Domesticated, compartmentalized, ignorant, ninnies...
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OK, so they'd have to detect the body areas ( probably not hard ) and then colorise them. So you admit that the scanners do NOT take a picture remotely like the one you posted. According to Wikipedia: In the United States, the Transportation Security Administration has claimed to have taken several steps to minimize privacy objections. Images captured by the machines are not to be stored anywhere; though the machine has the capability for storage of the images, the TSA has asked the manufacturer to disable this capability. Once the image leaves the screen, it is not to be retrieved. The screening officer at the machine with the subject does not get to see the image; rather his screen shows only whether or not the actual viewer has confirmed that the passenger has cleared. The officer who views the specific image is in an isolated room away from the security checkpoint, so as to not see the actual person being scanned by the device.[5] Now, the question remains - knowing that the image is not in color, knowing that these steps are being taken, why would anyone even CARE to try to keep naked photos off these scanners. Are you suggesting that photos of naked people are hard to come by in this day and age ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Are you suggesting that photos of naked people are hard to come by in this day and age ?
Dude, it took me 5 letters in Google image search with the filter set to none. That's hard!!! Though I guess 4 would have worked...
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Christian Graus wrote:
Are you suggesting that photos of naked people are hard to come by in this day and age ?
Dude, it took me 5 letters in Google image search with the filter set to none. That's hard!!! Though I guess 4 would have worked...
Are you serious ? I just tested, and three is all you need ( I googled 'sex' ).
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Its called millimeter wave, and if the developers of the scanners want a to simulate a full color image they could use the color and tones the face, arms, and hands of the body.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its called millimeter wave
And the scanner operates between Infra-Red and Microwave (non-visible). The scanner forms an image of the temperature received from the scene. The temperature (and therefore the pixel intensity) is a function of the reflectivity, emissivity and transmissivity of the scene surfaces. Metallic objects are highly reflective and tend to appear bright, the human body is partially reflective and appears less bright and clothes are partially transparent.[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
if the developers of the scanners want a to simulate a full color image they could use the color and tones the face, arms, and hands of the body
And if they used, say, a concurrent photo scan, all they would get is a temperature image in the colour and tones of the body. Very stimulating. Now, an x-ray scan[^] is more intrusive. Again, no colour information. Again, a concurrent photo scan could provide the necessary colour. Do you think the result would be worth it?
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its called millimeter wave
And the scanner operates between Infra-Red and Microwave (non-visible). The scanner forms an image of the temperature received from the scene. The temperature (and therefore the pixel intensity) is a function of the reflectivity, emissivity and transmissivity of the scene surfaces. Metallic objects are highly reflective and tend to appear bright, the human body is partially reflective and appears less bright and clothes are partially transparent.[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
if the developers of the scanners want a to simulate a full color image they could use the color and tones the face, arms, and hands of the body
And if they used, say, a concurrent photo scan, all they would get is a temperature image in the colour and tones of the body. Very stimulating. Now, an x-ray scan[^] is more intrusive. Again, no colour information. Again, a concurrent photo scan could provide the necessary colour. Do you think the result would be worth it?
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
I suggest you do some very basic research before you spew out blatantly ignorant bullshit like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave_scanner[^] These are millimeter wave scanners, not inferred scanners.
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I suggest you do some very basic research before you spew out blatantly ignorant bullshit like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave_scanner[^] These are millimeter wave scanners, not inferred scanners.
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Actually there are two technologies used in full body scanners, the Millimeter wave scanner AND Backscatter x-ray. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_X-ray[^] If you had read the article you posted you would have seen the backscatter x-ray system mentioned.
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I have honestly wondered, if anything CSS is true, then the most likely explanation for his posts is that the government pays someone to post like him, to cast any conspiracy theorist into disrepute. I've often told him that the net effect of his posts is to convince people that conspiracy nuts are illogical, abusive and unable to back up their claims.
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Yeah he's really killin it. He's not even trying at all in this. He picks out certain information that almost make sense, and goes with it. Like that millimeter thing... I don't even get that really. It's like you said, maybe he does really work for the government lol Ah well, I know what I believe and what I can prove. That's the difference. That's why I'm just not CSS lol Ah well, I tried.
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Yeah he's really killin it. He's not even trying at all in this. He picks out certain information that almost make sense, and goes with it. Like that millimeter thing... I don't even get that really. It's like you said, maybe he does really work for the government lol Ah well, I know what I believe and what I can prove. That's the difference. That's why I'm just not CSS lol Ah well, I tried.
josda1000 wrote:
Like that millimeter thing... I don't even get that really.
When you go to the airport, and also now many courthouses and possibly any government building such as the DMV, you will be required to go through the naked body scanner, which has the ability to save and transmit your biometric naked image. It works somewhat similar as X-rays, except that milimeter waves are less penetrating, the purpose is to look under your clothing. There are even mobile units that are to be deployed onto the streets. Its called being a humiliated, dehumanized slave. I suggest you do your research, you are in front of the computer right now.
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Just remember: it only took 3% of the population to fight the revolution. The minority may be exactly that, but the truth always reigns. It takes education, not more poor insults. You seriously can't stoop to the level that they're at. You must fight with logic, not inflammatory arguments. Ian and I had that long drawn out two-week argument... but it was clean and logical. If you can prove your point, you can show credibility. They won't write you off. What you did on Christmas was the most braindead and insanely written thing I'd ever seen by an engineer. If you have good intentions, learn the arguments. Learn how to back up your logic, not just write down 2 sentences on how everyone is stupid. I'm trying to continue reading your points, because I agree with your background. But the way you write what you write and the lack of elaboration seriously is a detriment to your cause. Fight the good fight... but fight with knowledge. Not ignorance.
josda1000 wrote:
What you did on Christmas was the most braindead and insanely written thing I'd ever seen by an engineer.
First off, CSS is NOT an engineer. Probably never will be an engineer. And calling him one is an insult to engineers everywhere.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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I suggest you do some very basic research before you spew out blatantly ignorant bullshit like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave_scanner[^] These are millimeter wave scanners, not inferred scanners.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I suggest you do some very basic research before you spew out blatantly ignorant bullsh*t like that.
I did, I read the papers published during the scanner development, and the fact sheets of several scanners on the market. And you read?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
These are millimeter wave scanners
That's right. As I said:
Bob Emmett wrote:
And the scanner operates between Infra-Red and Microwave (non-visible).
Millimetre waves occupy the region of the electromagnetic spectrum bewteen microwaves and the infra-red[^] i.e., a non-visible part of the spectrum.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
not inferred scanners.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: No, certainly not inferred scanners.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Are you serious ? I just tested, and three is all you need ( I googled 'sex' ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
damn, didn't even try that. I was looking for a specific body part...
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damn, didn't even try that. I was looking for a specific body part...
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josda1000 wrote:
Like that millimeter thing... I don't even get that really.
When you go to the airport, and also now many courthouses and possibly any government building such as the DMV, you will be required to go through the naked body scanner, which has the ability to save and transmit your biometric naked image. It works somewhat similar as X-rays, except that milimeter waves are less penetrating, the purpose is to look under your clothing. There are even mobile units that are to be deployed onto the streets. Its called being a humiliated, dehumanized slave. I suggest you do your research, you are in front of the computer right now.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
No, see he was talking about not understanding HOW YOU COULD BE SO FREAKING WRONG ABOUT THE TECH!!!! Bob explained what it does. You said it was not inferred scanners(hilarious, btw, when you meant infra-red) and you link to an article that refutes you. The images it shows can in no way be contrived to be full color or even good biometric data, and the privacy concerns paragraph directly contradicts your claims. The paragraph detailing the technical details has a link to millimeter wave info. This info is pretty much exactly what he said. The purpose of these machines is not to "look under your clothing" it is to check to see if you have anything metallic hidden on your person. This is a subtle but important difference. They don't care how big (or small) your wang is, they care if you have what might be a bomb on you. Most of security in airports is theater. Make it look good and hope no terrorists figure out how laughably easy it is to circumvent while making the common moron happy because they feel safer. If you folks would concentrate on that aspect, the utter pathetic worthlessness of half these measure, that would be a much better way to convince people of the stupidity of this. Instead you drum up a fake image, make ludicrous claims, and when called on it deny the facts. Seriously, quit being ridiculous and try being logical. And look up black propaganda while you are at it.
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I hate my brain, there's most likely a two letter combination that'd get you those hits. Begins with a B...
See, I am not looking for male parts. Though DD might do it...
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I suggest you do some very basic research before you spew out blatantly ignorant bullsh*t like that.
I did, I read the papers published during the scanner development, and the fact sheets of several scanners on the market. And you read?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
These are millimeter wave scanners
That's right. As I said:
Bob Emmett wrote:
And the scanner operates between Infra-Red and Microwave (non-visible).
Millimetre waves occupy the region of the electromagnetic spectrum bewteen microwaves and the infra-red[^] i.e., a non-visible part of the spectrum.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
not inferred scanners.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: No, certainly not inferred scanners.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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No, see he was talking about not understanding HOW YOU COULD BE SO FREAKING WRONG ABOUT THE TECH!!!! Bob explained what it does. You said it was not inferred scanners(hilarious, btw, when you meant infra-red) and you link to an article that refutes you. The images it shows can in no way be contrived to be full color or even good biometric data, and the privacy concerns paragraph directly contradicts your claims. The paragraph detailing the technical details has a link to millimeter wave info. This info is pretty much exactly what he said. The purpose of these machines is not to "look under your clothing" it is to check to see if you have anything metallic hidden on your person. This is a subtle but important difference. They don't care how big (or small) your wang is, they care if you have what might be a bomb on you. Most of security in airports is theater. Make it look good and hope no terrorists figure out how laughably easy it is to circumvent while making the common moron happy because they feel safer. If you folks would concentrate on that aspect, the utter pathetic worthlessness of half these measure, that would be a much better way to convince people of the stupidity of this. Instead you drum up a fake image, make ludicrous claims, and when called on it deny the facts. Seriously, quit being ridiculous and try being logical. And look up black propaganda while you are at it.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Bob explained what it does.
Bob doesn't have a goddamn clue what it is. It is not a heat camera. It works similarly to an X-ray device except that the wavelength the scanners use are less penetrating than x-rays.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They are not heat cameras.
No, they are not heat cameras, they are millimetre wave (MMW) scanners. Here is another puzzle for you: MMW scanners require a source of 'illumination' which isn't a light. :wtf: It is a MMW beam, and thus not visible. The MMW scanner detects the reflected 'illumination', which is processed to provide a temperature map of the scanned body. Objects are detected by the difference in temperature. A ceramic knife would be colder, and thus darker in the image. I didn't invent the terminology, it is used in the documentation. Read more, post less.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They are not heat cameras.
No, they are not heat cameras, they are millimetre wave (MMW) scanners. Here is another puzzle for you: MMW scanners require a source of 'illumination' which isn't a light. :wtf: It is a MMW beam, and thus not visible. The MMW scanner detects the reflected 'illumination', which is processed to provide a temperature map of the scanned body. Objects are detected by the difference in temperature. A ceramic knife would be colder, and thus darker in the image. I didn't invent the terminology, it is used in the documentation. Read more, post less.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
It has nothing to do with temperature, it doesn't read the bodies temperature.
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It has nothing to do with temperature, it doesn't read the bodies temperature.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It has nothing to do with temperature, it doesn't read the bodies body's (FTFY) temperature.
Quite right, it doesn't. It calculates a temperature map from the reflected MMW 'illumination'. That's what "The MMW scanner detects the reflected 'illumination', which is processed to provide a temperature map of the scanned body." means. If you have problems with the terms 'illumination' and 'temperature', go talk to the scientists who designed these machines. You might also ask them why they use the terms 'current' and 'flow', when electricity is not a liquid. Read more, post less.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I suggest you do some very basic research before you spew out blatantly ignorant bullsh*t like that.
I did, I read the papers published during the scanner development, and the fact sheets of several scanners on the market. And you read?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
These are millimeter wave scanners
That's right. As I said:
Bob Emmett wrote:
And the scanner operates between Infra-Red and Microwave (non-visible).
Millimetre waves occupy the region of the electromagnetic spectrum bewteen microwaves and the infra-red[^] i.e., a non-visible part of the spectrum.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
not inferred scanners.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: No, certainly not inferred scanners.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Bob Emmett wrote:
No, certainly not inferred scanners.
CSS's inferrer is busted anyhow. :laugh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
