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    Ian Shlasko
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    Ok, I just spotted this on Slashdot, and it's a little creepy... Well, more than a little creepy... http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/[^] In South Carolina, you now have to register with the state government if you're a member of a "subversive" group that "advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means." Now it's intended to target terrorists, which I'm sure will be lining up to be the first to register (</sarcasm>), but this seems like a step in a REALLY bad direction. There's language to "exclude" religious and patriotic groups, among others, but it seems to pretty much cancel out. It basically says they're exempt as long as they don't fall into the above-stated category. A little creative interpretation of this one could basically jail dissidents (For up to 10 years) for behaviors that should be protected under the first amendment. I thought the idea in this country was that anyone can say just about whatever they want, and it's up to everyone else to dispute or ignore them if they're acting like idiots. The only saving grace here is the "by force or violence or other unlawful means" clause that's repeated in the text. So a peaceful regime change would be excluded... Still... Creepy...

    Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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      Ok, I just spotted this on Slashdot, and it's a little creepy... Well, more than a little creepy... http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/[^] In South Carolina, you now have to register with the state government if you're a member of a "subversive" group that "advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means." Now it's intended to target terrorists, which I'm sure will be lining up to be the first to register (</sarcasm>), but this seems like a step in a REALLY bad direction. There's language to "exclude" religious and patriotic groups, among others, but it seems to pretty much cancel out. It basically says they're exempt as long as they don't fall into the above-stated category. A little creative interpretation of this one could basically jail dissidents (For up to 10 years) for behaviors that should be protected under the first amendment. I thought the idea in this country was that anyone can say just about whatever they want, and it's up to everyone else to dispute or ignore them if they're acting like idiots. The only saving grace here is the "by force or violence or other unlawful means" clause that's repeated in the text. So a peaceful regime change would be excluded... Still... Creepy...

      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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      CaptainSeeSharp
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      This is just part of the puzzle, they are moving on all fronts with redundancy on all levels.

      Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

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      • I Ian Shlasko

        Ok, I just spotted this on Slashdot, and it's a little creepy... Well, more than a little creepy... http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/[^] In South Carolina, you now have to register with the state government if you're a member of a "subversive" group that "advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means." Now it's intended to target terrorists, which I'm sure will be lining up to be the first to register (</sarcasm>), but this seems like a step in a REALLY bad direction. There's language to "exclude" religious and patriotic groups, among others, but it seems to pretty much cancel out. It basically says they're exempt as long as they don't fall into the above-stated category. A little creative interpretation of this one could basically jail dissidents (For up to 10 years) for behaviors that should be protected under the first amendment. I thought the idea in this country was that anyone can say just about whatever they want, and it's up to everyone else to dispute or ignore them if they're acting like idiots. The only saving grace here is the "by force or violence or other unlawful means" clause that's repeated in the text. So a peaceful regime change would be excluded... Still... Creepy...

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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        josda1000
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        Ever heard of the MIAC report? Here we go, down the rabbit hole. (EDIT) I should have mentioned that this is the kind of thing that the USA PATRIOT Act authorized. Obama, being a Democrat, had a golden opportunity about a couple of months ago to start winding the Act down, but instead asked for it to be continued. What a great Democrat/Progressive/Big Government guy. Wake up people. (/EDIT)

        modified on Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM

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        • I Ian Shlasko

          Ok, I just spotted this on Slashdot, and it's a little creepy... Well, more than a little creepy... http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/[^] In South Carolina, you now have to register with the state government if you're a member of a "subversive" group that "advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means." Now it's intended to target terrorists, which I'm sure will be lining up to be the first to register (</sarcasm>), but this seems like a step in a REALLY bad direction. There's language to "exclude" religious and patriotic groups, among others, but it seems to pretty much cancel out. It basically says they're exempt as long as they don't fall into the above-stated category. A little creative interpretation of this one could basically jail dissidents (For up to 10 years) for behaviors that should be protected under the first amendment. I thought the idea in this country was that anyone can say just about whatever they want, and it's up to everyone else to dispute or ignore them if they're acting like idiots. The only saving grace here is the "by force or violence or other unlawful means" clause that's repeated in the text. So a peaceful regime change would be excluded... Still... Creepy...

          Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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          Lost User
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          JSOP started a thread about this in the lounge this morning.[^]

          L u n a t i c F r i n g e

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            This is just part of the puzzle, they are moving on all fronts with redundancy on all levels.

            Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

            modified on Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:21 PM

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            Run! Run! They're ALL out to get you! -- or -- You are retarded.


            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H

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            • I Ian Shlasko

              Ok, I just spotted this on Slashdot, and it's a little creepy... Well, more than a little creepy... http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/[^] In South Carolina, you now have to register with the state government if you're a member of a "subversive" group that "advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means." Now it's intended to target terrorists, which I'm sure will be lining up to be the first to register (</sarcasm>), but this seems like a step in a REALLY bad direction. There's language to "exclude" religious and patriotic groups, among others, but it seems to pretty much cancel out. It basically says they're exempt as long as they don't fall into the above-stated category. A little creative interpretation of this one could basically jail dissidents (For up to 10 years) for behaviors that should be protected under the first amendment. I thought the idea in this country was that anyone can say just about whatever they want, and it's up to everyone else to dispute or ignore them if they're acting like idiots. The only saving grace here is the "by force or violence or other unlawful means" clause that's repeated in the text. So a peaceful regime change would be excluded... Still... Creepy...

              Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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              ragnaroknrol
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              How do you jail mobsters? Tax evasion. They made it illegal not to report the income that was gained through illegal means. No one in their right mind would report that income, so they have a simple method of nailing them if they can show the income. In Iowa they made a Cannibis stamp law. You have to buy some stamps for X amount of Pot. Now Pot is illegal in the state, so no one would go up and buy these. So when they bust you with the pot, they tack on a fine and possible jail time for not having these stamps. I think some idiot lawmaker thought this would be a great way of tacking on another 10 years for a terrorist and somehow never thought it through. Never attribute something to maliciousness that can be equally attributed to complete stupidity, as the stupidity is the likely cause. ;)

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                Run! Run! They're ALL out to get you! -- or -- You are retarded.


                Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H

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                JustWorking
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                The 2nd one ;)

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