pay taxes are, you are not. Either way, the big question is, how does your owning guns change this fact ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
, and the constitution is being trampled on everyday
I wonder if you realise the degree to which the constitution has been reinterpreted to mean things that the original authors never meant, not least in the issue of gun rights.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are clearly out of touch with reality
Really ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. Your statement above nullifies any other points you tried and try to bring up.
Which I guess is a convenient way for you to continue to avoid the points I raise. Are my children ( I obvioulsy assume that you will never have any ) going to pay for the Australian bailout ? Of course. Thankfully, I will be able to offer them an inheritance that will make them better able to deal with that than most. Would I prefer it had not happened ? Of course. Does this level of debt materially influence my level of personal freedom ? Not at all. So, it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. And what I was talking about, at the core, before you changed the subject, was the fact that having money, gives me more freedom, in a free society, than having a gun gives you. Even in a dictatorship, this would actually be true.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We are being robbed out of 24 trillion dollars
People who pay taxes are, you are not. Either way, the big question is, how does your owning guns change this fact ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
, and the constitution is being trampled on everyday
I wonder if you realise the degree to which the constitution has been reinterpreted to mean things that the original authors never meant, not least in the issue of gun rights.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are clearly out of touch with reality
Really ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. Your statement above nullifies any other points you tried and try to bring up.
Which I guess is a convenient way for you to continue to avoid the points I raise. Are my children ( I obvioulsy assume that you will never have any ) going to pay for the Australian bailout ? Of course. Thankfully, I will be able to offer them an inheritance that will make them better able to deal with that than most. Would I prefer it had not happened ? Of course. Does this level of debt materially influence my level of personal freedom ? Not at all. So, it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. And what I was talking about, at the core, before you changed the subject, was the fact that having money, gives me more freedom, in a free society, than having a gun gives you. Even in a dictatorship, this would actually be true.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Thankfully, I will be able to offer them an inheritance that will make them better able to deal with that than most.
Ever heard of hyperinflation?
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Christian Graus wrote:
Thankfully, I will be able to offer them an inheritance that will make them better able to deal with that than most.
Ever heard of hyperinflation?
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Ever heard of hyperinflation?
Apart from money invested in various places, I own two properties and plan to buy a third. At a minimum, I want a property I can give to each child as they leave home, to either sell, or live in. Obvioulsy, once I own property, as prices go up, so does the value of my investment.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't get freedom from owning something, you don't buy freedom.
For people who live in truly oppressive situations, this is true. However, assuming that is not the case, then freedom is not limited by any external force. The government does not limit either of us from a reasonable amount of freedom, that is, freedom to pursue our goals when they are not incompatibile with robbing others of the right to their own pursuit of happiness. Under those circumstances, personal wealth removes limits to the ability to pursue our goals, and is therefore a factor. Owning a gun, is not.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You fight for freedom, if you are complacent then you will loose your freedom to others who want to take it.
Who wants to take my freedom ? Who is actively trying to take it ? Assuming these people exist, how would owning a gun ensure that they could not do so ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your country is disarmed so your authorities can more easily control the masses.
Yes, I realise you're enough of an ignorant moron to think this. However, one major reason it is not true, is that we never had the retarded gun culture you love so much to start with. Apart from the fact that we can still own guns ( and still choose not to, by and large ), the fact is that most people were only affected by the gun buyback in the sense that they were scared that we were on the way to being like the US, in terms of having regular public mass shootings, and so, the population as a whole wanted to see semi automatic weapons taken away from the few who had them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If the authorities ever start getting physical on a wider scale, heads will roll.
If they did do that, then no weapon I could legally own, would stop them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You will say that the government has the firepower to kill off everyone, well that just goes to show you that even you know that the government is all powerful and capable of controlling and killing everyone.
Correct. So long as we do not have anarchy, what we will have, is a government that either controls us, or, a government that rules by the will of the people. Both Australian and US tradition and culture are the things that are most likely t
Christian Graus wrote:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote: having a well arm civilian base can set government strait
I love the thought that he thinks the US govt is straight, like any govt it is as corrupt as it can get away with and guns make no difference to it. I hold up Sierra Leonne as an example of this :laugh:
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Christian Graus wrote:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote: having a well arm civilian base can set government strait
I love the thought that he thinks the US govt is straight, like any govt it is as corrupt as it can get away with and guns make no difference to it. I hold up Sierra Leonne as an example of this :laugh:
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
My main point is that guns do not make you free. He is yet to actually present a reason to believe otherwise.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Question - if one person has a gun, and is poor, dependant on welfare and limited in choices by not having money, and another does not have a gun, but has adequate personal wealth to be able to live their life exactly as they choose, who is more free ? Question - if one person lives in a society where almost all criminals are armed, and they own a gun, and another person lives in a place where only the worst criminals carry a gun, and does not own a gun, which of those people is better able to defend themself if attacked ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Why are you asking this?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Ever heard of hyperinflation?
Apart from money invested in various places, I own two properties and plan to buy a third. At a minimum, I want a property I can give to each child as they leave home, to either sell, or live in. Obvioulsy, once I own property, as prices go up, so does the value of my investment.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Obvioulsy, once I own property, as prices go up, so does the value of my investment.
Not if anyone is buying. If demand is low, you won't get jack shit for it. If hyperinflation is kicking, then NO, people won't be buying houses. You will barely be able to afford food, that is if you have a job. You said you already lost 25% of your income do to the little inflation we have now. You are going to loose your savings, and your income. You are going to fall hard, and you deserve it because you are too smug about your supreme existence. Little do you realize, your existence is extremely fragile and there are hoards of people waiting below to rip you to shreds.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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My main point is that guns do not make you free. He is yet to actually present a reason to believe otherwise.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Did you know that if you fold a dollar bill in a certain way you can create other images on the bill by hiding and manipulating the normal images. That is what you do with your short-circuited logic. I never said owning a gun makes anyone free. I said Americans have more freedoms under the constitution than Australians could ever dream of having, specifically concerning one of the most important rights; the right to bear arms.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Christian Graus wrote:
Obvioulsy, once I own property, as prices go up, so does the value of my investment.
Not if anyone is buying. If demand is low, you won't get jack shit for it. If hyperinflation is kicking, then NO, people won't be buying houses. You will barely be able to afford food, that is if you have a job. You said you already lost 25% of your income do to the little inflation we have now. You are going to loose your savings, and your income. You are going to fall hard, and you deserve it because you are too smug about your supreme existence. Little do you realize, your existence is extremely fragile and there are hoards of people waiting below to rip you to shreds.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Not if anyone is buying. If demand is low, you won't get jack sh*t for it.
Yes, it's true that the market moves in cycles, and people who over-extend themselves will lose money, because they are forced to sell. Just like, in a stock market downturn, people who need to sell, lose their shirt. People who ride it out, are just fine.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If hyperinflation is kicking, then NO, people won't be buying houses.
Thankfully, people always need somewhere to live, and my position is that I own two houses outright, and intend to own three in the next couple of years. Therefore, I will be making income from rent, not worrying about property values.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You will barely be able to afford food, that is if you have a job.
If I were to be unemployed, the rent on two properties, for someone who owns three, is more than enough to pay for food and services. That's without considering how much food I can grow for myself between the 16 acres that I currently own. We are close to being set up to be able to grow about 80% of our food, year round.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You said you already lost 25% of your income do to the little inflation we have now
No, not quite. The exchange rate has been on a roller coaster ride, because of the downturn. The average exchange rate is around .75. It is .80 right now, so only a little against me. It got as low as .60, and it did in fact jump overnight, when the car company bailout happened. Before that, my financial advisor thought it was headed for .50. In contrast, leading up to the crisis, the rate got close to 1.00. To put all of this in perspective, at the start of the year, I was making 5 times the average wage where I live, and I now make about 4 times the average wage. So, I am not hurting.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are going to loose your savings, and your income.
Why would I ? If I am not over extended, then I will never be forced to sell. I am a conservative investor, precisely because I don't worship money, or work hard to get all the money I can. I try to respond to the fruits of my hard work and good luck by making sure I do the best I can to provide for myself and my family in the coming years, and wh
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Did you know that if you fold a dollar bill in a certain way you can create other images on the bill by hiding and manipulating the normal images. That is what you do with your short-circuited logic. I never said owning a gun makes anyone free. I said Americans have more freedoms under the constitution than Australians could ever dream of having, specifically concerning one of the most important rights; the right to bear arms.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. I never said owning a gun makes anyone free. I said Americans have more freedoms under the constitution than Australians could ever dream of having, specifically concerning one of the most important rights; the right to bear arms.
And I explored in depth how that's not a meaningful freedom at all. It gives you the freedom to be more likely to die horribily. That's about it. What other 'freedoms' do you think you have that I do not ? Seriously, can you name one more ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Why are you asking this?
Read the 'four fallacies of smart people thread'. That was CSS starting a new thread in response to something I said. In that thread, I basically asked these questions over and over in response, and the CSS replies were gibberish, like 'less is more, slavery is freedom', etc. In other words, he can't answer me. He asked me a number of questions which I answered in depth and he would ignore the answers and continue in the same pattern. So, I was consolidating my main questions and asking them clearly and unadorned, to see if he would answer. Not post in response, but actually answer.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. I never said owning a gun makes anyone free. I said Americans have more freedoms under the constitution than Australians could ever dream of having, specifically concerning one of the most important rights; the right to bear arms.
And I explored in depth how that's not a meaningful freedom at all. It gives you the freedom to be more likely to die horribily. That's about it. What other 'freedoms' do you think you have that I do not ? Seriously, can you name one more ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
That is your horribly skewed opinion.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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That is your horribly skewed opinion.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
Which I have laid out logically, and you have utterly failed to respond to meaningfully.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Which I have laid out logically, and you have utterly failed to respond to meaningfully.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Which I have laid out logically, and you have utterly failed to respond to meaningfully.
You have a real bigotry and prejudice towards original American values and the liberties and rights we are guaranteed under the constitution. You enjoy your petty power trips when you see the people around the world suffer because of the decisions of the powerful men that are steering society at their will. Your fellow countrymen and mine in the USA are being royally screwed out of their jobs, homes, liberties, futures, and their children's futures because of the decisions of our masters. That doesn't matter to you because all those people are just petty carbon feeders. You want even more though, you said it yourself that you think it would be a good idea if people around the world were forcibly sterilized and forced abortions. You think it would be great to tax the life out of anyone who decides to do anything other than what they are told to do. You are a rotten bigoted prejudice soulless individual, and don't say your not because you throw a few bread crums at some starving Africans. You are scum.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Christian Graus wrote:
Which I have laid out logically, and you have utterly failed to respond to meaningfully.
You have a real bigotry and prejudice towards original American values and the liberties and rights we are guaranteed under the constitution. You enjoy your petty power trips when you see the people around the world suffer because of the decisions of the powerful men that are steering society at their will. Your fellow countrymen and mine in the USA are being royally screwed out of their jobs, homes, liberties, futures, and their children's futures because of the decisions of our masters. That doesn't matter to you because all those people are just petty carbon feeders. You want even more though, you said it yourself that you think it would be a good idea if people around the world were forcibly sterilized and forced abortions. You think it would be great to tax the life out of anyone who decides to do anything other than what they are told to do. You are a rotten bigoted prejudice soulless individual, and don't say your not because you throw a few bread crums at some starving Africans. You are scum.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You have a real bigotry and prejudice towards original American values and the liberties and rights we are guaranteed under the constitution.
Not at all. I just have a logical response to the way that gun nuts have twisted the constitution beyond a form that would be recognisable by the founding fathers. And I've read a lot of US history, from which to make that statement. As usual, I write detailed responses to you and you don't answer anything I say. Above, you didn't even reply to my post.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You enjoy your petty power trips when you see the people around the world suffer because of the decisions of the powerful men that are steering society at their will.
Tell me how I do this.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your fellow countrymen and mine in the USA are being royally screwed out of their jobs, homes, liberties, futures, and their children's futures because of the decisions of our masters
There's probably some truth in that. What is your point ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
you said it yourself that you think it would be a good idea if people around the world were forcibly sterilized and forced abortions
Liar. I have NEVER talked about forced abortions, or sterilization. I've talked about allowing one birth per family, to control population. My plan had ideas to get around the fact that forced abortions would never be acceptable. And, even then, I said I knew there was no way it could happen, but that without it, we are screwed.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You think it would be great to tax the life out of anyone who decides to do anything other than what they are told to do.
Liar. When did I say that ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are a rotten bigoted prejudice soulless individual, and don't say your not because you throw a few bread crums at some starving Africans. You are scum.
I see my response above hit a nerve, even if you didn't reply. Please define my bigotry, and my prejudice. Towards whom is it directed, and how have I shown you that I have these qualities ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You have a real bigotry and prejudice towards original American values and the liberties and rights we are guaranteed under the constitution.
Not at all. I just have a logical response to the way that gun nuts have twisted the constitution beyond a form that would be recognisable by the founding fathers. And I've read a lot of US history, from which to make that statement. As usual, I write detailed responses to you and you don't answer anything I say. Above, you didn't even reply to my post.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You enjoy your petty power trips when you see the people around the world suffer because of the decisions of the powerful men that are steering society at their will.
Tell me how I do this.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your fellow countrymen and mine in the USA are being royally screwed out of their jobs, homes, liberties, futures, and their children's futures because of the decisions of our masters
There's probably some truth in that. What is your point ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
you said it yourself that you think it would be a good idea if people around the world were forcibly sterilized and forced abortions
Liar. I have NEVER talked about forced abortions, or sterilization. I've talked about allowing one birth per family, to control population. My plan had ideas to get around the fact that forced abortions would never be acceptable. And, even then, I said I knew there was no way it could happen, but that without it, we are screwed.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You think it would be great to tax the life out of anyone who decides to do anything other than what they are told to do.
Liar. When did I say that ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are a rotten bigoted prejudice soulless individual, and don't say your not because you throw a few bread crums at some starving Africans. You are scum.
I see my response above hit a nerve, even if you didn't reply. Please define my bigotry, and my prejudice. Towards whom is it directed, and how have I shown you that I have these qualities ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Not at all. I just have a logical response to the way that gun nuts have twisted the constitution beyond a form that would be recognisable by the founding fathers. And I've read a lot of US history, from which to make that statement.
There you go with you lies and twisted logic. The constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, plain and simple. The militia is the citizens.
Christian Graus wrote:
As usual, I write detailed responses to you and you don't answer anything I say. Above, you didn't even reply to my post.
You write a bunch of brainwashed bullshit. You can try to construct something elaborate, tie things together nicely, invoke strong emotions and then twist them, add some tedium and fluff to bog down readers, create thought loops and "spaghetti code" type logic, but it doesn't work on me. I know what the constitution says, I know what my rights are. You don't like that, that is too fucking bad. About half of all Americans have at least one gun, most of them would send you on your way if you told them they didn't have the right. If you have a problem with it than stay the hell out of my country you socialist piece of trash.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949