Beautiful, just beautiful. I love this....
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Distind wrote:
I've skimmed a chunk and all I see is typical politics and shop talk.
They were caught manipulating the data and engaging in corrupt policies and malicious tactics to try convince the world that there is a warming trend when in reality there is cooling trend. If that is typical of scientists then we need to seriously step back and take a very serious look at what we believe as sounds science...like vaccinations for instance, or perhaps fluoride in water.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
to try convince the world that there is a warming trend when in reality there is cooling trend.
This is the most ignorant of lies. There has been no significant warming for a short period of time, which does nothing to change the overall trend. The only way to 'prove' cooling is to compare the record highs of the late 90s with more recent temperatures, which are still elevated but drop in comparison to those record temperatures. Only an idiot would mistake that for a 'trend' of cooling.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Distind wrote:
I've skimmed a chunk and all I see is typical politics and shop talk.
They were caught manipulating the data and engaging in corrupt policies and malicious tactics to try convince the world that there is a warming trend when in reality there is cooling trend. If that is typical of scientists then we need to seriously step back and take a very serious look at what we believe as sounds science...like vaccinations for instance, or perhaps fluoride in water.
Please quote the relevant sections where they manipulated data, at length with at least the surrounding paragraph intact, I can explain just about any of it to you off the top of my head after talking with some real researchers rather than pundit idiots.
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Distind wrote:
I've skimmed a chunk and all I see is typical politics and shop talk.
They were caught manipulating the data and engaging in corrupt policies and malicious tactics to try convince the world that there is a warming trend when in reality there is cooling trend. If that is typical of scientists then we need to seriously step back and take a very serious look at what we believe as sounds science...like vaccinations for instance, or perhaps fluoride in water.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
like vaccinations for instance, or perhaps fluoride in water.
Yes, I assume it's because of your ignorant paranioa regarding some other areas of firm, basic science, that you love to find proof where none exists of conspiracy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Please quote the relevant sections where they manipulated data, at length with at least the surrounding paragraph intact, I can explain just about any of it to you off the top of my head after talking with some real researchers rather than pundit idiots.
I want to know his proof of a trend of cooling ( although I know what it is, I want him to say it, so he can be ripped to pieces )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, to claim that is more ignorant than I think any rational person could every hope to be.
Why, because the "scientists" at the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change say so, and everyone believed them? You are the ignorant global warming clown. A stupid stupid clown.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are the ignorant global warming clown. A stupid stupid clown.
See how you return to insults when facts are not on your side ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
to try convince the world that there is a warming trend when in reality there is cooling trend.
This is the most ignorant of lies. There has been no significant warming for a short period of time, which does nothing to change the overall trend. The only way to 'prove' cooling is to compare the record highs of the late 90s with more recent temperatures, which are still elevated but drop in comparison to those record temperatures. Only an idiot would mistake that for a 'trend' of cooling.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Only an idiot would mistake that for a 'trend' of cooling.
Why, because the "scientists" at the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change say so, and you believe them? You can't get any more stupid.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are the ignorant global warming clown. A stupid stupid clown.
See how you return to insults when facts are not on your side ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The facts are on my side. Your house of cards has fallen.
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The facts are on my side. Your house of cards has fallen.
Saying that does not make it true. I've made clear that I think that warming is being exaggerated by the media and by some with more desire for funding than scruples. My point is entirely that this does not prove that there is no warming, and in fact, the facts make clear that there is. You're still name calling and boasting to try to cover up for a lack of evidence on your side, because I'm not a Gore worshipper, and the middle ground that I occupy is, unlike the extremes that Gore pedlles on one side, and you peddle on the other, beyond reproach.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I want to know his proof of a trend of cooling ( although I know what it is, I want him to say it, so he can be ripped to pieces )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I bet I can sum it up in two words... We can even make a Hangman puzzle out of it... A _ _ _ J _ _ _ _
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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Christian Graus wrote:
Only an idiot would mistake that for a 'trend' of cooling.
Why, because the "scientists" at the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change say so, and you believe them? You can't get any more stupid.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
I don't even know what that is.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You can't get any more stupid.
Yes, insulting me is a good move here. There are no facts to support your claims, even common sense is against you, so, an insult is really your best strategy to hide your ignorance.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I want to know his proof of a trend of cooling ( although I know what it is, I want him to say it, so he can be ripped to pieces )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
After talking to a someone who's actually spent time in a research lab I'm not terribly surprised by anything in the emails. Reminds me of the CS labs from school, no one used text book terms, they used what made sense in context or whatever they thought did. Sometimes this got a tad odd, or vulgar, or downright disturbing, but it generally got the point across. More often than not it made me question why I willingly worked with some of the people I did, but at least they weren't boring.
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Please quote the relevant sections where they manipulated data, at length with at least the surrounding paragraph intact, I can explain just about any of it to you off the top of my head after talking with some real researchers rather than pundit idiots.
“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” Phil Jones -
Saying that does not make it true. I've made clear that I think that warming is being exaggerated by the media and by some with more desire for funding than scruples. My point is entirely that this does not prove that there is no warming, and in fact, the facts make clear that there is. You're still name calling and boasting to try to cover up for a lack of evidence on your side, because I'm not a Gore worshipper, and the middle ground that I occupy is, unlike the extremes that Gore pedlles on one side, and you peddle on the other, beyond reproach.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
the facts make clear that there is
What facts? The facts that came from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change?
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“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” Phil JonesHere's the major issue. Assuming that this is genuine, and assuming that one lab falsified some data, how does that prove or disprove global warming as a whole ? Doesn't that mean you just throw out the bad data and look at the other data that is genuine ? Or are you less interested in science than in your own agenda ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
the facts make clear that there is
What facts? The facts that came from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change?
The facts that come from all sorts of scientific bodies, around the world. Like I said, even if you're right and one body is discredited, that doesn't prove that every scientist who has ever said anything that disagrees with your imaginary worldview, is lying.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
I don't even know what that is.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You can't get any more stupid.
Yes, insulting me is a good move here. There are no facts to support your claims, even common sense is against you, so, an insult is really your best strategy to hide your ignorance.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
There are no facts to support your claims
Saying that does not make it true. You have my permission to Google climategate and get your dumbass educated.
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“I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” Phil JonesAhuh. Where's the rest of the paragraph, see, that's kind of my point, you haven't read over them, you're just spouting what you've seen elsewhere. If this really was falsified, we could just get the temps from the weather service and prove them wrong. But has anyone?
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Here's the major issue. Assuming that this is genuine, and assuming that one lab falsified some data, how does that prove or disprove global warming as a whole ? Doesn't that mean you just throw out the bad data and look at the other data that is genuine ? Or are you less interested in science than in your own agenda ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
how does that prove or disprove global warming as a whole ?
The whole pile of BS called global warming or climate change came from those scientists. They are the ones peddling that nonsense, and thank God that they have been exposed. The 30k scientists that have real peer reviewed solid science, who the IPCC fraudsters hate, are the ones you need to be looking into.
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Ahuh. Where's the rest of the paragraph, see, that's kind of my point, you haven't read over them, you're just spouting what you've seen elsewhere. If this really was falsified, we could just get the temps from the weather service and prove them wrong. But has anyone?
Distind wrote:
Ahuh. Where's the rest of the paragraph
Download the .zip file I linked to days ago. It has EVERYTHING.
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Ahuh. Where's the rest of the paragraph, see, that's kind of my point, you haven't read over them, you're just spouting what you've seen elsewhere. If this really was falsified, we could just get the temps from the weather service and prove them wrong. But has anyone?