MS sales surge
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"Boosted by new subscription-style licensing that encourages corporate customers to pay yearly fees for software, net income was $2.73 billion, or 50 cents per share in the quarter ended Sept. 30." The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket.
How low can you go ?
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"Boosted by new subscription-style licensing that encourages corporate customers to pay yearly fees for software, net income was $2.73 billion, or 50 cents per share in the quarter ended Sept. 30." The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket.
How low can you go ?
(MS retrof_u_ck)__Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket. Since when markets are moral ? :~ Influence of the Evil, Influence of the Good, which of both will go further? Wobbly destinies, dubious dreams, which of both is good for nothing? L'emprise du Mal, l'emprise du Bien, lequel des deux ira l'plus loin? Destins bancals, rêves incertains, lequel des deux est bon à rien? Come On Boys/Ludwig Von 88
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"Boosted by new subscription-style licensing that encourages corporate customers to pay yearly fees for software, net income was $2.73 billion, or 50 cents per share in the quarter ended Sept. 30." The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket.
How low can you go ?
(MS retrof_u_ck)__Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket. Well duh! ;P Paul Why don't you take a good look at yourself and describe what you see - Led Zeppelin, Misty Mountain Hop
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"Boosted by new subscription-style licensing that encourages corporate customers to pay yearly fees for software, net income was $2.73 billion, or 50 cents per share in the quarter ended Sept. 30." The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket.
How low can you go ?
(MS retrof_u_ck)__Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket. How is that stealing? -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
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__Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket. How is that stealing? -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
Russell Morris wrote: How is that stealing? Because it's Microsoft and it doesn't matter any more whether it's their product, they have no right to sell it at any price because they already have too much money, their shareholders should be content to see a massive decline in the value of their stockholdings while the rest of the world helps itself to their software. Don't you know the rules? ;P Paul Why don't you take a good look at yourself and describe what you see - Led Zeppelin, Misty Mountain Hop
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"Boosted by new subscription-style licensing that encourages corporate customers to pay yearly fees for software, net income was $2.73 billion, or 50 cents per share in the quarter ended Sept. 30." The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket.
How low can you go ?
(MS retrof_u_ck)__Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket. I don't like the model, but Microsoft are not forcing people to adopt it, the consumer has the right to choose. And a lot of what they are doing is in response to people stealing from THEM. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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__Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: The stock market applauds a company stealing money in customers' pocket. I don't like the model, but Microsoft are not forcing people to adopt it, the consumer has the right to choose. And a lot of what they are doing is in response to people stealing from THEM. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: don't like the model, but Microsoft are not forcing people to adopt it, Upgrading is not a freedom anymore. You don't upgrade, you are left stuck. And deadline support for the W2K OS is 2006. Christian Graus wrote: And a lot of what they are doing is in response to people stealing from THEM. Ah ah! Most MS revenue is from OEM. Extreme ROI here. Even ballmer says that office products are not significantly sold, compared to revenue due to OEM. How couldn't this be ? Instead of providing customers with REAL features, they request to pay a year fee. And what do customers get ? gigabytes of binaries (DLL dependencies, products in different languages, ugly "service" packs, ...). In a normal unbiased world, customers pay freely for a product because it has a feature they desire. Once. And that's true for every product you can think of. They way we are today is gone totally nuts. In France, we are about to see this with the TNT (digital TV). Though analogical broadcasting is free and works fine, the government is working with certain private companies to force customers to switch to digital broadcasting. The "funny" thing about it is that the government intends to schedule the stopping of analogical broadcasting, to make sure every one upgrades to the new system : of course, this new system is a money sucker, and is based on monthly fees. In other words, instead of providing customers with better TV content, they are providing us with twice more channels, with the same lame TV content. Where is the value ? What about the lost freedom ?
How low can you go ?
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Christian Graus wrote: don't like the model, but Microsoft are not forcing people to adopt it, Upgrading is not a freedom anymore. You don't upgrade, you are left stuck. And deadline support for the W2K OS is 2006. Christian Graus wrote: And a lot of what they are doing is in response to people stealing from THEM. Ah ah! Most MS revenue is from OEM. Extreme ROI here. Even ballmer says that office products are not significantly sold, compared to revenue due to OEM. How couldn't this be ? Instead of providing customers with REAL features, they request to pay a year fee. And what do customers get ? gigabytes of binaries (DLL dependencies, products in different languages, ugly "service" packs, ...). In a normal unbiased world, customers pay freely for a product because it has a feature they desire. Once. And that's true for every product you can think of. They way we are today is gone totally nuts. In France, we are about to see this with the TNT (digital TV). Though analogical broadcasting is free and works fine, the government is working with certain private companies to force customers to switch to digital broadcasting. The "funny" thing about it is that the government intends to schedule the stopping of analogical broadcasting, to make sure every one upgrades to the new system : of course, this new system is a money sucker, and is based on monthly fees. In other words, instead of providing customers with better TV content, they are providing us with twice more channels, with the same lame TV content. Where is the value ? What about the lost freedom ?
How low can you go ?
(MS retrof_u_ck)__Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: Upgrading is not a freedom anymore. You don't upgrade, you are left stuck. And deadline support for the W2K OS is 2006. Do you seriously think that IBM should still support a typewriter they made in 1920 ? If not, why should Microsoft support a product for more than 6 years ? What does their support mean ? I'm sure plenty of people still use W95 now. Now, XP is another matter, if they turn off validation of legal copies so people really ARE forced to upgrade, that is a serious issue. __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: Most MS revenue is from OEM. Extreme ROI here. ROI ? __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: Even ballmer says that office products are not significantly sold, compared to revenue due to OEM. OF course not - people who do not get them with the PC, steal them. It's still possible to buy a PC without any Microsoft software though, I do it often. I own a full copy of W2000 and I keep on using it every time I trash an old PC and buy a new one. __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: Instead of providing customers with REAL features, they request to pay a year fee. I'd agree that there are no real features left to add to a program that most people just type sentences into and hit 'print', but that has nothing to do with the yearly fee. __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: And what do customers get ? gigabytes of binaries (DLL dependencies, products in different languages, ugly "service" packs, ...). What are you bitching about ? You and every other person on this plant can get Linux for free, can get Star Office for free. You don't like Microsoft products, don't use them. Do you seriously believe all the people using Office were forced to buy it against their will ? __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: In a normal unbiased world, customers pay freely for a product because it has a feature they desire. Once. And that's true for every product you can think of. Not so. Think of the following jobs. Gardener Doctor Prostitute Physiotherapist I'm sure you get the gist. Office does not provide a product, it provides a service. I could care less about how well the code is written, or how big it is on my drive, or even what language it was written in. I care that I can type a letter and print it, or type in my budget and see how broke I am. A pay per use model is not out of step with what
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__Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: Upgrading is not a freedom anymore. You don't upgrade, you are left stuck. And deadline support for the W2K OS is 2006. Do you seriously think that IBM should still support a typewriter they made in 1920 ? If not, why should Microsoft support a product for more than 6 years ? What does their support mean ? I'm sure plenty of people still use W95 now. Now, XP is another matter, if they turn off validation of legal copies so people really ARE forced to upgrade, that is a serious issue. __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: Most MS revenue is from OEM. Extreme ROI here. ROI ? __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: Even ballmer says that office products are not significantly sold, compared to revenue due to OEM. OF course not - people who do not get them with the PC, steal them. It's still possible to buy a PC without any Microsoft software though, I do it often. I own a full copy of W2000 and I keep on using it every time I trash an old PC and buy a new one. __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: Instead of providing customers with REAL features, they request to pay a year fee. I'd agree that there are no real features left to add to a program that most people just type sentences into and hit 'print', but that has nothing to do with the yearly fee. __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: And what do customers get ? gigabytes of binaries (DLL dependencies, products in different languages, ugly "service" packs, ...). What are you bitching about ? You and every other person on this plant can get Linux for free, can get Star Office for free. You don't like Microsoft products, don't use them. Do you seriously believe all the people using Office were forced to buy it against their will ? __Stephane Rodriguez__ wrote: In a normal unbiased world, customers pay freely for a product because it has a feature they desire. Once. And that's true for every product you can think of. Not so. Think of the following jobs. Gardener Doctor Prostitute Physiotherapist I'm sure you get the gist. Office does not provide a product, it provides a service. I could care less about how well the code is written, or how big it is on my drive, or even what language it was written in. I care that I can type a letter and print it, or type in my budget and see how broke I am. A pay per use model is not out of step with what
Christian Graus wrote: ROI ? Return On Investment (US Bussword;) "Anyone can die, it is how you live that counts." Paul Watson 16 Oct 2002
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Christian Graus wrote: ROI ? Return On Investment (US Bussword;) "Anyone can die, it is how you live that counts." Paul Watson 16 Oct 2002
Ah... I know what that means, I didn't know that it had been given an abbreviated form. Thanks Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002