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  • I Ian Shlasko

    You mean after you're arrested for trespassing?

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    CaptainSeeSharp
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    What if he has permission to be on that road?

    Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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    • C CaptainSeeSharp

      What if he has permission to be on that road?

      Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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      Ian Shlasko
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      Then what's your point?

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      • I Ian Shlasko

        Then what's your point?

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        The 4th amendment stands. End the Fed. Ron Paul.

        Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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        • C CaptainSeeSharp

          The 4th amendment stands. End the Fed. Ron Paul.

          Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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          Ian Shlasko
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          What does driving on a private road have to do with anything? When it's a phone call or an internet transmission, it's not YOU on that "private road", it's an electronic signal. The point is that a bunch of electrons on someone else's wires don't necessarily count as your "effects", hence separate laws are needed to govern wiretapping.

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          • I Ian Shlasko

            What does driving on a private road have to do with anything? When it's a phone call or an internet transmission, it's not YOU on that "private road", it's an electronic signal. The point is that a bunch of electrons on someone else's wires don't necessarily count as your "effects", hence separate laws are needed to govern wiretapping.

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            CaptainSeeSharp
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            bullshit. I can fax my papers, they are still my papers even though their format has changed.

            Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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            • C CaptainSeeSharp

              bullshit. I can fax my papers, they are still my papers even though their format has changed.

              Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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              Ian Shlasko
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              That's your way of interpreting the word "effects"... Doesn't look so cut and dry anymore, does it? This is the stuff lawyers and congressmen argue over, and this is one of the things that make it a "living" document. Now, since this is a form of communication we're talking about, the most logical analogy is a spoken conversation. Does sitting on the street outside your house with a directional microphone constitute a "search and seizure?" What if you're not at home, but in a public place? What if you're in public, but on private property, such as in a shopping mall or in the parking lot in front of Walmart?

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              • J josda1000

                OK I'm seriously glad I started a healthy debate. Finally... a real debate. Let's continue. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Article VI: Debts, Supremacy, Oaths This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. My argument is that, for this very reason of this being a document and no other reason, the Constitution is NOT A LIVING DOCUMENT! What in the fuck is a LIVING DOCUMENT?! A document can be amended. I do it all the time on my computer. It can be changed. AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE WANT IT TO CHANGE. If the people want it to change, let it change. But do not make law that contradicts the supreme Law of the Land. And CSS... if you want to argue for or against my arguments, please don't namecall... that kills our point of view. No matter how much they shit on the Law of our Land. (This is a republic, not a democracy. They have the right to be wrong, and no matter how much the Constitution protects them.) Next argument. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Article I: The Legislative Branch Section 8: Powers of Congress The Congress shall have Power... To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures. So where's the "Federal Reserve" clause?

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                josda1000 wrote:

                My argument is that, for this very reason of this being a document and no other reason, the Constitution is NOT A LIVING DOCUMENT! What in the f*** is a LIVING DOCUMENT?! A document can be amended. I do it all the time on my computer. It can be changed. AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE WANT IT TO CHANGE.

                To paraphrase something that used to be said of some of my ancestors: The only good constitution is a dead constitution.

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                • C CaptainSeeSharp

                  You can start with that documentary. Its an excellent piece of work that is enjoyable to watch and informative, until then your questions are on hold.

                  Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]

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                  Distind
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                  So rather than actually doing anything, you're hiding behind youtube again.

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                  • J josda1000

                    btw... any power not expressly stated in the constitution is, by definition, unconstitutional. if you can't find it in the 19 or something Powers (Art. 1 Sec. 8), it is unconstitutional.

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                    But here's the problem, it doesn't cover how congress executes the power. In fact, it doesn't even include guidelines on that. Is it that they have the power but no constitutional method to execute it?

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                      But here's the problem, it doesn't cover how congress executes the power. In fact, it doesn't even include guidelines on that. Is it that they have the power but no constitutional method to execute it?

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                      josda1000
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                      They can create the method (They have a rules committee), and they used to just consider the bills they pass as Acts of Congress. Then they started passing laws pretty rapidly so they now have the United States Code. So as long as they stay within the boundaries outlined, using whatever method, it is technically Constitutional. However, since they do go beyond these boundaries, such as with the Patriot Act and the stupid law on gay marriages, the states are starting to recognize it.

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