Three cheers for
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... socialized 'medicine'[^] Of course, since it's reported by MailOnline, all you right-thinking lefties and class-snobs can just ignore it.
He could always be a circus freak. I strongly disagree with any socialised medicine program that does not incorporate a private option where people can get whatever care they choose to pay for. That's how it works here. We both support the needy, and allow people of means to choose the care they want.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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He could always be a circus freak. I strongly disagree with any socialised medicine program that does not incorporate a private option where people can get whatever care they choose to pay for. That's how it works here. We both support the needy, and allow people of means to choose the care they want.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I strongly disagree with any socialised medicine program that does not incorporate a private option
The NHS does. But the guy is unemployed and in debt.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
OK - then he's subject to the limitations of the public option. So long as there's an option to pay for care now, any public option is a gift, and should not be looked in the mouth. If he could just pay to be fixed now, then his not doing so, means he has no complaint. Surely Illion is not suggesting that a public system should be funded endlessly, for immediate care for all problems ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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... socialized 'medicine'[^] Of course, since it's reported by MailOnline, all you right-thinking lefties and class-snobs can just ignore it.
Sorry to take a while but I have been a hunting. None of the newspapers running the story appears to have followed it up. Given their outrage, you would think that they would have run a story on how he fared with his op., and how his appeal against being denied incapacity benefit progressed. But nobody is really interested in him, any more than you are, just a good story to beat the NHS with.
The NHS is a disgrace! - Appalled of Tunbridge Wells Sh*t happens, get over it. - Bob Emmett
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OK - then he's subject to the limitations of the public option. So long as there's an option to pay for care now, any public option is a gift, and should not be looked in the mouth. If he could just pay to be fixed now, then his not doing so, means he has no complaint. Surely Illion is not suggesting that a public system should be funded endlessly, for immediate care for all problems ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Surely Illion is not suggesting that a public system should be funded endlessly, for immediate care for all problems ?
His God, assuming that any such twisted being exists, alone knows.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
The hypothetical attack on nationalised health care has been quite pathetic, and certainly hysterical. It MUST involve death panels. It MUST deny care. It's pathetic.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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... socialized 'medicine'[^] Of course, since it's reported by MailOnline, all you right-thinking lefties and class-snobs can just ignore it.
At least he will be able to get to all those trickky 'elbow' bends in confined spaces! Actually, I am more worried by the fact a doctor hasnt signed him off as unfit for work. While another doctor, his surgeon, says he is unfit for an operaiton! Fuck me, what a pair of twats these two must be!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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At least he will be able to get to all those trickky 'elbow' bends in confined spaces! Actually, I am more worried by the fact a doctor hasnt signed him off as unfit for work. While another doctor, his surgeon, says he is unfit for an operaiton! Fuck me, what a pair of twats these two must be!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
f*** me, what a pair of twats these two must be!
Hey! Unfair call! He is on incapacity benefit disability allowance, therefore he has been signed off by his GP. His surgeon says his blood pressure is too high for him to undergo surgery. They are in the clear. Now, in response to cries of 'benefit scroungers' (ironically from Daily Wail readers among other right-thinking 'righties'), it has been made more difficult to obtain the incapacity benefit and disability allowance for any length of time. Instead of taking your GP's professional opinion, you are diagnosed 'fit to work' by another doctor and your benefit allowance is stopped, you appeal to a tribunal and, generally, the benefit allowance is restored. (A relative by marriage had a degenerative heart condition, and was on disability allowance from 35ish. At his benefit assessment aged 40, he was able to walk the 16 feet between two chairs, and was adjudged fit for clerical work. He appealed, and got his allowance back. Shortly after, he collapsed and died getting up out of his chair.) [Edit: Mr Eeles was on incapacity benefit not disability allowance]
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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fat_boy wrote:
f*** me, what a pair of twats these two must be!
Hey! Unfair call! He is on incapacity benefit disability allowance, therefore he has been signed off by his GP. His surgeon says his blood pressure is too high for him to undergo surgery. They are in the clear. Now, in response to cries of 'benefit scroungers' (ironically from Daily Wail readers among other right-thinking 'righties'), it has been made more difficult to obtain the incapacity benefit and disability allowance for any length of time. Instead of taking your GP's professional opinion, you are diagnosed 'fit to work' by another doctor and your benefit allowance is stopped, you appeal to a tribunal and, generally, the benefit allowance is restored. (A relative by marriage had a degenerative heart condition, and was on disability allowance from 35ish. At his benefit assessment aged 40, he was able to walk the 16 feet between two chairs, and was adjudged fit for clerical work. He appealed, and got his allowance back. Shortly after, he collapsed and died getting up out of his chair.) [Edit: Mr Eeles was on incapacity benefit not disability allowance]
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
modified on Saturday, February 6, 2010 1:29 AM
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fat_boy wrote:
f*** me, what a pair of twats these two must be!
Hey! Unfair call! He is on incapacity benefit disability allowance, therefore he has been signed off by his GP. His surgeon says his blood pressure is too high for him to undergo surgery. They are in the clear. Now, in response to cries of 'benefit scroungers' (ironically from Daily Wail readers among other right-thinking 'righties'), it has been made more difficult to obtain the incapacity benefit and disability allowance for any length of time. Instead of taking your GP's professional opinion, you are diagnosed 'fit to work' by another doctor and your benefit allowance is stopped, you appeal to a tribunal and, generally, the benefit allowance is restored. (A relative by marriage had a degenerative heart condition, and was on disability allowance from 35ish. At his benefit assessment aged 40, he was able to walk the 16 feet between two chairs, and was adjudged fit for clerical work. He appealed, and got his allowance back. Shortly after, he collapsed and died getting up out of his chair.) [Edit: Mr Eeles was on incapacity benefit not disability allowance]
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Bob Emmett wrote:
He is on disability allowance, therefore he has been signed off by his GP
Not actually true - disability allowance has nothing to de with being fit for work or not. It is an payment-of-expenses-incurred in living with a disability. You do not have to be unemployed or signed off by a doctor to get it.
All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand. My :badger:'s gonna unleash hell on your ass. :badger:tastic!
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Ok OK. Iyt just ammused me that two doctors would say this. To be unfit for an iopperation and at the same time be fit for work is pretty surreal.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Not realy, you can be declared unfit for an operation if you have a cold - yet working with a cold is common, colds can interfer with the anethestic and cause breathing difficulties when under - most sergions will avoid operation on someone with a cold as stated, high blood pressure is another one, you can work with high BP perfectly fine, but when someone is cutting holes in you it can suddenly become a serious problem
Go away and research the subject, analyze the options for and against, understand the problem and them come back when you agree with me.
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The hypothetical attack on nationalised health care has been quite pathetic, and certainly hysterical. It MUST involve death panels. It MUST deny care. It's pathetic.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
If it didn't it wouldn't have a leg to stand on. It is morally superior to simply allow people to go bust in attempting to pay for services, and to die horribly because they can not afford the treatments, than to possibly delay treatment for a non-critical injury in a system that covers everyone. Or so I've been told, but the people who said it really hated my analysis of it.
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He could always be a circus freak. I strongly disagree with any socialised medicine program that does not incorporate a private option where people can get whatever care they choose to pay for. That's how it works here. We both support the needy, and allow people of means to choose the care they want.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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That's what happens here in Massachusetts. It's why Massachusetts is now in debt, after having surpluses for ten plus years. Now that it's been implemented for three years, the state is in debt.
Yea, it couldn't have anything to do with a recession or anything... Don't act like because A happens and B happens B must be a result of A. Most of the states that were in the black 3 years ago and are now in the red.
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Yea, it couldn't have anything to do with a recession or anything... Don't act like because A happens and B happens B must be a result of A. Most of the states that were in the black 3 years ago and are now in the red.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
He is on disability allowance, therefore he has been signed off by his GP
Not actually true - disability allowance has nothing to de with being fit for work or not. It is an payment-of-expenses-incurred in living with a disability. You do not have to be unemployed or signed off by a doctor to get it.
All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand. My :badger:'s gonna unleash hell on your ass. :badger:tastic!
OriginalGriff wrote:
Not actually true - disability allowance has nothing to de with being fit for work or not. It is an payment-of-expenses-incurred in living with a disability. You do not have to be unemployed or signed off by a doctor to get it.
Quelle horreur! My ignorance exposed! Please don't tell Gillian or Private Wee Parts, I shall never live it down! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Well, you may be right. But we had one of the biggest state surpluses. That's all. Of course, it's speculation, but it's speculation on both of our parts.
It isn't speculation on my part. I know of 2-3 states that have not changed a single thing with health care. Heck the rules got changed to help Medicare money go to Iowa (the number of people over 65 in this state is a fairly significant percentage of the state.) These states were all in the black (Illinois was barely in the black, but was still positive) and they are all in the red, rather deeply in some cases. There is no speculation on the causes here from me. It was jobs vanishing and being replaced with lower paying jobs if replaced at all, property values lowering and the subsequent loss in property taxes and other factors that have nothing to do with public health care. If Mass was like most of the east coast, the drop in revenue from property values plummeting along with all the people losing jobs is likely a bigger cause for the sudden reversal. Attributing that to health care without anything to back it up is speculation. Get the data showing how public health care siphoned money out of the system and I will consider it, but I am not going to believe idle speculation with no numbers to back it up.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Not actually true - disability allowance has nothing to de with being fit for work or not. It is an payment-of-expenses-incurred in living with a disability. You do not have to be unemployed or signed off by a doctor to get it.
Quelle horreur! My ignorance exposed! Please don't tell Gillian or Private Wee Parts, I shall never live it down! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
Like CSS could capitalize on it... "You didn't know everything!" "Yea, but I admitted it and learned something, how about you?" "... ... ... YOUR MOM!!!"
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At least he will be able to get to all those trickky 'elbow' bends in confined spaces! Actually, I am more worried by the fact a doctor hasnt signed him off as unfit for work. While another doctor, his surgeon, says he is unfit for an operaiton! Fuck me, what a pair of twats these two must be!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
