Some linux users really bug me...
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Used to, in my operating systems class. The subject matter centered on Linux since we could analyze the source code. However, every now and then the prof would say "... but Windows does it like this..." Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. Someday his little fantasy world and the real world will collide, and I have a feeling that he won't emerge unscathed. Jon Sagara Help me out here, Spock. I don't speak stupid.
They guy I'm talking about found me doing some coding today and was asking me about it and I explained I was doing some C++/MFC and he then accused me of ineffecient coding because I wasn't coding for compliance on any operating system concievable. He made comments on how horrible MFC was and how unorganized etc etc. The ironic part was he has never programed, he doesn't know C++ and he has never even looked into MFC. All he knew was that it was from Microsoft. I then argued with him that programming this program to run on linux as well would be extremely inefficient. He didn't even give me a chance to explain what the program did. All the program did was basically a control for some advanced Windows features. :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmons -
Used to, in my operating systems class. The subject matter centered on Linux since we could analyze the source code. However, every now and then the prof would say "... but Windows does it like this..." Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. Someday his little fantasy world and the real world will collide, and I have a feeling that he won't emerge unscathed. Jon Sagara Help me out here, Spock. I don't speak stupid.
Jon Sagara wrote: Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. That's just some punk kid who wants to be seen as "cool" or that has some secret knowledge. He's absolutely wrong about his claim that "windows sucks", because it doesn't (at least not the real OS part of it). Microsoft is a compeletely different thing altogether, and as a company, it does most certainly suck. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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you actually read the EULA :omg: and you were able to quote from it! :eek:
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Sonork | 100.21142 | TheEclypseIts just an industry standard EULA, nothing different. -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmons -
They think because they use something vaguely rarish they are elite. Yes, it takes some skill, but taking the path of maximum resistance just for the sake of it doesn't make you part of an elite, it just makes you silly(IMHO). I use Linux for security, but for dev, MS rocks :-D
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It is a definite no-no to run BITMAP as a user command. Your nose will grow, your lawn will die, your hair will fall out, and your first-born will marry an aardvark. Shame on you!I use Linux for home because it's free, and because I can afford the development tools. For work I use Windows because that's what I'm paid to use, and the company foots the bill for the tools. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Jon Sagara wrote: Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. That's just some punk kid who wants to be seen as "cool" or that has some secret knowledge. He's absolutely wrong about his claim that "windows sucks", because it doesn't (at least not the real OS part of it). Microsoft is a compeletely different thing altogether, and as a company, it does most certainly suck. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: That's just some punk kid who wants to be seen as "cool" or that has some secret knowledge. He's absolutely wrong about his claim that "windows sucks", because it doesn't (at least not the real OS part of it). Microsoft is a compeletely different thing altogether, and as a company, it does most certainly suck. This is what really bugs me, is when they don't even know what a program is, if it says Microsoft or Windows it must suck. -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmons -
They guy I'm talking about found me doing some coding today and was asking me about it and I explained I was doing some C++/MFC and he then accused me of ineffecient coding because I wasn't coding for compliance on any operating system concievable. He made comments on how horrible MFC was and how unorganized etc etc. The ironic part was he has never programed, he doesn't know C++ and he has never even looked into MFC. All he knew was that it was from Microsoft. I then argued with him that programming this program to run on linux as well would be extremely inefficient. He didn't even give me a chance to explain what the program did. All the program did was basically a control for some advanced Windows features. :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John SimmonsWell, the guy that's giving you a hard time is a fuckin moron, and you can tell him thats straight from another Linux user. It's people like that who give other (less evangelistic) Linux users like me a bad rep. If I'm gonna have a bad rep, I want to earn it on my own. Afterall, I have experience there... :) ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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My neighbor is a linux user, now I have nothing against linux users or linux. However when there only reason for linux being better is "Windows sucks" or "Microsoft sucks" it gets really damn annoying. He doesn't really have anything to back up his "Microsoft sucks" argument. I also find it ironic that he seems to have an "infinite knowledge" (or so he thinks) of how Windows works even though he hasn't by his own admission used Windows since the early days of Windows 98. He also tried convincing me that the XP EULA said that gave Microsoft unrestricted access to your computer even on the hardware level :wtf:, which by the way isn't in there. In fact I quoted several sections of the EULA and he didn't recognize any of it and even accuesed me of lying about it. Does anyone else have to put up with this type of people on a regular basis? -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John SimmonsJust do the American thing and shoot him... Just kidding :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
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Joe Woodbury wrote: Though I should know better, I was bored and Mr. Simmons' remarks set me off. If you think you're pissed off now, wait until I make a concerted effort to piss you (personally) off. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Your remarks pretty much illustrate what he was talking about. I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium (which is widely misunderstood, BTW.) The Media intellectual protection issues are still alive and until resolved, the big media outlets aren't going to go for internet distribution. Windows doesn't get more expensive every year. In fact, for bundled versions (how most people get it) it's been the same price for five years. I paid about $90 for my Windows 98SE upgrade, the XP Home upgrade is, wow, $96 on buy.com. Big increase. (I also paid $220 for my Windows 2000 upgrade on a second machine the day it came out. XP Pro upgrade is $185. Hold it, that's a drop!) The EULA controversy is invented. Have you ever actually read it? Have you read the EULA for other software? Microsoft's is industry standard. (Since Linux is so great, how about the great GPL which some developers tweak to require you to open all your source if you use their code.) Security: Windows can be more secure than Linux. In the past, due to criticisms of the popular press, Microsoft made a mistake of favoring ease of use over enabling all the security features. If you examine the actual tracking of security and bug issues, Microsoft usuallly comes out about the same as Solaris and both are way ahead of Linux. In the past month, Linux has been hit by two severe Worms/Virii. The infection was extremely rapid, most likely because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and didn't have to pay attention to them. (Every corporate infection I've personally been affected by was due to the same reason--laziness.) (Look at the publicity surrounding BugBear. It's actually a more benign worm than the Linux issues, yet it has magnitudes more publicity. Makes sense because Windows has over 90% market share.) John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: if you want security, you're gonna have to pay for it Huh? What about the Linux scalability issues? That there are known problems with the kernel under high stress. How about the way Linus okays a minor release because it's just time for one? What makes Linux superior to FreeBSD, Darwin (Mac) and Solaris, amongst other flavors of UNIX? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I am tired of Microsoft wanting to dictate to me how and when I should use my own hardware and software. Hahahahahahah. That was a funny line. Linux's pathetic support for hardware doesn't ha
I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium And these "other" people would be who exactly ? I for one, most certainly do NOT want either Passport or Palladium as they have currently been reported described in articles. Nor do I even remotely trust MS to do a competent job implementing them, based on their current track record. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: If you think you're pissed off now, wait until I make a concerted effort to piss you (personally) off. Too late and rather immature. Typical of Linux fanatics.
Ask anyone here - I'm not a linux "fanatic", and you'd be hard-pressed to even call me an evangelist. On the other hand, you appear to have your head so far up your ass (or more correctly, up Bill Gates' ass), that you fail to see that we're all entitled to our own opinions, no matter how irregular they may seem to you. You're happy with Windows - I'm happy for you. You spring a woody every time someone utters the magic word "Microsoft" - that's fine. Be a pinhead for as long as you want - I'm sure the rest of us will survive. Buh bye... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Well, the guy that's giving you a hard time is a fuckin moron, and you can tell him thats straight from another Linux user. It's people like that who give other (less evangelistic) Linux users like me a bad rep. If I'm gonna have a bad rep, I want to earn it on my own. Afterall, I have experience there... :) ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: If I'm gonna have a bad rep, I want to earn it on my own. Afterall, I have experience there... Yeah, you do have some experience in that field :) John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: f***in moron, and you can tell him thats straight from another Linux user. I think I will tell him that :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmons -
Just do the American thing and shoot him... Just kidding :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Jim Crafton wrote: Just do the American thing and shoot him... Hmm, I could get a pretty good shot off... Jim Crafton wrote: Just kidding Ohh, I should probably put the safety back on huh :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmons -
I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium And these "other" people would be who exactly ? I for one, most certainly do NOT want either Passport or Palladium as they have currently been reported described in articles. Nor do I even remotely trust MS to do a competent job implementing them, based on their current track record. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Hold it. One minute the complaint is that Microsoft isn't giving any options, the next is that Microsoft is giving too much. Go back and read industry trades for the past 20 years and the basic concepts of Passport and Palladium (again, be wary of all you read, there are several articles that are combining several initiatives into Palladium) are talked about over and over. If you don't want Passport or Palladium, when it comes out, don't use them (but don't complain either if you can't get into MSDN because you don't have a Passport.) Vote with your wallet. Microsoft Bob and Microsoft Home both went down in flames despite huge promotional efforts. If I were the only person on earth who wants to see a successful Passport and Palladium, then Microsoft both the dumbest company on earth and is awfully good at their market research.
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Microsoft sucks. If you had been paying any attention at all when this linux/windows thing comes up, you would have noticed that I clearly stated that the idea behind windows is sound. I just have objections with one company running the show. As for your other arguments, it's the same bullshit we always hear from Windows zealots. I never once said Linux was better than Windows at anything, yet you feel the need to prove that Windows is better. Virus/worm attacks? I'm surprised it took this long for someone to turn one on the Linux world. As for windows, it happens every freakin day and the attacks aren't simply restricted to servers. On the other hand, worm/virus stuff is not really the fault of either OS, but instead the result of lazy/uninformed admins. "Pathetic hardware support"? I've installed Linux on half a dozen machines (of varying configurations), and on each one, the hardware was correctly detected and drivers were installed, and that includes a brand new Compaq laptop. Please give us all the benefit of your apparently vast knowledge and point out where the hardware support was pathetic. I never once criticized Windows, just the company. Oh yeah, one final point. You don't have to write GPL-compliant code, and I never claimed that I supported the idea that all source should be open, or even that all programs should be free). As a programmer, if I can't sell my services/programs, I don't eat, so Linux as a work platform isn't where I spend my professional time. However, I don't have to pay for what my employer uses, only what I use at home, and I refuse to buy anything from Microsoft ever again. This, in and of itself, forces me to an alternative OS that is compatible with my hardware - since I don't own an Apple, I can choose either FreeBSD or Linux. In the end, I'm not suggesting to anyone that they must/should switch to Linux (and I never have). I think Microsoft sucks, and that's why I switched. If you think Microsoft spews sunshine out of their collective asses, that's your perogative, and nothing I or anyone else can say anything to change your mind. I really have no idea why my opinion would turn you into a raving fuckin lunatic. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Lighten up. You have real issues, man.
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My neighbor is a linux user, now I have nothing against linux users or linux. However when there only reason for linux being better is "Windows sucks" or "Microsoft sucks" it gets really damn annoying. He doesn't really have anything to back up his "Microsoft sucks" argument. I also find it ironic that he seems to have an "infinite knowledge" (or so he thinks) of how Windows works even though he hasn't by his own admission used Windows since the early days of Windows 98. He also tried convincing me that the XP EULA said that gave Microsoft unrestricted access to your computer even on the hardware level :wtf:, which by the way isn't in there. In fact I quoted several sections of the EULA and he didn't recognize any of it and even accuesed me of lying about it. Does anyone else have to put up with this type of people on a regular basis? -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John SimmonsFrankly,we would all be a lot better off if Linux had a marketing team of Microsoft's caliber behind it. Technologically, I'm sure it is on a par with anything MS produces, but as with most of MS's competitors, it has few marketing savy supporters. Technology is only half the equation I care about when deciding what to use. I refuse to use any software which is not produced for the sole purpose of generating revenue for someone. Only a lunatic would do this stuff for fun. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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Frankly,we would all be a lot better off if Linux had a marketing team of Microsoft's caliber behind it. Technologically, I'm sure it is on a par with anything MS produces, but as with most of MS's competitors, it has few marketing savy supporters. Technology is only half the equation I care about when deciding what to use. I refuse to use any software which is not produced for the sole purpose of generating revenue for someone. Only a lunatic would do this stuff for fun. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Reverend Stan wrote: I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP. I knew something was fishy about you :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"Well, the guy that's giving you a hard time is a f***in moron, and you can tell him thats straight from another Linux user." - John Simmons on Linux Users
Just do the American thing and shoot him... - Jim Crafton on Linux Users -
Ask anyone here - I'm not a linux "fanatic", and you'd be hard-pressed to even call me an evangelist. On the other hand, you appear to have your head so far up your ass (or more correctly, up Bill Gates' ass), that you fail to see that we're all entitled to our own opinions, no matter how irregular they may seem to you. You're happy with Windows - I'm happy for you. You spring a woody every time someone utters the magic word "Microsoft" - that's fine. Be a pinhead for as long as you want - I'm sure the rest of us will survive. Buh bye... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
I never once asserted you weren't entitled to your opinion, I was simply countering misinformation you posted. Apparently, if someone defends Microsoft, no matter how valid their argument, they have their head up their ass. I believe that's exactly what the original poster was griping about.
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Hold it. One minute the complaint is that Microsoft isn't giving any options, the next is that Microsoft is giving too much. Go back and read industry trades for the past 20 years and the basic concepts of Passport and Palladium (again, be wary of all you read, there are several articles that are combining several initiatives into Palladium) are talked about over and over. If you don't want Passport or Palladium, when it comes out, don't use them (but don't complain either if you can't get into MSDN because you don't have a Passport.) Vote with your wallet. Microsoft Bob and Microsoft Home both went down in flames despite huge promotional efforts. If I were the only person on earth who wants to see a successful Passport and Palladium, then Microsoft both the dumbest company on earth and is awfully good at their market research.
You're as bad as the classmate described earlier that shouts "Windows sucks" everytime someone invokes the name Microsoft. You're just a shill for MS, and you are so fuckin narrowminded that you wouldn't be able to change your mind, even if someone loosened the screws for you first. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Jon Sagara wrote: Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. That's just some punk kid who wants to be seen as "cool" or that has some secret knowledge. He's absolutely wrong about his claim that "windows sucks", because it doesn't (at least not the real OS part of it). Microsoft is a compeletely different thing altogether, and as a company, it does most certainly suck. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Touche. Yet, somehow I think that in his eyes, Micrsoft == Windows. :) Jon Sagara Help me out here, Spock. I don't speak stupid.
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