EPA Threatens “Command-and-Control” Economy to Push Climate Change Agenda
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Isn't the sun moving towards it's most active cycle over the next two years? And proof, that ever elusive thing, do you have any for this claim? Because as I've said before, solving the mysteries of the global climate would be Nobel prize worthy.
Distind wrote:
Because as I've said before, solving the mysteries of the global climate would be Nobel prize worthy.
:laugh: I see you have a sense of humor. :thumbsup:
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He explains well-known 9th grade-level scientific facts.
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The Environmental Protection Agency’s recent declaration that the life-sustaining gas carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant is part of an effort to establish “command-and-control” role for government. EPA boss Lisa Jackson declared carbon dioxide dangerous prior to her scheduled appearance at the Copenhagen climate summit in Denmark. Command-and-control is a military term defined as the exercise of authority and direction by a designated commanding officer over assigned and attached forces in the accomplishment of the mission. In the case of the EPA, the mission is to impose the globalist climate change agenda on the United States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mrNYE56I3A[^] More specifically, the EPA threat to impose a military-style command-and-control over the economy is an effort to force congressional action on the climate change agenda. EPA states that it will not wait for an agreement in Copenhagen and action on climate change legislation in Congress. Proposed legislation that passed the House is currently on hold in the Senate. The agency, established by Richard Nixon and Congress in 1970 with 18,000 full-time employees, will intervene directly in the economy, according to an official. “If you don’t pass this legislation, then … the EPA is going to have to regulate in this area,” the official announced. “And it is not going to be able to regulate on a market-based way, so it’s going to have to regulate in a command-and-control way, which will probably generate even more uncertainty.” The EPA official warned that the EPA’s intervention will be a huge “deterrent to investment” and will inflict injury on an already damaged economy. Critics of the Obama administration and the EPA say such directives from on-high represent a move toward socialism. In fact, the EPA’s dictatorial edict is more evidence that the government is colluding with the “powers of financial capitalism,” as Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University described the global elite, who are working to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. “This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences,” explained Quigley. The leak earlier this week of the “Danish text” demonstrates that secret agreements
You fail once more. You mindlessly quote unsupported opinions on subjects you do not understand. You assume that any idiot on YouTube is by definition correct, so long as they agree with you. You won't even admit a completely obvious mistake[^]. Everyone in this forum is now dumber having read your post. I award you no points, and may [deity of choice] have mercy on your "soul."
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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Distind wrote:
Buddy, did I quote them?
Its where your spew ultimately comes from.
No, not really. I've gone out of my way to find the basic scientific principles rather than someone's half cocked theory. As per any complex system, I went about understanding the basic portions first, and frankly from them it's really easy to see how someone would panic. I've managed to get far enough that if I could find a real model of it I could probably make sense of it's methodology. If I'd actually have anything of use to say about it is questionable.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
why you think the CRU science is flawed.
Climategate.
Ok, I have to ask. Is there anyone else who would happily shoot everyone who attaches gate to anything the slightest bit scandalous? Watergate was before I was friggen born, why are we still attempting to reference it, it was a damn hotel name, nothing particularly historically significant in the -gate. WHY DO YOU IDIOTS USE IT?(at all of them, particularly the media)
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Distind wrote:
Because as I've said before, solving the mysteries of the global climate would be Nobel prize worthy.
:laugh: I see you have a sense of humor. :thumbsup:
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Ok, I have to ask. Is there anyone else who would happily shoot everyone who attaches gate to anything the slightest bit scandalous? Watergate was before I was friggen born, why are we still attempting to reference it, it was a damn hotel name, nothing particularly historically significant in the -gate. WHY DO YOU IDIOTS USE IT?(at all of them, particularly the media)
Distind wrote:
Is there anyone else who would happily shoot everyone who attaches gate to anything the slightest bit scandalous?
Shoot them? Nah... Lock them in a room and force them to watch the Rocky Horror Picture Show over and over again until their heads explode. Sure, they'd refer to it as Rockygate, but they wouldn't live to spread the term.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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You make shit up. We are going into a cooling stage now, the heating and cooling is due to the cycles of the sun. How do you account for the synchronous melting and now synchronous expanding (due to the cooling stage the solar system experiencing due to the cycles of the sun) of both Earth's and Mars' ice caps? You either believe the COP15 wannabe global corporate dictators who use fraud, or you believe real science. I believe the real science not based on fraud and power-grabbing / money-grabbing. Only people with the intellect of an amoeba believe the man made global warming propaganda spew.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
the heating and cooling is due to the cycles of the sun.
And how does that work, precisely? Not saying you are wrong, but you can't just say it is so. Do you know the difference between correlation and causation, for example? If you cannot explain in your own words, pray post a link to someone who you believe can. (Not another YouTube video, a proper, verifiable source.)
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You either believe the COP15 wannabe global corporate dictators who use fraud, or you believe real science.
It would be possible to accept AGW, while abhoring the whole Copenhagen brouhaha.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Only people with the intellect of an amoeba believe the man made global warming propaganda spew.
Only a person with the intellect of an amoeba would dismiss either the pro or con hypothesis out of hand.
Bob Emmett
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Bob Emmett wrote:
why you think the CRU science is flawed.
Climategate.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
he does absolutely nothing of the sort
:laugh: One only has to listen to the first two minutes of his speech to be enlightened to the fact that he very well explains why al gore's theory of man made global warming is pure bullshit, very thoroughly and eloquently.[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
One only has to listen to the first two minutes of his speech to be enlightened to the fact that he very well explains why al gore's theory of man made global warming is pure bullsh*t, very thoroughly and eloquently.
It satisfies you, because you have made no effort to understand the sciences underpinning the opinions of AGW sceptics and supporters alike. I know that Monckton has a deeper understanding of the subject, but this video is just a journalistic fluff for those who are bothered by long words and mathematics. Never mind. BTW: It is not Al Gore's theory. It is not even a theory, it remains an hypothesis.
Bob Emmett
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The Environmental Protection Agency’s recent declaration that the life-sustaining gas carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant is part of an effort to establish “command-and-control” role for government. EPA boss Lisa Jackson declared carbon dioxide dangerous prior to her scheduled appearance at the Copenhagen climate summit in Denmark. Command-and-control is a military term defined as the exercise of authority and direction by a designated commanding officer over assigned and attached forces in the accomplishment of the mission. In the case of the EPA, the mission is to impose the globalist climate change agenda on the United States. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mrNYE56I3A[^] More specifically, the EPA threat to impose a military-style command-and-control over the economy is an effort to force congressional action on the climate change agenda. EPA states that it will not wait for an agreement in Copenhagen and action on climate change legislation in Congress. Proposed legislation that passed the House is currently on hold in the Senate. The agency, established by Richard Nixon and Congress in 1970 with 18,000 full-time employees, will intervene directly in the economy, according to an official. “If you don’t pass this legislation, then … the EPA is going to have to regulate in this area,” the official announced. “And it is not going to be able to regulate on a market-based way, so it’s going to have to regulate in a command-and-control way, which will probably generate even more uncertainty.” The EPA official warned that the EPA’s intervention will be a huge “deterrent to investment” and will inflict injury on an already damaged economy. Critics of the Obama administration and the EPA say such directives from on-high represent a move toward socialism. In fact, the EPA’s dictatorial edict is more evidence that the government is colluding with the “powers of financial capitalism,” as Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University described the global elite, who are working to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. “This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences,” explained Quigley. The leak earlier this week of the “Danish text” demonstrates that secret agreements
Whats funny is that in the past you've shown so much contempt for England, it's traditions and the English now you think Lord so and so is your night in shining armor. I was watching telly the other day and there was a news report about a GW skeptics conference. I thought it was surprising that they would cover such a thing and then they trundled out this old knob who crapped on about one world government and conspiracy theories. Obviously the media made out that any one who questions GW is as crazy as Lord whatshisname. The guy is a liability.
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Whats funny is that in the past you've shown so much contempt for England, it's traditions and the English now you think Lord so and so is your night in shining armor. I was watching telly the other day and there was a news report about a GW skeptics conference. I thought it was surprising that they would cover such a thing and then they trundled out this old knob who crapped on about one world government and conspiracy theories. Obviously the media made out that any one who questions GW is as crazy as Lord whatshisname. The guy is a liability.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I was watching telly
Well there is your problem.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I was watching telly
Well there is your problem.
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You make shit up. We are going into a cooling stage now, the heating and cooling is due to the cycles of the sun. How do you account for the synchronous melting and now synchronous expanding (due to the cooling stage the solar system experiencing due to the cycles of the sun) of both Earth's and Mars' ice caps? You either believe the COP15 wannabe global corporate dictators who use fraud, or you believe real science. I believe the real science not based on fraud and power-grabbing / money-grabbing. Only people with the intellect of an amoeba believe the man made global warming propaganda spew.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You make sh*t up
ROTFL. Prove it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We are going into a cooling stage now,
Things are static right now. There was a spike in 1998 ( from memory ) that we have not bettered since then. People who want to talk about the little ice age, should surely appreciate that global time is slow, a 10 year pause does not prove anything, either way.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How do you account for the synchronous melting and now synchronous expanding (due to the cooling stage the solar system experiencing due to the cycles of the sun) of both Earth's and Mars' ice caps?
All the people who attack AGW want to tell us how complex the world's weather is, and yet offer these sort of simplistic questions. Any scientist, as opposed to a newspaper writer, knows that the theory of AGW is one of total average temp increase, but also of cooling in some areas.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You either believe the COP15 wannabe global corporate dictators who use fraud, or you believe real science
You would not know real science if it smacked you in the face. Science is the religion of the day, people saying they believe 'real science' in promoting their views today are no different to people who would invoke God as their justification 200 years ago, UNLESS they actually understand the science. You do not.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Only people with the intellect of an amoeba believe the man made global warming propaganda spew.
The you tube videos you post prove you cannot claim that level of intelligence. I'd agree, anyone with at least the intellect of an amoeba should be able to discern some understanding of the facts without falling prey to either groups of extremists pushing their own agendas.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Josh Gray wrote: I was watching telly Well there is your problem.
But it was your mate Lord Dickhead I was watching!
Yes, but when he's on YouTube, he's magically transformed into "all that is good and right," remember?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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Josh Gray wrote:
I was watching telly
Well there is your problem.
The core difference between him watching TV and you watching YouTube, is how easily you can turn off anything that challenges your views and how you can ALWAYS find something to justify your world view. TV is not great. You tube is worse.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
What's funny is, capitalism has already DONE that.
No, the criminal aristocratic globalists have done that to exploit the third-world while deindustrializing the first-world. Then they arrogantly lie to everyone to convince them that the command & control system of socialism/communism is the solution to the problem they they created, so that they get more power. Two strategies are utilized here, divide & conquer, and problem reaction solution. Looks them up.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^]
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Two strategies are utilized here, divide & conquer, [...]
'Divide & conquer' is a single strategy. The idea is by splitting up the opposition [divide], you can gain an advantage with each faction [conquer]. So your usual challange, admit your error or continue as if you are right?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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You make shit up. We are going into a cooling stage now, the heating and cooling is due to the cycles of the sun. How do you account for the synchronous melting and now synchronous expanding (due to the cooling stage the solar system experiencing due to the cycles of the sun) of both Earth's and Mars' ice caps? You either believe the COP15 wannabe global corporate dictators who use fraud, or you believe real science. I believe the real science not based on fraud and power-grabbing / money-grabbing. Only people with the intellect of an amoeba believe the man made global warming propaganda spew.
You do realise, I hope, that the science only believes that we are heading toward an ice age, and it only belives that based on the evidence and theories it has right now, all of these are open to change at any point. Also that when they say now, they mean within the next thousand or 10's of thousands of years? This is geology, nothing happens fast! BTW the sun's cycles has nowt to do with ice ages. Generally the sun's output is always increasing, which would suggest everything should be getting dryer and hotter, but it doesn't as you've said, we have cycles. There are smaller cycles of sunspot activty, but these are too weak and frequent i.e. we should have more ice ages than we've had. Most science tends to say these small cycles might amplify an ice-age, and not cause it.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Two strategies are utilized here, divide & conquer, [...]
'Divide & conquer' is a single strategy. The idea is by splitting up the opposition [divide], you can gain an advantage with each faction [conquer]. So your usual challange, admit your error or continue as if you are right?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
So your usual challange, admit your error or continue as if you are right?
Stupid fool. I said.. "Two strategies are utilized here, (first)(divide & conquer), and (second)(problem reaction solution)."
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
So your usual challange, admit your error or continue as if you are right?
Stupid fool. I said.. "Two strategies are utilized here, (first)(divide & conquer), and (second)(problem reaction solution)."
Oh hey, you going to admit you had no idea what Black Propaganda meant even after you linked to it? I am pretty impressed by this one. A bunch of people point out how wrong you are and all you can manage to do it is pick up on this 1 guys mistake. Since you can't admit you are wrong and ignore any argument that you can't win, we'll all be free to assume the points made were valid. Off-shoring was done to save money (stupidly) and your friend that thinks global warming is a crock happens to have been one of the biggest proponents of it in Britain. So he's working for part of the conspiracy against another part. Maybe they should fire him?