Media synchronicity and cynical manipulation by environmentalism. [moved]
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Sounds good to me.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It isn't that hard to grow your own food and pull water from a well.
You need to go get an education, India's water table has gone from 6 foot to 63 foot in 35 years.
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Hmm, I don't know that, but I know our population continues to grow at a scary rate. Already, ~17% of the world's population is living in < 3% of the land area. The monsoon has been a complete failure this year and food security is pretty bad. Not to mention last year's inflation - a kilo of rice cost me Rs. 20 last May. Last August, it was Rs. 28 and now it's Rs. 36. :omg: For the last time, there is no D in privilege. Get your bloody spelling right before you get outraged over the Americans correcting you.
Cheers, Vikram. (Proud to have finally cracked a CCC!)
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Carpe Diem.
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So both the BBC and Sky news channels come out with exactly the same story, and, bizarely, run it at exactly the same time. The story is about food sustainability and how we all "take our food for granted" and that in the future we will all have to cut back. Heres the BBC link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/andrew_marr_show/8192100.stm[^] and Sky link: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Food-Assessment-Hilary-Benn-Warning-As-Says-We-Need-To-Grown-Our-Own-Food/Article/200908215357408?f=rss[^] (Ammusingly, the govt is considering banning 'buy one get one free' offers in order to reduce waste. Dear oh fucking christ. This really is where socialism tends towards utter loonacy) Apart froom this being yet another blanket blast from the enviros hitting all the media channels with exactly the same story, showing how uncritical the media is, especiallty when it comes to environmental scare stories, but also how environmantalists stive to continuously maintain the fear level in the public mind. Heres a few snippets of idiocy form the said envirnmental minister. Clearly someone of limited mental stature: "Last year the world had a wake-up call with the sudden oil and food price rises," he said. Yes, the prices went up because of speculation over the use of food as fuel. A speculation driven by environmentalists constant request for sustainable fuel. Keep burining coal annd oil and there's no wake up call. "While we know the price of our food, the full environmental costs and the costs to our health are significant and hidden." How does he know they are significant if they are hidden? "We need a radical re-think of how we produce and consume our food." Yes, we deffinitely need to consume our food more in the form of a curry! Clearly more verbal idiocy. "Globally we need to cut emissions and adapt to the changing climate that will alter what we can grow and where we can grow it." Bingo! This expains everything.
One would have to be incredibly stupid to not wonder at some point how we as a species are hoping to feed an ever growing number of people, as well as housing them, using a finite amount of farmland. And, of course, the stupidity of corn based biofuel is also hurting the ability of farmers to provide adequate food. Fact is, if we throw half our food out ( as I read here in NZ this week ), it's GOOD news in the short term, instead of farming more land, we can focus on lowering waste, for example, by feeding it to pigs to make more food out of it.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
More than you will ever manage.
Where do you get off telling others that there are too many people yet you are contributing to the problem?
You're not starting this ignorant crap again, are you ? Leave discussion on population to people who have at least some chance of breeding, OK ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Funny how no-one is running with the real problem of food security, namely TOO MANY PEOPLE! Britainwould be almost completely self sufficient if it could lose 10 Million Mouths. Easily done, Get rid of the Welfare state. Stop Immigration. Hand out condoms to the denizens of Sink Estates. This would be good for Britain and good for the world. We need a world wide reduction in population of about 2 Billion. That would make water and food sustainable, and eke out the reducing resources for a lot longer. Water will be the next War. India is in trouble, Egypt says any attempt to dam either Lake Victoria or The Nile would be an act of War and Mexico is complaining about plans the US have for taking more water from the Rio Grand.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
Get rid of the Welfare state
Amen
Dalek Dave wrote:
Hand out condoms to the denizens of Sink Estates
Amen. Stopping welfare would mean they would actually use them.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Water will be the next War
Yes, I believe that, too.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Norm .net wrote:
The one big factor would be reduce the worlds population, but nobody dare mention the fact - scary.
Lots of people have. One being John P Holdren (Obama's science and tech adviser). He co-authored a book called Ecoscience: saying that we need to add sterilizers to the the water and staple foods, enforce mandatory abortions of people who have more than one child, and raise all children in government dormitories because families aren't effective at raising children anymore. He said we need to start spraying the atmosphere with metals and chemicals to cool the earth. He is insane. It is a well known fact that the globalists in power want to reduce the world's population by a significant number, however, anyone who believes that is a good idea doesn't comprehend the hellish life we all face if we allow a bunch of psychopaths to cull humans. I don't think we have too many people, but if we ever reach a point were we can't sustain ourselves, well I will be growing my own food while I watch all the city yuppies run around in circles. It isn't that hard to grow your own food and pull water from a well.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He co-authored a book called Ecoscience: saying that we need to add sterilizers to the the water and staple foods, enforce mandatory abortions of people who have more than one child, and raise all children in government dormitories because families aren't effective at raising children anymore. He said we need to start spraying the atmosphere with metals and chemicals to cool the earth. He is insane.
Your proven literacy problems mean I'll read the book before I assume this is true. But, if it is, it does not mean that every person who talks about population control, believes all of these things.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is a well known fact that the globalists in power want to reduce the world's population by a significant number, however, anyone who believes that is a good idea doesn't comprehend the hellish life we all face if we allow a bunch of psychopaths to cull humans.
This is your usual conspiracy crap. 'well known fact' ? BS.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't think we have too many people
Your ignorance is a whole other thread.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
but if we ever reach a point were we can't sustain ourselves, well I will be growing my own food while I watch all the city yuppies run around in circles. It isn't that hard to grow your own food and pull water from a well.
You don't think if it comes to that, they won't come looking for your food and water, with those guns you love so much ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
He co-authored a book called Ecoscience: saying that we need to add sterilizers to the the water and staple foods, enforce mandatory abortions of people who have more than one child, and raise all children in government dormitories because families aren't effective at raising children anymore. He said we need to start spraying the atmosphere with metals and chemicals to cool the earth. He is insane.
Your proven literacy problems mean I'll read the book before I assume this is true. But, if it is, it does not mean that every person who talks about population control, believes all of these things.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is a well known fact that the globalists in power want to reduce the world's population by a significant number, however, anyone who believes that is a good idea doesn't comprehend the hellish life we all face if we allow a bunch of psychopaths to cull humans.
This is your usual conspiracy crap. 'well known fact' ? BS.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't think we have too many people
Your ignorance is a whole other thread.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
but if we ever reach a point were we can't sustain ourselves, well I will be growing my own food while I watch all the city yuppies run around in circles. It isn't that hard to grow your own food and pull water from a well.
You don't think if it comes to that, they won't come looking for your food and water, with those guns you love so much ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'll read the book before I assume this is true.
I got news for you. Its absolute fact that John P Holdren wrote those things in his book, I have nothing to gain by lying, I have everything to gain by telling the truth and getting the word out. You wont read the book, you wont even google it. You simply huff as you smugly look away. Its disgusting.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is your usual conspiracy crap. 'well known fact' ? BS.
You continually show your pure untethered weakness. You are afraid to see that there are evil people who are addicted to power and like to kill as many people as they can. Sad thing is, by supporting population control (which is codeword for raw power and massive genocide) you become evil.
Christian Graus wrote:
You don't think if it comes to that, they won't come looking for your food and water, with those guns you love so much ?
In a community of well-fed survivalists and gun owners, there are well trained militias to protect our lands with out own currency (gold and silver) and laws (constitution). If a bunch of starving people are aimlessly wandering around looking for food, most of them would die off before they even got the chance to attack and are probably too weak to even aim correctly. An army cant survive without food and water.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'll read the book before I assume this is true.
I got news for you. Its absolute fact that John P Holdren wrote those things in his book, I have nothing to gain by lying, I have everything to gain by telling the truth and getting the word out. You wont read the book, you wont even google it. You simply huff as you smugly look away. Its disgusting.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is your usual conspiracy crap. 'well known fact' ? BS.
You continually show your pure untethered weakness. You are afraid to see that there are evil people who are addicted to power and like to kill as many people as they can. Sad thing is, by supporting population control (which is codeword for raw power and massive genocide) you become evil.
Christian Graus wrote:
You don't think if it comes to that, they won't come looking for your food and water, with those guns you love so much ?
In a community of well-fed survivalists and gun owners, there are well trained militias to protect our lands with out own currency (gold and silver) and laws (constitution). If a bunch of starving people are aimlessly wandering around looking for food, most of them would die off before they even got the chance to attack and are probably too weak to even aim correctly. An army cant survive without food and water.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I have nothing to gain by lying, I have everything to gain by telling the truth and getting the word out.
You're not lying, any more than you're lying when you say untrue things about me. You're just illiterate.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are afraid to see that there are evil people who are addicted to power and like to kill as many people as they can.
The only thing I fear, is the thought of you breeding and making more like you.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
population control (which is codeword for raw power and massive genocide)
See ? There you go again. You are illiterate. You say things that make no sense, and you can't even tell how dumb they are.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In a community of well-fed survivalists and gun owners, there are well trained militias to protect our lands with out own currency (gold and silver) and laws (constitution). If a bunch of starving people are aimlessly wandering around looking for food, most of them would die off before they even got the chance to attack and are probably too weak to even aim correctly. An army cant survive without food and water.
Another fantasy. you think they will be 'wandering around' and 'weakened', they will wait for that point before they arm up and come to find more food ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I have nothing to gain by lying, I have everything to gain by telling the truth and getting the word out.
You're not lying, any more than you're lying when you say untrue things about me. You're just illiterate.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are afraid to see that there are evil people who are addicted to power and like to kill as many people as they can.
The only thing I fear, is the thought of you breeding and making more like you.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
population control (which is codeword for raw power and massive genocide)
See ? There you go again. You are illiterate. You say things that make no sense, and you can't even tell how dumb they are.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In a community of well-fed survivalists and gun owners, there are well trained militias to protect our lands with out own currency (gold and silver) and laws (constitution). If a bunch of starving people are aimlessly wandering around looking for food, most of them would die off before they even got the chance to attack and are probably too weak to even aim correctly. An army cant survive without food and water.
Another fantasy. you think they will be 'wandering around' and 'weakened', they will wait for that point before they arm up and come to find more food ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
You're not lying
I know that. I actually read the pages in his book. You and him would be the best of friends.
Christian Graus wrote:
The only thing I fear, is the thought of you breeding and making more like you.
I see, you are on the side of evil power, and you want to put an end to people who stand up for individual sovereignty. You said communism is a good idea, even though it is easily exploited, and that eugenics is good. If that is not the case, then what is?
Christian Graus wrote:
Another fantasy.
Perhaps to you and the like, you are too domesticated to comprehend it. You huff and puff at the prospect of monosodium gludimate fluoride head debt-slaves rebelling against the elitists and becoming their own nation state.
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So both the BBC and Sky news channels come out with exactly the same story, and, bizarely, run it at exactly the same time. The story is about food sustainability and how we all "take our food for granted" and that in the future we will all have to cut back. Heres the BBC link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/andrew_marr_show/8192100.stm[^] and Sky link: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Food-Assessment-Hilary-Benn-Warning-As-Says-We-Need-To-Grown-Our-Own-Food/Article/200908215357408?f=rss[^] (Ammusingly, the govt is considering banning 'buy one get one free' offers in order to reduce waste. Dear oh fucking christ. This really is where socialism tends towards utter loonacy) Apart froom this being yet another blanket blast from the enviros hitting all the media channels with exactly the same story, showing how uncritical the media is, especiallty when it comes to environmental scare stories, but also how environmantalists stive to continuously maintain the fear level in the public mind. Heres a few snippets of idiocy form the said envirnmental minister. Clearly someone of limited mental stature: "Last year the world had a wake-up call with the sudden oil and food price rises," he said. Yes, the prices went up because of speculation over the use of food as fuel. A speculation driven by environmentalists constant request for sustainable fuel. Keep burining coal annd oil and there's no wake up call. "While we know the price of our food, the full environmental costs and the costs to our health are significant and hidden." How does he know they are significant if they are hidden? "We need a radical re-think of how we produce and consume our food." Yes, we deffinitely need to consume our food more in the form of a curry! Clearly more verbal idiocy. "Globally we need to cut emissions and adapt to the changing climate that will alter what we can grow and where we can grow it." Bingo! This expains everything.
fat_boy wrote:
(Ammusingly, the govt is considering banning 'buy one get one free' offers in order to reduce waste. Dear oh f***ing christ. This really is where socialism tends towards utter loonacy)
Everything about socialism tends toward utter lunacy ... on a good day. On a not-so-good day, it tends toward windrows of corpses.
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You're singing from the same Hymn Book as myself. The one big factor would be reduce the worlds population, but nobody dare mention the fact - scary.
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And yet China has had such a policy for 30 years - didn't seem to work.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Christian Graus wrote:
You're not lying
I know that. I actually read the pages in his book. You and him would be the best of friends.
Christian Graus wrote:
The only thing I fear, is the thought of you breeding and making more like you.
I see, you are on the side of evil power, and you want to put an end to people who stand up for individual sovereignty. You said communism is a good idea, even though it is easily exploited, and that eugenics is good. If that is not the case, then what is?
Christian Graus wrote:
Another fantasy.
Perhaps to you and the like, you are too domesticated to comprehend it. You huff and puff at the prospect of monosodium gludimate fluoride head debt-slaves rebelling against the elitists and becoming their own nation state.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: You're not lying I know that.
You're just not telling the truth. Only your illiteracy makes this possible.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
you are on the side of evil power, and you want to put an end to people who stand up for individual sovereignty
See what I mean ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You said communism is a good idea, even though it is easily exploited
Yes, a community caring for all it's members IS a good idea, on paper.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and that eugenics is good
I have never said that in any way. You're just illiterate ( see point 1 )
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You huff and puff at the prospect of monosodium gludimate fluoride head debt-slaves rebelling against the elitists and becoming their own nation state.
I am still trying to work out how you think this makes sense.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: You're not lying I know that.
You're just not telling the truth. Only your illiteracy makes this possible.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
you are on the side of evil power, and you want to put an end to people who stand up for individual sovereignty
See what I mean ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You said communism is a good idea, even though it is easily exploited
Yes, a community caring for all it's members IS a good idea, on paper.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and that eugenics is good
I have never said that in any way. You're just illiterate ( see point 1 )
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You huff and puff at the prospect of monosodium gludimate fluoride head debt-slaves rebelling against the elitists and becoming their own nation state.
I am still trying to work out how you think this makes sense.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
You're just not telling the truth.
Pure unadulterated BS. I have posted a small handful of quotations in an above thread.
Christian Graus wrote:
The only thing I fear, is the thought of you breeding and making more like you. See what I mean ?
See what I mean?
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, a community caring for all it's members IS a good idea, on paper.
That is not what communism is about. Communism is the abolishment of personal property, individual rights, and individual sovereignty, for the enslavement of the population by the powerful central planners who dominate and molest the people until the society collapses under the unnatural pressure of illogical ideologies. In simpler terms, it is hell on earth.
Christian Graus wrote:
I have never said that in any way.
Yes you have, and you will say it over and over...
Christian Graus wrote:
I am still trying to work out how you think this makes sense.
You are an idiot! :laugh:
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Christian Graus wrote:
You're just not telling the truth.
Pure unadulterated BS. I have posted a small handful of quotations in an above thread.
Christian Graus wrote:
The only thing I fear, is the thought of you breeding and making more like you. See what I mean ?
See what I mean?
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, a community caring for all it's members IS a good idea, on paper.
That is not what communism is about. Communism is the abolishment of personal property, individual rights, and individual sovereignty, for the enslavement of the population by the powerful central planners who dominate and molest the people until the society collapses under the unnatural pressure of illogical ideologies. In simpler terms, it is hell on earth.
Christian Graus wrote:
I have never said that in any way.
Yes you have, and you will say it over and over...
Christian Graus wrote:
I am still trying to work out how you think this makes sense.
You are an idiot! :laugh:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: You're just not telling the truth. Pure unadulterated BS. I have posted a small handful of quotations in an above thread.
I meant when you talk about me.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is not what communism is about.
Really ? Well, communism was embraced by the working classes 100 years ago,because that's precisely what it was about.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In simpler terms, it is hell on earth.
You are an idiot.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Yes you have, and you will say it over and over...
And, you are illiterate. Not my fault.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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And yet China has had such a policy for 30 years - didn't seem to work.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Maybe time for a world war, that should cull the numbers.
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Maybe time for a world war, that should cull the numbers.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was. This time nuclear. I won't be fighting in it, but my kids probably will be. When people talk about passing on debt to future generations maybe they should start thinking about more than just passing on monetary debt. Wars are decades in the making.
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So both the BBC and Sky news channels come out with exactly the same story, and, bizarely, run it at exactly the same time. The story is about food sustainability and how we all "take our food for granted" and that in the future we will all have to cut back. Heres the BBC link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/andrew_marr_show/8192100.stm[^] and Sky link: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Food-Assessment-Hilary-Benn-Warning-As-Says-We-Need-To-Grown-Our-Own-Food/Article/200908215357408?f=rss[^] (Ammusingly, the govt is considering banning 'buy one get one free' offers in order to reduce waste. Dear oh fucking christ. This really is where socialism tends towards utter loonacy) Apart froom this being yet another blanket blast from the enviros hitting all the media channels with exactly the same story, showing how uncritical the media is, especiallty when it comes to environmental scare stories, but also how environmantalists stive to continuously maintain the fear level in the public mind. Heres a few snippets of idiocy form the said envirnmental minister. Clearly someone of limited mental stature: "Last year the world had a wake-up call with the sudden oil and food price rises," he said. Yes, the prices went up because of speculation over the use of food as fuel. A speculation driven by environmentalists constant request for sustainable fuel. Keep burining coal annd oil and there's no wake up call. "While we know the price of our food, the full environmental costs and the costs to our health are significant and hidden." How does he know they are significant if they are hidden? "We need a radical re-think of how we produce and consume our food." Yes, we deffinitely need to consume our food more in the form of a curry! Clearly more verbal idiocy. "Globally we need to cut emissions and adapt to the changing climate that will alter what we can grow and where we can grow it." Bingo! This expains everything.
Come to soapbox 1.0[^] and no-one will throw you to the trolls. ;)
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was. This time nuclear. I won't be fighting in it, but my kids probably will be. When people talk about passing on debt to future generations maybe they should start thinking about more than just passing on monetary debt. Wars are decades in the making.
wolfbinary wrote:
I won't be fighting in it, but my kids probably will be.
I doubt there'll be any fighting, a few buttons pressed and we can kiss all our asses good bye.
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Funny how no-one is running with the real problem of food security, namely TOO MANY PEOPLE! Britainwould be almost completely self sufficient if it could lose 10 Million Mouths. Easily done, Get rid of the Welfare state. Stop Immigration. Hand out condoms to the denizens of Sink Estates. This would be good for Britain and good for the world. We need a world wide reduction in population of about 2 Billion. That would make water and food sustainable, and eke out the reducing resources for a lot longer. Water will be the next War. India is in trouble, Egypt says any attempt to dam either Lake Victoria or The Nile would be an act of War and Mexico is complaining about plans the US have for taking more water from the Rio Grand.
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Oh come on! Dont play the old 'the worlds overpopulated and going to shit' scare tactic! Thats been tried and found basless many times before. Fact is with land set aside, vast food mountains, and industrial production we can easially feed ourselves in Europe. Add the less that 2 kids per couple breeing rate and hence a falling population then even more so in the future! As for imigration, bul. You are an imigrant. If not of Norman, then of Saxon, and if not of Saxon of Celtic stock. And they came from near India originally.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Water will be the next War
Stop reading tabloid scare stories and start using your brain.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription