Press For Truth coverage of H1N1 vaccinations in Toronto
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
References to scientific literature are scattered throughout her documents.[^]
So you've not read any scientific literature ? You assume she has, that she understands them, and that she's quoting them in the right context ? In other words, you have nothing.
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From her biography ... [quote] (1) An internationally renowned expert in alternative medicine. (2) She received her medical training at Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. (3) An alternative medicine researcher and highly sought after for her ability to present scientific information regarding vaccination hazards. OsteoMed II offers hope through unique treatment methods for those who have been vaccine-injured. (4) She and a partner opened OsteoMed, a medical practice in Findlay limited to the specialty of osteopathic manipulative medicine. In 1996, Dr. Tenpenny moved to Strongsville, Ohio, and opened OsteoMed II, expanding her practice to include traditional, complementary and preventive medicine. [/quote] Henize, although she is Certified in Emergency Medicine, she specializes in alternative medicine to the point where she pushes her OsteoMed herbal products. And in my response to you I commented I did NOT want any of Uncle Alex's Conspiracy c**p, alas that is what you did provided with this lady, she has appeared alongside Uncle Alex furthering conspiracy c**p. Henize, I reject this person for the reasons stated above.
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From her biography ... [quote] (1) An internationally renowned expert in alternative medicine. (2) She received her medical training at Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. (3) An alternative medicine researcher and highly sought after for her ability to present scientific information regarding vaccination hazards. OsteoMed II offers hope through unique treatment methods for those who have been vaccine-injured. (4) She and a partner opened OsteoMed, a medical practice in Findlay limited to the specialty of osteopathic manipulative medicine. In 1996, Dr. Tenpenny moved to Strongsville, Ohio, and opened OsteoMed II, expanding her practice to include traditional, complementary and preventive medicine. [/quote] Henize, although she is Certified in Emergency Medicine, she specializes in alternative medicine to the point where she pushes her OsteoMed herbal products. And in my response to you I commented I did NOT want any of Uncle Alex's Conspiracy c**p, alas that is what you did provided with this lady, she has appeared alongside Uncle Alex furthering conspiracy c**p. Henize, I reject this person for the reasons stated above.
You are sorely mistaken in your irrational judgments.
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You are sorely mistaken in your irrational judgments.
"An alternative medicine researcher and highly sought after for her ability to present scientific information regarding vaccination hazards. OsteoMed II offers hope through unique treatment methods for those who have been vaccine-injured." You'd have to be stupid to think this is an independent observer. She's a quack, selling quack medicines.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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"An alternative medicine researcher and highly sought after for her ability to present scientific information regarding vaccination hazards. OsteoMed II offers hope through unique treatment methods for those who have been vaccine-injured." You'd have to be stupid to think this is an independent observer. She's a quack, selling quack medicines.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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You are sorely mistaken in your irrational judgments.
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Then provide me with other sources who have not been corrupted by any conspiracy theory irrespective if it is Alex Jones, or thosr 9/11 merchants, etc. In other words, those who have had articles published in recognized scientific journals.
Your stereotypical prejudices are misplaced. She is more educated than you, who are you to disregard her extensive education and experience? The facts are right there for you to look at, are you saying that people who are permanently injured or killed by vaccines are irrelevant and insignificant?
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Christian Graus wrote:
You'd have to be stupid to think this is an independent observer. She's a quack, selling quack medicines.
I would not have used quite those words, but, you are, IMO, correct in your assumptions.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
IMO
In your worthless stereotypical prejudice bigoted opinion.
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So some guy with a TV camera and microphone claims to be press but then refuses to show his ID when challenged; what does he have to hide? The selectivity of this report is exactly the same as the "government misinformation" it claims to expose. What a load of rubbish!
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
refuses to show his ID when challenged; what does he have to hide?
His name, his address, his ID number, and everything that can be gathered from it. Such as health records, vehicle registrations, income, assets, legal matters, employers, tax records, school records, and family members and their (everything listed).
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Your stereotypical prejudices are misplaced. She is more educated than you, who are you to disregard her extensive education and experience? The facts are right there for you to look at, are you saying that people who are permanently injured or killed by vaccines are irrelevant and insignificant?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The facts are right there for you to look at, are you saying that people who are permanently injured or killed by vaccines are irrelevant and insignificant?
This is deliberate ignorance on your part. The link to autism for example ( as mentioned on her site ) is pure BS. Autism is not something you can catch, it's inate in your brain structure.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your stereotypical prejudices are misplaced
The reason it's 'stereotypical' to question the validity of people who are trying to push an agenda, is that all intelligent people do it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
IMO
In your worthless stereotypical prejudice bigoted opinion.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In your worthless stereotypical prejudice bigoted opinion.
I love how when people disagree with you, you think insulting them proves anything good for you. How is 'prejudice' a rejoiner that adds impact above 'bigoted'. How is he either of those things ? What is he bigoted against, apart from ignorance ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The facts are right there for you to look at, are you saying that people who are permanently injured or killed by vaccines are irrelevant and insignificant?
This is deliberate ignorance on your part. The link to autism for example ( as mentioned on her site ) is pure BS. Autism is not something you can catch, it's inate in your brain structure.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your stereotypical prejudices are misplaced
The reason it's 'stereotypical' to question the validity of people who are trying to push an agenda, is that all intelligent people do it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
brain structure.
Which is adversely effected by mercury and other toxins. I suggest you do your research and stop spouting ignorant tobacco science. The government is trying to push an agenda with their relentless fear-mongering and dangerous vaccines backed by tobacco science. Anyone who questions their criminally illegitimate science and dangerous behavior deserves some respect.
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Christian Graus wrote:
brain structure.
Which is adversely effected by mercury and other toxins. I suggest you do your research and stop spouting ignorant tobacco science. The government is trying to push an agenda with their relentless fear-mongering and dangerous vaccines backed by tobacco science. Anyone who questions their criminally illegitimate science and dangerous behavior deserves some respect.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Which is adversely effected by mercury and other toxins.
Rubbish.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is trying to push an agenda with their relentless fear-mongering and dangerous vaccines backed by tobacco science.
What the hell is tobacco science ? What does it mean ? Why do you believe the government wants to cause people to become autistic ? What is their agenda ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
refuses to show his ID when challenged; what does he have to hide?
His name, his address, his ID number, and everything that can be gathered from it. Such as health records, vehicle registrations, income, assets, legal matters, employers, tax records, school records, and family members and their (everything listed).
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
His name, his address, his ID number, and everything that can be gathered from it.
What nonsense! These people claimed to be accredited press reporters. When challenged to prove it by showing some ID they refused, and were, quite rightly, asked to desist. For all the management of the facility knew they could have been spies or terrorists. That's what I meant by "what have they got to hide".
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Here, you can follow the links from there. References to scientific literature are scattered throughout her documents.[^]
This lady, while perhaps well educated, is not a medical practitioner; so what you are claiming as scientific literature, is merely the opinion of an unqualified person. Reading some of the entries on her web page it is obvious that she is pushing her own agenda rather than reporting the results of a scientific study. If this is your understanding of science then it is little wonder you keep posting this delusional nonsense.
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Your stereotypical prejudices are misplaced. She is more educated than you, who are you to disregard her extensive education and experience? The facts are right there for you to look at, are you saying that people who are permanently injured or killed by vaccines are irrelevant and insignificant?
If any of your references are of the quality that would satisfy a medical/science journal such as I linked to, then I will accept them without question just because the quality of the article is such it has been subject to scrutiny for accuracy etc including a peer review. That has nothing to do with "stereotypical prejudices". It is irrelevant how my education and/or experiences stack up against her. I am not the one of trial, YOU Henize introduce her into the conversation and I am calling her out as being a witness of non-professional status. Do wander off to one or more references that supports your arguments that satisfies the stated minimum then you will have no arguments from me, until then, you continue to make yourself and your causes look foolish. [adding] TO CLARIFY : If your references satisfy these conditions, then fine, if not, then you are wasting everybody's time. Reporting financial conflicts of interest and relationships between investigators and research sponsors.[^] http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/authors/authorfaqs[^] such as http://www.globalizationandhealth.com/manuscript/[^] Beyond conflict of interest - Transparency is the key[^] [/edit done]
modified on Sunday, November 8, 2009 7:48 AM
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
refuses to show his ID when challenged; what does he have to hide?
His name, his address, his ID number, and everything that can be gathered from it. Such as health records, vehicle registrations, income, assets, legal matters, employers, tax records, school records, and family members and their (everything listed).
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Which is adversely effected by mercury and other toxins.
Rubbish.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is trying to push an agenda with their relentless fear-mongering and dangerous vaccines backed by tobacco science.
What the hell is tobacco science ? What does it mean ? Why do you believe the government wants to cause people to become autistic ? What is their agenda ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
What the hell is tobacco science ? What does it mean ?
Bet you don't get a comprehensive answer from Henize. But, (this is not me helping him out - heaven forbid that), here is a large document that references a huge quantity of supporting references. Tobacco industry issues management organizations: Creating a global corporate network to undermine public health[^]. But my reference to that large document might not even be on Henize's level of comprehension.
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Christian Graus wrote:
What the hell is tobacco science ? What does it mean ?
Bet you don't get a comprehensive answer from Henize. But, (this is not me helping him out - heaven forbid that), here is a large document that references a huge quantity of supporting references. Tobacco industry issues management organizations: Creating a global corporate network to undermine public health[^]. But my reference to that large document might not even be on Henize's level of comprehension.
Oh - OK. I get it. It means made up science like the tobacco industries attempts to say that they don't cause cancer ? I'm betting he used it because he saw it on a webpage and actually didn't know what it meant.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Oh - OK. I get it. It means made up science like the tobacco industries attempts to say that they don't cause cancer ? I'm betting he used it because he saw it on a webpage and actually didn't know what it meant.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm betting he used it because he saw it on a webpage and actually didn't know what it meant.
Perhaps not, I got it from one of those science journals that would have Henize standing on his head trying to comprehend. It really is a proper academic article, not that you-know-who would recognize. Henize might offer you a made up bit of rubbish, but not what I submit - it is verified by peers etc - see my post below for authentication and verification for science journals.