A letter from Larken Rose on the events transpiring yesterday in Austin.
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No he wasn't inciting people to violence. He wanted people to wake up and take their lives back. He was extreme with his measure, however he was just trying to make a statement. He wanted people to become aware of the system, not to incite to violence.
He wasn't inciting people to violence, he just wanted them to "wake up and take their lives back". He was "trying to make a statement". Do you even listen to yourself? Edit: Oh and funnily enough, even if you're right and his intention really was to inspire non-violent change, that would still make him a terrorist.
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Like I said, I do not condone what he did! I just fuckin understand it! What is it that you don't understand? I don't like what he did, and yes he should have protested instead! Absolutely! But I'm saying it's a CRIME! Not terrorism!
Because it is terrorism. It fits the bill. Read the response above about Oklahoma City. It can be 17 people, 2, or just 1. Doesn't matter. Killing people for a cause to become a martyr is asking for copycats. It's setting up and justifying it for others.
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Let me point out something... Happened just 1 time[^] AT THE TIME they defined it as a terrorist act. Immediately. From 1995 to 2005, over 60 domestic terrorism plots were foiled due to preventive measures taken in response to the bombing. Note, domestic terrorist plots. Here is the accompanying article[^] So we have organized hate groups out there. A lot of them looking for justification to do something very bad. So, how many do you think this guy will inspire? You don't need to deliver the bomb if you can hop into a cesna filled with fuel and take care of business that way. The fact that you agree with his agenda and so are willing to not call a spade a spade is disturbing Joshua. I thought you were better than that.
This does seem to clear it up. Sure. I just fear very much the thought that we are going to call, QUICKLY, a guy a terrorist. It took them four hours to call him a terrorist, and they didn't have all the information. I'm nervous for the country sir. I'll concede. Just know my fear.
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He wasn't inciting people to violence, he just wanted them to "wake up and take their lives back". He was "trying to make a statement". Do you even listen to yourself? Edit: Oh and funnily enough, even if you're right and his intention really was to inspire non-violent change, that would still make him a terrorist.
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Dey tuk ir jerrrrrrbs! :)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)I have Team America stuck in my head. Thanks. Now I gotta find that DVD...
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wolfbinary wrote:
Your interpretation. I've never heard the supreme court hear any case involving income tax and it's constitutionality.
Look it up then. Treasury Decision 2313 Eisner v. Macomber Flint v. Stone Tracy Co. Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co.
wolfbinary wrote:
How is an income tax immoral? Please explain.
Gladly. It's a redistribution of wealth through coercion. If you don't pay, you go to jail. Yes, that's the way with many things in government. However, if you were to pay sales taxes, you'd have to do it on the spot. With income tax, it is usually deferred and you have to do it within a certain period of time. So, if you don't pay it, you have cars, houses, land, etc seized or other extreme things such as jail time. I'd call that immoral, how about you? Violence is wrong, and the founders knew it, so they decided to implement an indirect taxation system through the states, as opposed to directly to the People.
josda1000 wrote:
Treasury Decision 2313 Eisner v. Macomber Flint v. Stone Tracy Co. Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co.
From what I can tell the supreme court upheld income tax on money earned, not other financial instruments, as income that was taxable. Then based on that income tax is constitutional. So what's all the fuss about, people don't like paying for things the government does and so they b$tch about it.
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This does seem to clear it up. Sure. I just fear very much the thought that we are going to call, QUICKLY, a guy a terrorist. It took them four hours to call him a terrorist, and they didn't have all the information. I'm nervous for the country sir. I'll concede. Just know my fear.
Ow, I know your fear. We apply terrorist to anything that pisses us off and consists of foreigners. We don't to local threats that are actually making people live in fear. Using it for a boogeyman is a horrible thing. But not seeing it when it is real is bad too. Thank you, I knew you'd see it for what it was.
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No link, so I'm posting the whole thing... ----- Original Message ----- From: tmds-list-owner@mail-list.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Mr. Stack, Rest in Peace Rest in Peace, Mr. Stack Earlier today, a victim of the largest extortion racket in the world struck back, giving up his life in the process. The control freaks, and their propagandists who pretend to be "reporters," will no doubt spend the next few weeks demonizing the man, or painting him as crazy. You can decide for yourself if this was the case. As best I can tell, today Joseph Stack burned down his house, and then crashed his plane into the Austin, Texas offices of the IRS. We don't need to ponder the reason, because he told us why, in a suicide note, which can be read here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.infoarticle24783.htm I found reading the note very disturbing, mainly because Mr. Stack was obviously far more intelligent, and more in touch with reality, than the vast majority of Americans. In other words, compared to the deluded masses of conformists, Mr. Stack was the sane one. Several statements in his suicide note show that he had overcome the authoritarian statist indoctrination far more than most people ever will. Does the following sentiment sound familiar? "We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place ... I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood." [Joseph Stack, 2/18/2010] A lot of you will find aspects of Mr. Stack's personal story disturbingly familiar. I see no need to parse every sentence of it, though I would urge everyone to read it all, carefully. What would drive a rational, intelligent man to do such a thing? Of course, the control freaks and their propagandists will paint Mr. Stack as a nutcase, and will claim that his actions, by themselves, prove that he was insane. But they don't. They prove he was desperate, and frustrated, and that he was willing to GIVE UP HIS LIFE to try to resist injustice. And THAT is the part the parasite class does NOT want people to think about. They will paint him as a "mentally unstable" "tax cheat," or apply to him whatever other labels they think might make people not want to THINK about what Mr.
josda1000 wrote:
Most do it without thinking, and I doubt any of them accept any personal responsibility for their actions. "Hey, I'm just doing my job." Yeah, you and the Nazi SS. But this is the problem that the "authority" myth creates: a bunch of brain-dead authoritarian jackasses, day after day, terrorize, extort and rob millions and millions of people. The people are then left with a choice: go after the unthinking bureaucrats whose main sin is being blindly obedient, or allow injustice to continue.
Most do it without thinking. I doubt any of them accept any personal responsibility for their actions. Wow! Such omniscience! I can't speak for the USA, of course, but having worked with bureaucrats in both the public and private sectors for 50 years, to me brain-dead, authoritarian, unthinking, blindly obedient personality traits were evenly distributed throughout both. Were any of them in any way like the Nazi SS - of course not. But Mr Rose has a Nazi mind set, instead of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, et al, his Concentration Camps would be bulging with State Mercenaries (Police), Terrorists (IRS), Tyrants (Elected Legislators), et al. Mr Rose is a bitter little man, and I feel sorry for him. It is so hard for the self employed to dodge their taxes[^].
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Excuse me, but he did make a statement. See the other thread on Joe Stack's letter. And within the letter, he says he wanted people to wake up and see what's going on around them. So, yes. I think I'm in the right here.
josda1000 wrote:
And within the letter, he says he wanted people to wake up and see what's going on around them. So, yes. I think I'm in the right here.
He committed a violent act for that purpose. How exactly does that make him anything other than the textbook, the common, and every other conceivable definition of a terrorist?
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I have Team America stuck in my head. Thanks. Now I gotta find that DVD...
Hey, that's from South Park, not Team America.... Same writers, yeah, but still :)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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josda1000 wrote:
Most do it without thinking, and I doubt any of them accept any personal responsibility for their actions. "Hey, I'm just doing my job." Yeah, you and the Nazi SS. But this is the problem that the "authority" myth creates: a bunch of brain-dead authoritarian jackasses, day after day, terrorize, extort and rob millions and millions of people. The people are then left with a choice: go after the unthinking bureaucrats whose main sin is being blindly obedient, or allow injustice to continue.
Most do it without thinking. I doubt any of them accept any personal responsibility for their actions. Wow! Such omniscience! I can't speak for the USA, of course, but having worked with bureaucrats in both the public and private sectors for 50 years, to me brain-dead, authoritarian, unthinking, blindly obedient personality traits were evenly distributed throughout both. Were any of them in any way like the Nazi SS - of course not. But Mr Rose has a Nazi mind set, instead of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, et al, his Concentration Camps would be bulging with State Mercenaries (Police), Terrorists (IRS), Tyrants (Elected Legislators), et al. Mr Rose is a bitter little man, and I feel sorry for him. It is so hard for the self employed to dodge their taxes[^].
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Larken Rose did. The text you copy-pasted for your original post.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel) -
Larken Rose did. The text you copy-pasted for your original post.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel) -
Apparently I missed the part where he said "Nazi SS" because I definitely don't remember them lol Wow I think I just need that beer in my fridge back home... Got time for a drink sometime Ian? lol
Heheh... Well, I don't drink, but if you're ever in the big apple, we could meet up.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel) -
Excuse me, but he did make a statement. See the other thread on Joe Stack's letter. And within the letter, he says he wanted people to wake up and see what's going on around them. So, yes. I think I'm in the right here.
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No link, so I'm posting the whole thing... ----- Original Message ----- From: tmds-list-owner@mail-list.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Mr. Stack, Rest in Peace Rest in Peace, Mr. Stack Earlier today, a victim of the largest extortion racket in the world struck back, giving up his life in the process. The control freaks, and their propagandists who pretend to be "reporters," will no doubt spend the next few weeks demonizing the man, or painting him as crazy. You can decide for yourself if this was the case. As best I can tell, today Joseph Stack burned down his house, and then crashed his plane into the Austin, Texas offices of the IRS. We don't need to ponder the reason, because he told us why, in a suicide note, which can be read here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.infoarticle24783.htm I found reading the note very disturbing, mainly because Mr. Stack was obviously far more intelligent, and more in touch with reality, than the vast majority of Americans. In other words, compared to the deluded masses of conformists, Mr. Stack was the sane one. Several statements in his suicide note show that he had overcome the authoritarian statist indoctrination far more than most people ever will. Does the following sentiment sound familiar? "We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place ... I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood." [Joseph Stack, 2/18/2010] A lot of you will find aspects of Mr. Stack's personal story disturbingly familiar. I see no need to parse every sentence of it, though I would urge everyone to read it all, carefully. What would drive a rational, intelligent man to do such a thing? Of course, the control freaks and their propagandists will paint Mr. Stack as a nutcase, and will claim that his actions, by themselves, prove that he was insane. But they don't. They prove he was desperate, and frustrated, and that he was willing to GIVE UP HIS LIFE to try to resist injustice. And THAT is the part the parasite class does NOT want people to think about. They will paint him as a "mentally unstable" "tax cheat," or apply to him whatever other labels they think might make people not want to THINK about what Mr.
This is BS. The guy broke the law, and then decided to kill himself. Boo hoo. I feel bad for the person he killed, not for him.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
Mr Rose has declared open season on all IRS employees.
He has many times in the past already. So yes, he has.
Bob Emmett wrote:
Ignoring the fact that they take that property legally
Yes, they can, because the Constitution says so. Though originally, the Constitution prohibited this very type of tax.
Bob Emmett wrote:
He is saying that anyone is entitled to use violence on them, as they initiate violence and are thus the aggressors.
Yup.
Bob Emmett wrote:
If I were Mr Rose, I would watch my back. There may be armed IRS employees out there who also think that the law is merely politicians' scribbles, and they know where he lives.
I'm sure he does constantly. He's been doing this a long time bro.
josda1000 wrote:
He has many times in the past already.
As I have discovered.
josda1000 wrote:
Though originally, the Constitution prohibited this very type of tax.
Maybe so, but that is not relevant.
josda1000 wrote:
I'm sure he does constantly. He's been doing this a long time
As I have discovered.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos