Guardian.UK: Climate Priests withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels
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Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings. The STUPID PIECE OF SHIT Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
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Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings. The STUPID PIECE OF SHIT Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
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You know it's enough just to say that you disagree or are pleased at the outcome or results; you don't know to get all melodramatic and spiteful: it detracts from your point and makes you look a bit, well, ignorant.
Tychotics: take us back to the moon "Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars." H. G. Wells
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You know it's enough just to say that you disagree or are pleased at the outcome or results; you don't know to get all melodramatic and spiteful: it detracts from your point and makes you look a bit, well, ignorant.
Tychotics: take us back to the moon "Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars." H. G. Wells
Don't care. They need to be punished.
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Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings. The STUPID PIECE OF SHIT Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
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Reality check: People are not perfect. People make mistakes. When someone makes a mistake, particularly in such a hugely complicated model as the one predicting future climates, they don't get "whipped with a leather belt." They fix the error and move on. Would you like to be whipped with a leather belt, stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more, every time someone finds a bug in your code? Well, maybe you would, but this isn't the place for such fantasies.
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Reality check: People are not perfect. People make mistakes. When someone makes a mistake, particularly in such a hugely complicated model as the one predicting future climates, they don't get "whipped with a leather belt." They fix the error and move on. Would you like to be whipped with a leather belt, stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more, every time someone finds a bug in your code? Well, maybe you would, but this isn't the place for such fantasies.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)They are criminals. When you commit a crime, you've made a mistake.
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Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings. The STUPID PIECE OF SHIT Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings. The STUPID PIECE OF sh*t Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
Where is the point of that? At least they have the decency to admit a mistake, and withdraw the study. Too many people would just try to hide the mistake, or blame someone else. I think owning your mistakes is important: it gives everyone else confidence in what you do, since they know you care about what you are doing. Going "medieval on their ass" is hardly going to encourage openness in future, is it?
You should never use standby on an elephant. It always crashes when you lift the ears. - Mark Wallace C/C++ (I dont see a huge difference between them, and the 'benefits' of C++ are questionable, who needs inheritance when you have copy and paste) - fat_boy
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They are criminals. When you commit a crime, you've made a mistake.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They are criminals
Please can you inform us all what laws have been broken.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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They are criminals. When you commit a crime, you've made a mistake.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
When you commit a crime, you've made a mistake.
Hardly: committing a crime is only a mistake when you underestimate the punishment / reward ratio. If you commit a crime and do not get caught, it is not a mistake on the part of the criminal, rather it is exactly the outcome they were seeking.
You should never use standby on an elephant. It always crashes when you lift the ears. - Mark Wallace C/C++ (I dont see a huge difference between them, and the 'benefits' of C++ are questionable, who needs inheritance when you have copy and paste) - fat_boy
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings. The STUPID PIECE OF sh*t Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
Where is the point of that? At least they have the decency to admit a mistake, and withdraw the study. Too many people would just try to hide the mistake, or blame someone else. I think owning your mistakes is important: it gives everyone else confidence in what you do, since they know you care about what you are doing. Going "medieval on their ass" is hardly going to encourage openness in future, is it?
You should never use standby on an elephant. It always crashes when you lift the ears. - Mark Wallace C/C++ (I dont see a huge difference between them, and the 'benefits' of C++ are questionable, who needs inheritance when you have copy and paste) - fat_boy
No, they were forced to admit a lie.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They are criminals
Please can you inform us all what laws have been broken.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
They committed outright fraud and perpetuated a fear-mongering lie using taxpayer dollars, and broke various other laws in the process. They destroyed science.
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No, they were forced to admit a lie.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
they were forced to admit a lie
Having just read the piece[^] I am forced to disagree - it is not a lie to say "Oops, we made a mistake". It is not a lie to make a mistake in the first place. I see nothing in the piece that says they were "forced" to do anything. All it says is "A study has been retracted because of a mistake". Wow! It happens. Car companies find mistakes - they do recalls. Electrical companies find mistakes - they do recalls. Food companies, ditto. None of them are "lying", they are just taking appropriate action to remedy a mistake.
You should never use standby on an elephant. It always crashes when you lift the ears. - Mark Wallace C/C++ (I dont see a huge difference between them, and the 'benefits' of C++ are questionable, who needs inheritance when you have copy and paste) - fat_boy
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Reality check: People are not perfect. People make mistakes. When someone makes a mistake, particularly in such a hugely complicated model as the one predicting future climates, they don't get "whipped with a leather belt." They fix the error and move on. Would you like to be whipped with a leather belt, stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more, every time someone finds a bug in your code? Well, maybe you would, but this isn't the place for such fantasies.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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They committed outright fraud and perpetuated a fear-mongering lie using taxpayer dollars, and broke various other laws in the process. They destroyed science.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
committed outright fraud
Check the legal definition of Fraud.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
perpetuated a fear-mongering lie using taxpayer dollars
Wow, from what I can find, the study was at UK, Finish and German Universities - are they being funded by YOUR 'tax dollars' too?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
broke various other laws
Cheap shot. List them!
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They destroyed science
In what way? Be very EXACT if you are going to criticise others mistakes.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
People are not perfect. People make mistakes
They also commit fraud and get sent to prison for it.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
The question is intent. If they INTENTIONALLY altered the data to support a certain outcome, then it is dishonest, and could be considered fraud, given the financial support and political significance. If they simply made a mistake, then the study should be withdrawn, corrected, and re-released.
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Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings. The STUPID PIECE OF SHIT Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
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The study, published in 2009 in Nature Geoscience,[^] So much for peer review. Of course what is MORE interesting is that it is the Guardian that is running the story. They have been AGW proponents for a long time, Monbiot, the looniest of them all, was their regular contributor of vitriol and diatribe, but he hasnt been heard of since.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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The question is intent. If they INTENTIONALLY altered the data to support a certain outcome, then it is dishonest, and could be considered fraud, given the financial support and political significance. If they simply made a mistake, then the study should be withdrawn, corrected, and re-released.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel) -
They are criminals. When you commit a crime, you've made a mistake.
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Does that mean Microsoft has committed a crime every time someone finds a security hole in Windows? Does it mean the weatherman has committed a crime when he says it will be partly cloudy, when it's actually overcast?
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Does that mean Microsoft has committed a crime every time someone finds a security hole in Windows? Does it mean the weatherman has committed a crime when he says it will be partly cloudy, when it's actually overcast?
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Listen, they knew they were fucking lying. They destroyed the data, they made up a load up bullshit, and they attacked any scientist who disagreed with their findings. Capeesh? They need to be fucking whipped with jellyfish laced steel cables.
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And we will never know. And we might never know about the CRU data manipulation either. It seems the panel has been exposed as biased. Pity the hearings arent in public.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
If you're going to start on the "hide the decline" stuff, I'm not even going to dignify it with a response, as it's already been shown to be a false accusation. Anyway, it sounds to me like they found a bug in their model, and are letting everyone know that the data is invalid and needs to be corrected. That earns them respect in my book, as if they were politicians, they would probably do anything they could to hide the problem until they were no longer responsible for it.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel) -
If you're going to start on the "hide the decline" stuff, I'm not even going to dignify it with a response, as it's already been shown to be a false accusation. Anyway, it sounds to me like they found a bug in their model, and are letting everyone know that the data is invalid and needs to be corrected. That earns them respect in my book, as if they were politicians, they would probably do anything they could to hide the problem until they were no longer responsible for it.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
I'm not even going to dignify it with a response, as it's already been shown to be a false accusation.
Bull-fucking-shit!
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