Alex Jones speaks against Amendment 2: The Right to keep and bear arms
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_X-CVR5L14[^] Here's a great reason why Alex Jones shouldn't be listened to, he's just hindering the cause.
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Sorry about that, I forgot. Basically Alex Jones went to a rally that was set up in Austin TX by libertyrestorationproject.org, and just basically crashed it and was shouting over a loudspeaker against the rally. It's basically completely against everything the liberty movement is about, and everything that AJ speaks about in the first place. In my opinion, he's just trying to get attention, and doesn't fully subscribe to liberty.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_X-CVR5L14[^] Here's a great reason why Alex Jones shouldn't be listened to, he's just hindering the cause.
Not actually watching the video, since I'm blocked from YouTube, but I think we all know Alex Jones is a nutjob. Well, everyone except CSS. But it's ok... I found someone worse than CSS... Chatted with him last night on a different site... He started with the Federal Reserve, moved quickly to 9/11 conspiracies, then slid around the corner into the New World Order conspiracies, the Illuminati, Freemasons, collusion among worldwide central banks... I kinda stopped paying attention at that point, but... wow... he was making CSS look good by comparison. I only stuck around long enough for that much, because I was waiting to see if he blamed it all on little green men in Area 51.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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Not actually watching the video, since I'm blocked from YouTube, but I think we all know Alex Jones is a nutjob. Well, everyone except CSS. But it's ok... I found someone worse than CSS... Chatted with him last night on a different site... He started with the Federal Reserve, moved quickly to 9/11 conspiracies, then slid around the corner into the New World Order conspiracies, the Illuminati, Freemasons, collusion among worldwide central banks... I kinda stopped paying attention at that point, but... wow... he was making CSS look good by comparison. I only stuck around long enough for that much, because I was waiting to see if he blamed it all on little green men in Area 51.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
My thing is, to me, some makes sense, and I'll back it. But saying that the freemasons are evil just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Anyone trying to make a case for that has nothing better to do. They should go gamble, and start questioning how to beat that system, instead of saying that the very people who made the most free country in the history of the world are behind some evil plot to destroy humanity. So yeah, I half agree with you on that one Ian lol there's a first.
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My thing is, to me, some makes sense, and I'll back it. But saying that the freemasons are evil just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Anyone trying to make a case for that has nothing better to do. They should go gamble, and start questioning how to beat that system, instead of saying that the very people who made the most free country in the history of the world are behind some evil plot to destroy humanity. So yeah, I half agree with you on that one Ian lol there's a first.
I don't know if I'd give the masons quite that much credit, but I agree that they're a Good Thing (tm). Just goes to show, though... CSS isn't the worst one out there.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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I don't know if I'd give the masons quite that much credit, but I agree that they're a Good Thing (tm). Just goes to show, though... CSS isn't the worst one out there.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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True, maybe they weren't "the ones" to create the constitution, etc... yet, they had a lot of say in it. But yeah, CSS is just concerned about the direction that we're going in.
josda1000 wrote:
But yeah, CSS is just concerned about the direction that we're going in.
I think we're all concerned about the direction we're going in. We just can't agree on how to properly change that direction. Personally, I'm starting to think we're past the point of no return, and that we're screwed no matter what we do.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
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josda1000 wrote:
But yeah, CSS is just concerned about the direction that we're going in.
I think we're all concerned about the direction we're going in. We just can't agree on how to properly change that direction. Personally, I'm starting to think we're past the point of no return, and that we're screwed no matter what we do.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)
See, that's probably another way you and I differ. I'm not such a cynical guy, I'm pretty optimistic. I just believe it takes a re-education of what our founders believed, and then you'll see progress to liberty, and self-sufficiency/self-protection/self-government. I think the biggest problem is believing that government can solve everything. But the thing about government is that it is coercion and force. All government power comes from the consent of the governed, and then the barrel of a gun. More regulations and more wars just destroys all freedom. Once we realize that, and start repealing laws instead of creating new laws, I think we'll be a little bit more prosperous. Obviously, this doesn't quite convey all of the ideas that go along with these premises, but this is the very foundation that my philosophy is based on. It's based on property and the idea of the "self". I'm sure you've heard these ideas before though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_X-CVR5L14[^] Here's a great reason why Alex Jones shouldn't be listened to, he's just hindering the cause.
josda1000 wrote: he's just hindering the cause. What cause is that ? Keeping the crime rate high ? Making sure that school shootings continue to occur ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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True, maybe they weren't "the ones" to create the constitution, etc... yet, they had a lot of say in it. But yeah, CSS is just concerned about the direction that we're going in.
josda1000 wrote: But yeah, CSS is just concerned about the direction that we're going in. CSS is looking for explanations for his own catastrophic failure in life. He's spent many years attacking this site, and as many years jumping from one conspiracy to another. At one stage he was posting the details of his personal life ( remember when he worked as a fry cook, and some girl showed her the swastika tattoo on her genitals, and he was in love ? ). His life appears to me to be a train wreck, I can see why he needs excuses for it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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josda1000 wrote: he's just hindering the cause. What cause is that ? Keeping the crime rate high ? Making sure that school shootings continue to occur ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
What cause is that ?
Liberty. In a truly free society (which is, I think we can all agree, NOT what we have today), we'd all be able to protect ourselves. Gun banning suspends the second amendment, which is the right to self-defense, and now we see encroachment into a police state. Crime rates are only seen in progressive cities, especially detroit. crime is through the roof, residential closings are at all time highs. and school shootings? those are few and far between, at least from what i've heard. If you keep living in fear, the government will continue to wipe away liberty. That's all I have to say about this one.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_X-CVR5L14[^] Here's a great reason why Alex Jones shouldn't be listened to, he's just hindering the cause.
That was bad. What the hell he was thinking?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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That was bad. What the hell he was thinking?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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you tell me. you love the guy lol i can't stand him because he sensationalizes bad situations, making them look worse than they already are. now he's just making himself look more ridiculous, and completely fraudulent.
I don't love him. I just like his aggressiveness, but not when it gets in the way of patriots.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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Christian Graus wrote:
What cause is that ?
Liberty. In a truly free society (which is, I think we can all agree, NOT what we have today), we'd all be able to protect ourselves. Gun banning suspends the second amendment, which is the right to self-defense, and now we see encroachment into a police state. Crime rates are only seen in progressive cities, especially detroit. crime is through the roof, residential closings are at all time highs. and school shootings? those are few and far between, at least from what i've heard. If you keep living in fear, the government will continue to wipe away liberty. That's all I have to say about this one.
josda1000 wrote: and school shootings? those are few and far between, at least from what i've heard. 18 mass shootings a year in America. 13 in Australia, not a year, but EVER. None, not one, since the gun buyback over a decade ago. josda1000 wrote: we'd all be able to protect ourselves. Well, you know, I feel that knowing that the stranger on my property almost certainly hasn't got a gun means I am happy to grab an axe and walk down and ask what the hell he's doing. In the US, I'd hide in the house and wait for them to leave. I know if I had a gun, that having both parties armed makes my odds of dying far greater than if neither of us were. josda1000 wrote: Gun banning suspends the second amendment, which is the right to self-defense, and now we see encroachment into a police state. how do you see a police state ? The second ammendment is not a right to carry arms day to day, it's a right to own them for the purpose of forming a militia. Which made sense when your gun at home, and the guns the army had, were the same. Today, it is a nonsense. josda1000 wrote: If you keep living in fear, the government will continue to wipe away liberty. What amuses me about this, is that my observation of life in the US is that your media seeks to keep people in fear, if people by and large buy into it or not, is another question. There's certainly a lot more fear in the USA than there is here at home. Guns don't seem to me to be a factor in this equation.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I don't love him. I just like his aggressiveness, but not when it gets in the way of patriots.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
When you use the word 'patriot', I thnk of people with no teeth, who are married to farm animals.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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josda1000 wrote: and school shootings? those are few and far between, at least from what i've heard. 18 mass shootings a year in America. 13 in Australia, not a year, but EVER. None, not one, since the gun buyback over a decade ago. josda1000 wrote: we'd all be able to protect ourselves. Well, you know, I feel that knowing that the stranger on my property almost certainly hasn't got a gun means I am happy to grab an axe and walk down and ask what the hell he's doing. In the US, I'd hide in the house and wait for them to leave. I know if I had a gun, that having both parties armed makes my odds of dying far greater than if neither of us were. josda1000 wrote: Gun banning suspends the second amendment, which is the right to self-defense, and now we see encroachment into a police state. how do you see a police state ? The second ammendment is not a right to carry arms day to day, it's a right to own them for the purpose of forming a militia. Which made sense when your gun at home, and the guns the army had, were the same. Today, it is a nonsense. josda1000 wrote: If you keep living in fear, the government will continue to wipe away liberty. What amuses me about this, is that my observation of life in the US is that your media seeks to keep people in fear, if people by and large buy into it or not, is another question. There's certainly a lot more fear in the USA than there is here at home. Guns don't seem to me to be a factor in this equation.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
18 mass shootings a year in America. 13 in Australia, not a year, but EVER.
where can I find these stats?
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, you know, I feel that knowing that the stranger on my property almost certainly hasn't got a gun means I am happy to grab an axe and walk down and ask what the hell he's doing.
This is illogical, and kind of proving my point as well at the same time. Knowing that he doesn't have a gun doesn't mean he doesn't have an axe, just like you. This is just like saying, if axes are outlawed, I know I can go downstairs with my fists ready because he doesn't have fists. The point is, you need to defend yourself. Besides, if a guy really wanted to rob you, he'll find a gun anyway. Just because guns are outlawed doesn't mean he won't get one anyway, because he's already breaking the law by going into your house.
Christian Graus wrote:
In the US, I'd hide in the house and wait for them to leave.
See, that's the thing. People that own guns have a way to defend their houses. That's what we do here, cuz we actually have backbones. No offense, but seriously think about this.
Christian Graus wrote:
how do you see a police state ?
How do you NOT?! Random searches inside cars, self-written search warrants, wiretapping, airport security for no reason, traffic cameras on the street... the list goes on. This kind of thing would never happen in a free society, I'm sorry.
Christian Graus wrote:
The second ammendment is not a right to carry arms day to day
Yes. It is. "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Keep = Own. Bear = Carry. Arms = Guns (specifically rifles)
Christian Graus wrote:
Today, it is a nonsense.
It won't be if martial law is ever declared. Not saying that it will, but if it is ever declared, you're going to think twice about what you just said. Personally, I do believe that the dollar will collapse soon. And this will mean that martial law will be declared. So... yeah.
Christian Graus wrote:
What amuses me about this, is that my observation of life in the US is that your media seeks to keep people in
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When you use the word 'patriot', I thnk of people with no teeth, who are married to farm animals.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
18 mass shootings a year in America. 13 in Australia, not a year, but EVER.
where can I find these stats?
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, you know, I feel that knowing that the stranger on my property almost certainly hasn't got a gun means I am happy to grab an axe and walk down and ask what the hell he's doing.
This is illogical, and kind of proving my point as well at the same time. Knowing that he doesn't have a gun doesn't mean he doesn't have an axe, just like you. This is just like saying, if axes are outlawed, I know I can go downstairs with my fists ready because he doesn't have fists. The point is, you need to defend yourself. Besides, if a guy really wanted to rob you, he'll find a gun anyway. Just because guns are outlawed doesn't mean he won't get one anyway, because he's already breaking the law by going into your house.
Christian Graus wrote:
In the US, I'd hide in the house and wait for them to leave.
See, that's the thing. People that own guns have a way to defend their houses. That's what we do here, cuz we actually have backbones. No offense, but seriously think about this.
Christian Graus wrote:
how do you see a police state ?
How do you NOT?! Random searches inside cars, self-written search warrants, wiretapping, airport security for no reason, traffic cameras on the street... the list goes on. This kind of thing would never happen in a free society, I'm sorry.
Christian Graus wrote:
The second ammendment is not a right to carry arms day to day
Yes. It is. "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Keep = Own. Bear = Carry. Arms = Guns (specifically rifles)
Christian Graus wrote:
Today, it is a nonsense.
It won't be if martial law is ever declared. Not saying that it will, but if it is ever declared, you're going to think twice about what you just said. Personally, I do believe that the dollar will collapse soon. And this will mean that martial law will be declared. So... yeah.
Christian Graus wrote:
What amuses me about this, is that my observation of life in the US is that your media seeks to keep people in
<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">josda1000 wrote:</div>where can I find these stats?</blockquote> <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=aEsJF8HMg5yM&refer=australia">Australia</a>[<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=aEsJF8HMg5yM&refer=australia" target="_blank" title="New Window">^</a>] I honestly can't find the figure for the US, I did read it recently, but it looks to me like the real figure is probably lower. It is, however, certainly a lot higher than Australia. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">josda1000 wrote:</div> Knowing that he doesn't have a gun doesn't mean he doesn't have an axe, just like you. This is just like saying, if axes are outlawed, I know I can go downstairs with my fists ready because he doesn't have fists. The point is, you need to defend yourself.</blockquote> But, two guys with axes is not as dangerous as two guys with guns. Guns change the whole picture, and greatly increase the possibility of someone dying. They don't make you any safer, far from it. They create an illusion of safety that is likely to get you killed. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">josda1000 wrote:</div>Besides, if a guy really wanted to rob you, he'll find a gun anyway. Just because guns are outlawed doesn't mean he won't get one anyway, because he's already breaking the law by going into your house.</blockquote> But it's far harder to get one in a society that doesn't have gun shops on the outskirts of every town, where there's no gun shows, where it's almost impossible that a prior robbery would have got them a gun. Yes, I've been to America. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">josda1000 wrote:</div>How do you NOT?! Random searches inside cars, self-written search warrants, wiretapping, airport security for no reason, traffic cameras on the street... the list goes on. This kind of thing would never happen in a free society, I'm sorry.</blockquote> Well, I was not disputing, more asking for your reasoning. your list is flawed. Airport security is not for no reason, it's an expression of capitalism. People would not fly after 9/11, so security went ballistic, to prove to people it was safe. It's all a smoke screen, and smart people know that, but it's done that way, because it makes d