Its amazing how people only know things that are unimportant.
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Yeah, for once I agree with you. Bread and circuses.... But, it's not a conspiracy, people are just complacent and dumb.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yeah, for once I agree with you. Bread and circuses.... But, it's not a conspiracy, people are just complacent and dumb.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
But, it's not a conspiracy, people are just complacent and dumb
That is what sodium fluoride (among the ridiculous variety of other chems we ingest) and TV does to people. Citation[^] "...In this scheme, sodium fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."
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Christian Graus wrote:
But, it's not a conspiracy, people are just complacent and dumb
That is what sodium fluoride (among the ridiculous variety of other chems we ingest) and TV does to people. Citation[^] "...In this scheme, sodium fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is what sodium fluoride
Rubbish.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and TV does to people.
That much is true.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Citation[^] "...In this scheme, sodium fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."
What a joke. I googled the author of this report, and his credibility is suspect. I spent a half hour looking for proof beyond this one ridiculous claim, that with all the other methods of torture the germans used, they used fluoride to poison and control people. No evidence. This is just another ignorant scare campaign. Finding a link that supports it, is no achievement. Finding proof, would be great.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is what sodium fluoride
Rubbish.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and TV does to people.
That much is true.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Citation[^] "...In this scheme, sodium fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."
What a joke. I googled the author of this report, and his credibility is suspect. I spent a half hour looking for proof beyond this one ridiculous claim, that with all the other methods of torture the germans used, they used fluoride to poison and control people. No evidence. This is just another ignorant scare campaign. Finding a link that supports it, is no achievement. Finding proof, would be great.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Rubbish.
Why have many countries and Europe banned the use of it in the water supply?
Christian Graus wrote:
What a joke. I googled the author of this report, and his credibility is suspect.
How so?
Christian Graus wrote:
spent a half hour looking for proof beyond this one ridiculous claim, that with all the other methods of torture the germans used, they used fluoride to poison and control people. No evidence.
When you read a history book, do you demand proof? Many well educated (more so than you) doctors and scientists have concluded fluoride adversely effects the brain. I can develop a list of those highly educated PhDs and doctorates if you need it, but I don't see how that can change a denier of the magnitude of a holocaust denier.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is just another ignorant scare campaign.
Reality beyond your physical and mental confinements can be pretty scary, but you have to man up to it.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Rubbish.
Why have many countries and Europe banned the use of it in the water supply?
Christian Graus wrote:
What a joke. I googled the author of this report, and his credibility is suspect.
How so?
Christian Graus wrote:
spent a half hour looking for proof beyond this one ridiculous claim, that with all the other methods of torture the germans used, they used fluoride to poison and control people. No evidence.
When you read a history book, do you demand proof? Many well educated (more so than you) doctors and scientists have concluded fluoride adversely effects the brain. I can develop a list of those highly educated PhDs and doctorates if you need it, but I don't see how that can change a denier of the magnitude of a holocaust denier.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is just another ignorant scare campaign.
Reality beyond your physical and mental confinements can be pretty scary, but you have to man up to it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Why have many countries and Europe banned the use of it in the water supply?
Probably because of ignorant public pressure.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How so?
It's doubtful he was who he claimed he was, for a start.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
When you read a history book, do you demand proof?
Yes, if the book claims something that no other history book has presented to me, I'd expect it to provide citations and evidence, not just random claims.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Many well educated (more so than you) doctors and scientists have concluded fluoride adversely effects the brain.
All of them hiding from google this morning, it appears. Even if this is true, the pages you link to, fail to talk about things like, what level of fluoride has a negative affect, how much is in the water, etc.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I can develop a list of those highly educated PhDs and doctorates if you need it,
Perhaps my google skills have failed me. Sure, provide me with a citation, that's all I ever ask you for.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Reality beyond your physical and mental confinements can be pretty scary, but you have to man up to it.
I would like specific proof that the Germans used fluoride in the manner you claim. then I'd like proof that it works ( people used to apply leeches, too, doesn't mean it worked ). Then I'll want to know what levels of fluoride have this affect, and how that compares to levels in water. At that point, you will have proven your claim.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Why have many countries and Europe banned the use of it in the water supply?
Probably because of ignorant public pressure.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How so?
It's doubtful he was who he claimed he was, for a start.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
When you read a history book, do you demand proof?
Yes, if the book claims something that no other history book has presented to me, I'd expect it to provide citations and evidence, not just random claims.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Many well educated (more so than you) doctors and scientists have concluded fluoride adversely effects the brain.
All of them hiding from google this morning, it appears. Even if this is true, the pages you link to, fail to talk about things like, what level of fluoride has a negative affect, how much is in the water, etc.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I can develop a list of those highly educated PhDs and doctorates if you need it,
Perhaps my google skills have failed me. Sure, provide me with a citation, that's all I ever ask you for.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Reality beyond your physical and mental confinements can be pretty scary, but you have to man up to it.
I would like specific proof that the Germans used fluoride in the manner you claim. then I'd like proof that it works ( people used to apply leeches, too, doesn't mean it worked ). Then I'll want to know what levels of fluoride have this affect, and how that compares to levels in water. At that point, you will have proven your claim.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Probably because of ignorant public pressure.
Damn those slave scum for speaking out against forced medication through the water supply.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's doubtful he was who he claimed he was, for a start.
How so?
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, if the book claims something that no other history book has presented to me, I'd expect it to provide citations and evidence
Which that person did.
Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps my google skills have failed me. Sure, provide me with a citation, that's all I ever ask you for.
Here is just a tiny handful. Arvid Carlsson, Nobel Laureate for Physiology or Medicine, 2000 • Vyvyan Howard, MD, PhD, Immediate Past President, International Society of Doctors for the Environment (ISDE) • Ingrid Eckerman, MD, MPH, President, Swedish Doctors for the Environment (LFM), Stockholm, Sweden • Raul Montenegro, PhD, Right Livelihood Award 2004 (known as the Alternative Nobel Prize), President of FUNAM, Professor of Evolutionary Biology, National University of Cordoba, Argentina • The current President and six past Presidents of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology • Three scientists from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Headquarters Union in Washington D.C. * William Marcus, PhD, Former chief toxicologist of the EPA Water Division, Boyds, MD • Three members of the National Research Council committee who wrote the landmark 2006 report: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards (Hardy Limeback, PhD, DDS; Robert L. Isaacson, PhD; Kathleen M. Thiessen, PhD) • The Board of Directors, American Academy of Environmental Medicine • Two advisory board members of the UK government sponsored “York Review” • Andy Harris, MD, former national president, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Salem, OR • Theo Colborn, PhD, co-author, Our Stolen Future • Lynn Margulis, PhD, a recipient of the National Medal of Science • Ken Cook and Richard Wiles, President and Executive Director, Environmental Working Group (EWG) • Ron Cummins, Director, Organic Consumers Association • Magda Aelvoet, MD, Former Minister of Public Health, Leuven, BELGIUM • Doug Everingham, former Federal Health Minister (1972-75), Australia • Peter Montague, PhD, Director of Environme
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Christian Graus wrote:
Probably because of ignorant public pressure.
Damn those slave scum for speaking out against forced medication through the water supply.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's doubtful he was who he claimed he was, for a start.
How so?
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, if the book claims something that no other history book has presented to me, I'd expect it to provide citations and evidence
Which that person did.
Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps my google skills have failed me. Sure, provide me with a citation, that's all I ever ask you for.
Here is just a tiny handful. Arvid Carlsson, Nobel Laureate for Physiology or Medicine, 2000 • Vyvyan Howard, MD, PhD, Immediate Past President, International Society of Doctors for the Environment (ISDE) • Ingrid Eckerman, MD, MPH, President, Swedish Doctors for the Environment (LFM), Stockholm, Sweden • Raul Montenegro, PhD, Right Livelihood Award 2004 (known as the Alternative Nobel Prize), President of FUNAM, Professor of Evolutionary Biology, National University of Cordoba, Argentina • The current President and six past Presidents of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology • Three scientists from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Headquarters Union in Washington D.C. * William Marcus, PhD, Former chief toxicologist of the EPA Water Division, Boyds, MD • Three members of the National Research Council committee who wrote the landmark 2006 report: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards (Hardy Limeback, PhD, DDS; Robert L. Isaacson, PhD; Kathleen M. Thiessen, PhD) • The Board of Directors, American Academy of Environmental Medicine • Two advisory board members of the UK government sponsored “York Review” • Andy Harris, MD, former national president, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Salem, OR • Theo Colborn, PhD, co-author, Our Stolen Future • Lynn Margulis, PhD, a recipient of the National Medal of Science • Ken Cook and Richard Wiles, President and Executive Director, Environmental Working Group (EWG) • Ron Cummins, Director, Organic Consumers Association • Magda Aelvoet, MD, Former Minister of Public Health, Leuven, BELGIUM • Doug Everingham, former Federal Health Minister (1972-75), Australia • Peter Montague, PhD, Director of Environme
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Damn those slave scum for speaking out against forced medication through the water supply.
Well, no. Democracy means people can push for what they want, even if it's in ignorance.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How so?
Google it yourself. I am actually not going to be online for quite a bit of today, I have a lot of work on
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Which that person did.
Not that I could see.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Here is just a tiny handful.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Legendary folksinger, songwriter and activist, Pete Seeger
HAHAAHAHAAHAAAA !!!! OK, you have MDs in your list, but to pad it out with people like this, is ridiculous. A list of names means nothing, I want to read what they wrote, see it in context AND understand why I should believe them. I have no reason to trust Pete Seeger on this issue. I'm sure he knows some guitar chords I don't, that's something else.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, you are going to have to do your own research. I have other research I need to attend to at the moment.
OK. Well, I don't actually care. This sounds like crap to me. If you want to tell me it's not, either prove it, or shut up.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Probably because of ignorant public pressure.
Damn those slave scum for speaking out against forced medication through the water supply.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's doubtful he was who he claimed he was, for a start.
How so?
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, if the book claims something that no other history book has presented to me, I'd expect it to provide citations and evidence
Which that person did.
Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps my google skills have failed me. Sure, provide me with a citation, that's all I ever ask you for.
Here is just a tiny handful. Arvid Carlsson, Nobel Laureate for Physiology or Medicine, 2000 • Vyvyan Howard, MD, PhD, Immediate Past President, International Society of Doctors for the Environment (ISDE) • Ingrid Eckerman, MD, MPH, President, Swedish Doctors for the Environment (LFM), Stockholm, Sweden • Raul Montenegro, PhD, Right Livelihood Award 2004 (known as the Alternative Nobel Prize), President of FUNAM, Professor of Evolutionary Biology, National University of Cordoba, Argentina • The current President and six past Presidents of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology • Three scientists from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Headquarters Union in Washington D.C. * William Marcus, PhD, Former chief toxicologist of the EPA Water Division, Boyds, MD • Three members of the National Research Council committee who wrote the landmark 2006 report: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards (Hardy Limeback, PhD, DDS; Robert L. Isaacson, PhD; Kathleen M. Thiessen, PhD) • The Board of Directors, American Academy of Environmental Medicine • Two advisory board members of the UK government sponsored “York Review” • Andy Harris, MD, former national president, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Salem, OR • Theo Colborn, PhD, co-author, Our Stolen Future • Lynn Margulis, PhD, a recipient of the National Medal of Science • Ken Cook and Richard Wiles, President and Executive Director, Environmental Working Group (EWG) • Ron Cummins, Director, Organic Consumers Association • Magda Aelvoet, MD, Former Minister of Public Health, Leuven, BELGIUM • Doug Everingham, former Federal Health Minister (1972-75), Australia • Peter Montague, PhD, Director of Environme
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Which that person did.
I went back and checked, he links to proof that fluoride is in the water, but no proof to any of the more outlandish claims. Certainly nothing to support the claim that the germans used fluoride to make people compliant.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Damn those slave scum for speaking out against forced medication through the water supply.
Well, no. Democracy means people can push for what they want, even if it's in ignorance.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How so?
Google it yourself. I am actually not going to be online for quite a bit of today, I have a lot of work on
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Which that person did.
Not that I could see.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Here is just a tiny handful.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Legendary folksinger, songwriter and activist, Pete Seeger
HAHAAHAHAAHAAAA !!!! OK, you have MDs in your list, but to pad it out with people like this, is ridiculous. A list of names means nothing, I want to read what they wrote, see it in context AND understand why I should believe them. I have no reason to trust Pete Seeger on this issue. I'm sure he knows some guitar chords I don't, that's something else.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, you are going to have to do your own research. I have other research I need to attend to at the moment.
OK. Well, I don't actually care. This sounds like crap to me. If you want to tell me it's not, either prove it, or shut up.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, no. Democracy means people can push for what they want, even if it's in ignorance.
You want a powerful world government to enforce worldwide communism and eugenics. You are like John Holdren.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, no. Democracy means people can push for what they want, even if it's in ignorance.
You want a powerful world government to enforce worldwide communism and eugenics. You are like John Holdren.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You want a powerful world government to enforce worldwide communism and eugenics. You are like John Holdren.
You are unlike any person I have ever met, unless you count the intellectually disabled.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You want a powerful world government to enforce worldwide communism and eugenics. You are like John Holdren.
You are unlike any person I have ever met, unless you count the intellectually disabled.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
intellectually disabled
A euphimism for Moron?
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Christian Graus wrote:
But, it's not a conspiracy, people are just complacent and dumb
That is what sodium fluoride (among the ridiculous variety of other chems we ingest) and TV does to people. Citation[^] "...In this scheme, sodium fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."
I'll have to check this with someone WHO WAS HELD BY THE NAZI. A good friend of ours, a death camp suvivor and former Israeli Ambassador, has told us a lot about conditions he PERSONALLY experienced. It's funny, but I can remember the fact that there was often no water and they ended up drinking from dirty puddles of rain water. How was that floridated? You really are a stupid little girl.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."
I'll have to check this with someone WHO WAS HELD BY THE NAZI. A good friend of ours, a death camp suvivor and former Israeli Ambassador, has told us a lot about conditions he PERSONALLY experienced. It's funny, but I can remember the fact that there was often no water and they ended up drinking from dirty puddles of rain water. How was that floridated? You really are a stupid little girl.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Well, I doubt they handed out ingredients lists with what water there was.
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Well, I doubt they handed out ingredients lists with what water there was.
When you see an insect as a meal, life is very different. I would love to see some people who complain about how hard life is try to get through a single day in the conditions suffered in the extermination camps of Nazi Europe. One fekin day!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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When you see an insect as a meal, life is very different. I would love to see some people who complain about how hard life is try to get through a single day in the conditions suffered in the extermination camps of Nazi Europe. One fekin day!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Oh definitely, but all I meant was that the victims of concentration camps are hardly likely to know or care whether there was fluoride in the water.
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When you see an insect as a meal, life is very different. I would love to see some people who complain about how hard life is try to get through a single day in the conditions suffered in the extermination camps of Nazi Europe. One fekin day!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I would love to see some people who complain about how hard life is try to get through a single day in the conditions suffered in the extermination camps of Nazi Europe.
So, when people complain about the direction we are headed to try to prevent another event of the magnitude of the holocaust, you want them to suffer and die at the hand of hardcore Nazis? YOU WOULD LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE SUFFER IN NAZI STYLE CONCENTRATION CAMPS? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? You are a wicked savage nasty cold lunatic. Bags of shit like you...:mad: You are a total waste of a human-being.
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Oh definitely, but all I meant was that the victims of concentration camps are hardly likely to know or care whether there was fluoride in the water.
I am always supprised at just how far we will go to miss a point. I realy dont understand why he bothers, he is incapable of reasoned thought and is so terminally small minded. Trying to discuss a topic with him is like juggling water
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
I would love to see some people who complain about how hard life is try to get through a single day in the conditions suffered in the extermination camps of Nazi Europe.
So, when people complain about the direction we are headed to try to prevent another event of the magnitude of the holocaust, you want them to suffer and die at the hand of hardcore Nazis? YOU WOULD LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE SUFFER IN NAZI STYLE CONCENTRATION CAMPS? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? You are a wicked savage nasty cold lunatic. Bags of shit like you...:mad: You are a total waste of a human-being.
You are so stupid it must hurt to turn a light on! If you understood English and had got past 3rd grade, you'd understand the phrasing was an example of how people complain how bad things are without realising what a great life we have compared to 60 years ago. Understand this, the holocaust happened, millions of people died. I have a friend, a God father to one of my daughters, who lived through Auschwitz-Birkenau. A family of 14 taken in, two - twin boys - survived. Not a single thing you can find on youtube will prepare you for the utter depravity of their lives. Their past, and future, was stolen by a sick regime. Now you complain about the behaviour of your president. You don't like him and you don't like the fact that the majority of your people do. If you think things are bad, remember that you will always be able to get food and clean floridated water. Be happy that you are alive. If you can't be greatful for what you have, then I recommend you find out how Europe suffered 60 years ago. Understand that is why we have the European Union, for all its faults it has kept Western Europe peaceful and prosperous. Understand that is why we have the United Nations, often ineffective but still seen as the moral arbitor in World politics.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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You are so stupid it must hurt to turn a light on! If you understood English and had got past 3rd grade, you'd understand the phrasing was an example of how people complain how bad things are without realising what a great life we have compared to 60 years ago. Understand this, the holocaust happened, millions of people died. I have a friend, a God father to one of my daughters, who lived through Auschwitz-Birkenau. A family of 14 taken in, two - twin boys - survived. Not a single thing you can find on youtube will prepare you for the utter depravity of their lives. Their past, and future, was stolen by a sick regime. Now you complain about the behaviour of your president. You don't like him and you don't like the fact that the majority of your people do. If you think things are bad, remember that you will always be able to get food and clean floridated water. Be happy that you are alive. If you can't be greatful for what you have, then I recommend you find out how Europe suffered 60 years ago. Understand that is why we have the European Union, for all its faults it has kept Western Europe peaceful and prosperous. Understand that is why we have the United Nations, often ineffective but still seen as the moral arbitor in World politics.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Nicely put.
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