Fix one thing
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Yet faith be definition prevents my thing from ever being 'fixed'
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
Noone ever said it had to be in any way likely or achievable!!
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Christian Graus wrote:
If all I had to go on was the harm that false religion does to the world, I'd probably agree.
I don't deny that there are many benefits to religion but they are out weighed by the harm it causes. In my opinion there are only false religions.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
Josh Gray wrote:
In my opinion there are only false religions.
Obviously.
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Josh Gray wrote:
In my opinion there are only false religions.
Obviously.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Josh Gray wrote: In my opinion there are only false religions. Obviously.
So if you see the detrimental effects of what you consider false religions do you similarly see detrimental effects of atheism?
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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Christian Graus wrote:
Josh Gray wrote: In my opinion there are only false religions. Obviously.
So if you see the detrimental effects of what you consider false religions do you similarly see detrimental effects of atheism?
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
Josh Gray wrote:
So if you see the detrimental effects of what you consider false religions do you similarly see detrimental effects of atheism?
Yes. Falling moral standards, as one would expect from any system left to atrophy with no external source to maintain it, and, obviously, death. That's just off the top of my head :-)
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Football games. I'd fix football games. :-D Naw, I guess I'd go with overpopulation, too. :)
LunaticFringe wrote:
Naw, I guess I'd go with overpopulation, too.
Holocausts are fun right? You must like totalitarianism.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Naw, I guess I'd go with overpopulation, too.
Holocausts are fun right? You must like totalitarianism.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Holocausts are fun right?
Depends on which side of the gas-chamber you are on...
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Holocausts are fun right?
Depends on which side of the gas-chamber you are on...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Depends on which side of the gas-chamber you are on...
So you like murder?
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Depends on which side of the gas-chamber you are on...
So you like murder?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you like murder?
Depends which side of the gun/knife/bomb/whatever you are on...
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Naw, I guess I'd go with overpopulation, too.
Holocausts are fun right? You must like totalitarianism.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Holocausts are fun right? You must like totalitarianism.
Actually, no-one said how we'd solve overpopulation. In a world of magic, the ideal way would be to create a way to generate enough food and energy for everyone. It's only if that's not possible, that the options are obliteration, and some sort of population control.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you like murder?
Depends which side of the gun/knife/bomb/whatever you are on...
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You're a very naughty boy....
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Why are you sorry?
Well if I asked the question Christian did and someone responded with something that was central to my life I'd probably be a little put out. I know he's got thick skin but I've been bitten to many times by seemingly rational people having what appear to me an irrational response when their religion is brought into question.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
I remember years ago when I was moving to Texas, a friend advised me no matter what or how rational someone seemed, to never, never discuss religion with them. :rolleyes:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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I remember years ago when I was moving to Texas, a friend advised me no matter what or how rational someone seemed, to never, never discuss religion with them. :rolleyes:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
I remember years ago when I was moving to Texas, a friend advised me no matter what or how rational someone seemed, to never, never discuss religion with them. Roll eyes
My dad gave me some good advice. He said there are only three reasons you can loose a mate, a girl, money or religion. But then again he also told me not to trust people with a first name for a last name :)
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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That's fine. If all I had to go on was the harm that false religion does to the world, I'd probably agree.
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Christian Graus wrote:
If all I had to go on was the harm that false religion does to the world, I'd probably agree.
And, of course, you're the arbiter of what is a false religion. As I recall, you don't believe Catholics are Christians even though they had a monopoly on it for 1500 years and you couldn't even begin to call yourself a Christian if not for them.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Josh Gray wrote:
So if you see the detrimental effects of what you consider false religions do you similarly see detrimental effects of atheism?
Yes. Falling moral standards, as one would expect from any system left to atrophy with no external source to maintain it, and, obviously, death. That's just off the top of my head :-)
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes. Falling moral standards, as one would expect from any system left to atrophy with no external source to maintain it, and, obviously, death. That's just off the top
:laugh: Of course, you couldn't see it as a result of your religion failing to provide what it advertises in the face of everything reasonable that people now have access to. Morals are relative. I suspect yours don't meet the muster of a lot of (so called) Christians.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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You're a very naughty boy....
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Well I'm not the messiah!!
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes. Falling moral standards, as one would expect from any system left to atrophy with no external source to maintain it, and, obviously, death. That's just off the top
:laugh: Of course, you couldn't see it as a result of your religion failing to provide what it advertises in the face of everything reasonable that people now have access to. Morals are relative. I suspect yours don't meet the muster of a lot of (so called) Christians.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
Of course, you couldn't see it as a result of your religion failing to provide what it advertises in the face of everything reasonable that people now have access to.
Of course not. Because it provides everything as advertised.
Tim Craig wrote:
Morals are relative.
I suppose they are, in the absence of any external force, they have to be.
Tim Craig wrote:
I suspect yours don't meet the muster of a lot of (so called) Christians.
Perhaps, although it would surprise me if that were so, or, at least if they could defend why they felt I didn't 'meet muster' from the Bible, and not from their own ideas.
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Christian Graus wrote:
If all I had to go on was the harm that false religion does to the world, I'd probably agree.
And, of course, you're the arbiter of what is a false religion. As I recall, you don't believe Catholics are Christians even though they had a monopoly on it for 1500 years and you couldn't even begin to call yourself a Christian if not for them.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
And, of course, you're the arbiter of what is a false religion
No. God is.
Tim Craig wrote:
As I recall, you don't believe Catholics are Christians even though they had a monopoly on it for 1500 years and you couldn't even begin to call yourself a Christian if not for them.
Well, Catholics don't believe what the Bible says, they believe what the Pope has invented. Yes, in the mainstream, they were the only game in town for a long time. I am not sure if I believe that there were actually no Christians in that time frame, but the core issue is simply that you don't care what the bible says, or who is a Christian. So, there's really no frame of reference I could hope to use to discuss it with you.
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I remember years ago when I was moving to Texas, a friend advised me no matter what or how rational someone seemed, to never, never discuss religion with them. :rolleyes:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Probably good advice, in Texas.
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Tim Craig wrote:
And, of course, you're the arbiter of what is a false religion
No. God is.
Tim Craig wrote:
As I recall, you don't believe Catholics are Christians even though they had a monopoly on it for 1500 years and you couldn't even begin to call yourself a Christian if not for them.
Well, Catholics don't believe what the Bible says, they believe what the Pope has invented. Yes, in the mainstream, they were the only game in town for a long time. I am not sure if I believe that there were actually no Christians in that time frame, but the core issue is simply that you don't care what the bible says, or who is a Christian. So, there's really no frame of reference I could hope to use to discuss it with you.
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While we are talking about religion... I am still undecided on whether there is a god or not. I have not read all of the bible, but do get lost right at the start. From someone who does believe, can you tell me, am I right in saying that we are here with a lot of suffering in the world because a lady ate an apple when she wasn't supposed to, or am I missing something? I might be really stupid, but isn't that what the bible say's? Maybe I need to read more :)
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While we are talking about religion... I am still undecided on whether there is a god or not. I have not read all of the bible, but do get lost right at the start. From someone who does believe, can you tell me, am I right in saying that we are here with a lot of suffering in the world because a lady ate an apple when she wasn't supposed to, or am I missing something? I might be really stupid, but isn't that what the bible say's? Maybe I need to read more :)
rickyjos wrote:
I have not read all of the bible, but do get lost right at the start.
Yeah, I had the same problem as a kid. The issue is, the New Testament tells the story of who Jesus was, and what the church is about. The Old Testament ( so, starting with Genesis ), starts as the story of Israel and soon starts listing lots of arcane laws that don't apply to God's people today. If you want to read the Bible, a better place to start is Matthew. The four gospels tell four versions of the story of Jesus life, so there's some overlap, but some stories unique to each book. Acts explains how the church was started. The books after that, are written to the church, so it's a common mistake to read Romans, which is written to Christians, and not understand what made those words apply to the people reading them ( they had done what the people in Acts 2 did, with the same result, they had external evidence of God in their life ).
rickyjos wrote:
From someone who does believe, can you tell me, am I right in saying that we are here with a lot of suffering in the world because a lady ate an apple when she wasn't supposed to, or am I missing something?
Adam and Eve were not the first humans, but they were the start of God dealing with people. No, it's not true that there would be no suffering in the world if not for Eve. It's more true to say that Adam and Eve proved that man could not follow God, at that time. That's what all of the Old Testament is about, and what Jesus came to rectify.
rickyjos wrote:
I might be really stupid, but isn't that what the bible say's? Maybe I need to read more Smile
No, it's a fair question. The things to get about Adam and Eve are 1 - they were not the first humans 2 - they lived at a time where it was not possible to be 'saved'
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