A "drop in the bucket" summary of the Health Fraud Bill
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200IH/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200IH.pdf[^] Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! . Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! . Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) . Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. . Page 50:All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. . Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. . Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. . Page 65:Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) . Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. . Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) . Page 91:Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens . Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. . Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. . Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. . Page 127:The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. . Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. . Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families. . Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer thepublic option, pays an 8% tax on payroll. . Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200IH/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200IH.pdf[^] Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! . Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! . Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) . Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. . Page 50:All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. . Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. . Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. . Page 65:Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) . Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. . Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) . Page 91:Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens . Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. . Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. . Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. . Page 127:The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. . Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. . Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families. . Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer thepublic option, pays an 8% tax on payroll. . Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who
Sounds terrible. Imagine, health care might become affordable, and available to poor people. Better just to let them die, and the medical insurance and pharma companies keep you all sick and in debt, right ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Sounds terrible. Imagine, health care might become affordable, and available to poor people. Better just to let them die, and the medical insurance and pharma companies keep you all sick and in debt, right ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Well, first off I will start by saying that you get what you pay for. Plain and simple. The big pharmaceutical and insurance companies still get the money, and more so now that the government forces it from us and gives it to them. The people that get screwed are the doctors, and the people who are actually paying for it (the people). In a regular system people pay for what they want and they get to choose if they want to go to a doctor that offers this service for that for this price and so on. In the nationalized system bureaucrats determine what you get, how you get it, how much you get, and how much its going to cost. Older folk or cancer patients who might not live through treatment don't get the proper care that they need because the government has to ration out the services. It doesn't matter if they want to pay for it, they are in the nationalized system where the bureaucrats tell the doctors what care he can give his patients or else he don't get paid. Private doctors are not permitted. Once nationalized health care establishes its nasty roots, the government will have every right to dictate what we can eat, enforce mandatory vaccination, and anything else that might be health related. An addition %2.5 minimum income tax will be imposed, sugar, salt and fat taxes also. Employers will be required to provide insurance to the employees or else they will be fined %8 of their income. 40 million illegal aliens will get free care without paying the income taxes. We are not in a situation to be extending welfare, we are bankrupt. In 1965, Medicare was predicted to cost $26 billion in 2003; the actual cost that year was $245 billion. Medicare's unfunded liability currently hovers around $40 trillion. This is not the American way, I don't care if you love your socialized system. This is America and its going to have to be returned to its original status. Social Security, Medicare/aid, foodstamps all have to go, along with the Federal Reserve and the crooks who feed off of it. We let the FedRes establish itself in 1913, it and the corporations and government that grew up around it deprive us of everything we have. This Health bill is just another round of theft and power grabbing.
Fine words from a gentleman.[^]
modified on Friday, July 31, 2009 1:22 AM
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Well, first off I will start by saying that you get what you pay for. Plain and simple. The big pharmaceutical and insurance companies still get the money, and more so now that the government forces it from us and gives it to them. The people that get screwed are the doctors, and the people who are actually paying for it (the people). In a regular system people pay for what they want and they get to choose if they want to go to a doctor that offers this service for that for this price and so on. In the nationalized system bureaucrats determine what you get, how you get it, how much you get, and how much its going to cost. Older folk or cancer patients who might not live through treatment don't get the proper care that they need because the government has to ration out the services. It doesn't matter if they want to pay for it, they are in the nationalized system where the bureaucrats tell the doctors what care he can give his patients or else he don't get paid. Private doctors are not permitted. Once nationalized health care establishes its nasty roots, the government will have every right to dictate what we can eat, enforce mandatory vaccination, and anything else that might be health related. An addition %2.5 minimum income tax will be imposed, sugar, salt and fat taxes also. Employers will be required to provide insurance to the employees or else they will be fined %8 of their income. 40 million illegal aliens will get free care without paying the income taxes. We are not in a situation to be extending welfare, we are bankrupt. In 1965, Medicare was predicted to cost $26 billion in 2003; the actual cost that year was $245 billion. Medicare's unfunded liability currently hovers around $40 trillion. This is not the American way, I don't care if you love your socialized system. This is America and its going to have to be returned to its original status. Social Security, Medicare/aid, foodstamps all have to go, along with the Federal Reserve and the crooks who feed off of it. We let the FedRes establish itself in 1913, it and the corporations and government that grew up around it deprive us of everything we have. This Health bill is just another round of theft and power grabbing.
Fine words from a gentleman.[^]
modified on Friday, July 31, 2009 1:22 AM
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, first off I will start by saying that you get what you pay for. Plain and simple.
Not true. I am sure there are good doctors in the US, but the one I paid $500 would not have been allowed to practice here. Our medical care is every bit as good as the US. It's more, if you give the fox the key to the henhouse, it's not hard to guess the result.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and more so now that the government forces it from us and gives it to them
Well, they are forcing it from you now, just from your employer.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The people that get screwed are the doctors, and the people who are actually paying for it (the people).
Not sure how you figure.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In a regular system people pay for what they want and they get to choose if they want to go to a doctor that offers this service for that for this price and so on
Not really. The market chooses a price, and people who cannot pay, are allowed to die.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. In the nationalized system bureaucrats determine what you get, how you get it, how much you get, and how much its going to cost.
This remains ignorant rubbish.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Older folk or cancer patients who might not live through treatment don't get the proper care that they need because the government has to ration out the services.
More baseless fear mongering. Not true.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Private doctors are not permitted.
Really ? This system is based on Canada and not on Australia ? I have private health insurance. It costs me $200 a month for me and my family. I can afford it, and it does give me faster access to care. We have a two tiered system. The rich are still better off, in some ways, but everyone has access to a good standard of care.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Once nationalized health care establishes its nasty roots, the government will have every right to dictate what we can eat, enforce mandatory vaccination, and anything else that might be health related.
More ignorant BS. Has that happened, ANYWHERE in
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, first off I will start by saying that you get what you pay for. Plain and simple.
Not true. I am sure there are good doctors in the US, but the one I paid $500 would not have been allowed to practice here. Our medical care is every bit as good as the US. It's more, if you give the fox the key to the henhouse, it's not hard to guess the result.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and more so now that the government forces it from us and gives it to them
Well, they are forcing it from you now, just from your employer.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The people that get screwed are the doctors, and the people who are actually paying for it (the people).
Not sure how you figure.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In a regular system people pay for what they want and they get to choose if they want to go to a doctor that offers this service for that for this price and so on
Not really. The market chooses a price, and people who cannot pay, are allowed to die.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. In the nationalized system bureaucrats determine what you get, how you get it, how much you get, and how much its going to cost.
This remains ignorant rubbish.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Older folk or cancer patients who might not live through treatment don't get the proper care that they need because the government has to ration out the services.
More baseless fear mongering. Not true.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Private doctors are not permitted.
Really ? This system is based on Canada and not on Australia ? I have private health insurance. It costs me $200 a month for me and my family. I can afford it, and it does give me faster access to care. We have a two tiered system. The rich are still better off, in some ways, but everyone has access to a good standard of care.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Once nationalized health care establishes its nasty roots, the government will have every right to dictate what we can eat, enforce mandatory vaccination, and anything else that might be health related.
More ignorant BS. Has that happened, ANYWHERE in
Christian Graus wrote:
I am sure there are good doctors in the US, but the one I paid $500 would not have been allowed to practice here
Well, mine only costs me 40 dollar for a regular visit without any testing.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, they are forcing it from you now, just from your employer.
Not quite, because I don't get the benefit of it anyways. Besides, I'm against welfare to begin with. Just because they do it now that doesn't mean I want to let them to do it more.
Christian Graus wrote:
Not sure how you figure.
We have to pay regardless if we receive services or not. As of now we have a choice as to whether we want to buy health insurance or pay as you go.
Christian Graus wrote:
Not really. The market chooses a price, and people who cannot pay, are allowed to die.
Well, if you can't afford to pay the doctors for their services, then I guess you don't get the services. Nobody is entitled to free goods and services.
Christian Graus wrote:
Really ?
Yes.
Christian Graus wrote:
This remains ignorant rubbish.
Read the bill.
Christian Graus wrote:
More baseless fear mongering. Not true.
Read the bill.
Christian Graus wrote:
More ignorant BS. Has that happened
READ THE BILL!
Christian Graus wrote:
Not sure about sugar/salt/fat taxes ( could be true, I don't know ), but, of course, any national system is based on shared risk, like any insurance.
This isn't and isn't going to be communist russia. We wont tolerate this trash. I want to be able to keep what I earn and make something of myself. I don't want welfare sucking the economy down. I don't want to live in a nanny state tyranny. We killed the British to get away from this.
Christian Graus wrote:
I thought employers provided insurance now ?
Only if they want to. People don't ahve to buy insurance if they don't want.
Christian Graus wrote:
True - the American way is to kill or be ki
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Christian Graus wrote:
I am sure there are good doctors in the US, but the one I paid $500 would not have been allowed to practice here
Well, mine only costs me 40 dollar for a regular visit without any testing.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, they are forcing it from you now, just from your employer.
Not quite, because I don't get the benefit of it anyways. Besides, I'm against welfare to begin with. Just because they do it now that doesn't mean I want to let them to do it more.
Christian Graus wrote:
Not sure how you figure.
We have to pay regardless if we receive services or not. As of now we have a choice as to whether we want to buy health insurance or pay as you go.
Christian Graus wrote:
Not really. The market chooses a price, and people who cannot pay, are allowed to die.
Well, if you can't afford to pay the doctors for their services, then I guess you don't get the services. Nobody is entitled to free goods and services.
Christian Graus wrote:
Really ?
Yes.
Christian Graus wrote:
This remains ignorant rubbish.
Read the bill.
Christian Graus wrote:
More baseless fear mongering. Not true.
Read the bill.
Christian Graus wrote:
More ignorant BS. Has that happened
READ THE BILL!
Christian Graus wrote:
Not sure about sugar/salt/fat taxes ( could be true, I don't know ), but, of course, any national system is based on shared risk, like any insurance.
This isn't and isn't going to be communist russia. We wont tolerate this trash. I want to be able to keep what I earn and make something of myself. I don't want welfare sucking the economy down. I don't want to live in a nanny state tyranny. We killed the British to get away from this.
Christian Graus wrote:
I thought employers provided insurance now ?
Only if they want to. People don't ahve to buy insurance if they don't want.
Christian Graus wrote:
True - the American way is to kill or be ki
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We have to pay regardless if we receive services or not. As of now we have a choice as to whether we want to buy health insurance or pay as you go.
No, a lot of people have no choice at all, health insurance is super expensive, and so is care.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, if you can't afford to pay the doctors for their services, then I guess you don't get the services. Nobody is entitled to free goods and services.
Well, that depends. Are we creating a society here, or just letting people fight it out ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200IH/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200IH.pdf[^] Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! . Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! . Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) . Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. . Page 50:All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. . Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. . Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. . Page 65:Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) . Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. . Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) . Page 91:Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens . Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. . Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. . Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. . Page 127:The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. . Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. . Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families. . Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer thepublic option, pays an 8% tax on payroll. . Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who
I'm confused by this. How does this fit into your gay agenda? Will they be getting sex-ed in the back door? I'm sure you'd enjoy having it come in that way!
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