Another 9/11 Theory
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
There were quite a few reports on how the collapses looked more like controlled demolition than a structural failure, and supposedly there were emergency workers on the scene who thought they heard explosions coming from BELOW, just before the collapse (Granted, echoes can be misleading, so this is suspect).
This one bugs me, with the damage done to the building structural members snapping shouldn't be much of a surprise, but the claims of a controlled demolition are based on a remarkable lack of knowledge of physics. When ten stories of building start falling onto the next few stories, there isn't jack shit that's going to stop it. The 'explosive force' or whatever they want to call it today propelling crap out the sides is nothing more than loose debris getting flung out by the force of the stories falling and impacting each other. But the real difference between the fall of the building and a real controlled demolition is quite simple. Watch a controlled demolition sometime, generally the explosives go off in stages, or drop the building all at the same time. Which leads to chunks of the building falling before the rest impacts them, at no point beyond the initial collapse do either of the main towers fall in any way other than through the impact of the upper portions of the tower. If that is the a controlled demolition it's one of the most impressive in history, and the engineers should be given a medal just before we string them up from a street lamp. And what someone heard in a massive building collapse between the thoughts of "wha?" and "I'm going to die" are hardly reliable evidence. The human mind has a remarkable ability to disconnect itself with reality and convince itself that things did in fact happen in some other way, take CSS for instance. There have been studies which show that people will be convinced of what they remember when they're afraid, even if they are completely incorrect in what they remember.
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RichardM1 wrote:
some things still need to be hidden from your enemies.
Yes, the CIA's number one enemy, the American Public.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Yes, the CIA's number one enemy, the American Public.
The problem is that you start with this premise, and only count supporting data as valid. The correct method is to start from a neutral position and let the data show truth. I have a lot of experience that shows me CIA is a bunch of putzes, just like everyone else. Some are smart. Some are not. Some go for US Gov job security. Some go to do the right thing for the US. A very minor few go into it for power and control (Nobody goes for the money). An even smaller go in with illicit intent. All of those I know have gone to jail. 100% of them. You can and will believe what you want, and spout off about it more than anyone wants to hear. And the CIA is part of why you are able to. So thank them, the next time you cuss them.
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Oh, you don't mean... no... I won't believe it... you're trolling! :-)
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Hey, I'm allowed to get bored on a Monday morning :) Anyway, I wanted to see how CSS would react, but he seems to be avoiding it.
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http://www.ae911truth.org/[^] 1085 architectural and engineering professionals and 7077 other supporters including A&E students have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1[^] disagrees with you so does http://www.jod911.com/[^] and in direct responce to your posted site http://www.ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php[^] oh and by the way only 284 of those 1085 on the partition are degree qualified, and suprisingly that number includes landscape architects
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1[^] disagrees with you so does http://www.jod911.com/[^] and in direct responce to your posted site http://www.ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php[^] oh and by the way only 284 of those 1085 on the partition are degree qualified, and suprisingly that number includes landscape architects
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Nice links! Love the PM article... Very informative.
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Nice links! Love the PM article... Very informative.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Pound to a penny CSS doesnt read the links - he doesnt seem keen in reading anything that disagrees with his opinion
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Pound to a penny CSS doesnt read the links - he doesnt seem keen in reading anything that disagrees with his opinion
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Oh, of course not, but the PM text about the utility shafts and air compression actually didn't occur to me. Makes perfect sense now. Even fits in with the radio chatter, where firemen were talking about explosions below... Combustible gases go down the elevator shafts, meet sparks in the basement, boom.
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So... Skimmed the below 9/11 thread this morning, and as an NYC resident (I was at college in the suburbs when it happened, but still in the area), I kind of have to chime in, right? Loose Change is bloody ridiculous, and so is Zeitgeist... I'm not even going to touch the garbage in CSS's signature, though I assume that's just as awful. Still, there are elements that don't seem to quite make sense... Off the top of my head... What are the pieces of the conspiracy theory that aren't COMPLETELY ridiculous? (i.e. the parts that have at least an ounce of credibility)... 1) Larry Silverstein, the owner, had very recently insured (Or was it bought & insured) the properties, and made a ton of money. 2) There were quite a few reports on how the collapses looked more like controlled demolition than a structural failure, and supposedly there were emergency workers on the scene who thought they heard explosions coming from BELOW, just before the collapse (Granted, echoes can be misleading, so this is suspect). So, here's a different hypothesis that just popped into my head... Feel free to try to prove/disprove it. And keep in mind, this is JUST a hypothesis, not an accusation: A) The attack was done by a bunch of pissed-off terrorists, not by our government B) Larry Silverstein heard about the attack beforehand, or was contacted by said terrorists, or perhaps was already in contact with them, and figured he'd take advantage of it. C) Either he offered the twin towers as potential targets and promised to assist, or found they were already targeted and decided to ensure it all happened as planned. D) He hired a few very discrete people to plant explosives in the towers. When the towers looked about ready to collapse, he hit the switch and made sure it was a complete wipe, so he could collect the maximum amount of insurance and have the easiest job of rebuilding (No chance of the city just forcing him to repair) E) The government was just completely incompetent, and not in any way involved, but still saw that as the perfect excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, something they'd wanted to do for a while. Conspiracy members (Secret-keepers): Al Qaeda, Larry Silverstein, 5-10 hired "contractors" to plant charges Motivation: Money. Thoughts? EDIT (After seeing a bunch of the replies): Just to be clear, I'm not saying I believe this, nor am I siding with it. Just trying to spark some discussion other than Climategate :)
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1 - this proves that the guy is lucky, it doesn't prove anything more. 2 - This is widely covered in any debunking site. Basically, as the buildings collapsed, air was compressed, as the floors fell on each other. This blew out the windows at the bottom. There was no demolition, no explosion, it just looked that way to people who were already in shock. *grin* I'll take E, that's always been my view. Afghanistan made sense, but Iraq was obviously something they had been waiting for an excuse to do for a long time.
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1 - this proves that the guy is lucky, it doesn't prove anything more. 2 - This is widely covered in any debunking site. Basically, as the buildings collapsed, air was compressed, as the floors fell on each other. This blew out the windows at the bottom. There was no demolition, no explosion, it just looked that way to people who were already in shock. *grin* I'll take E, that's always been my view. Afghanistan made sense, but Iraq was obviously something they had been waiting for an excuse to do for a long time.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Yep, I think the links Alex gave pretty much knock #2 out entirely.
Christian Graus wrote:
*grin* I'll take E, that's always been my view. Afghanistan made sense, but Iraq was obviously something they had been waiting for an excuse to do for a long time.
Yeah, Dubya just wanted to one-up his father. I can imagine the conversation afterwards... Dubya: "Hey, daddy! Look at what I did in Iraq! I got rid of the nukular weapons, and got that little bastard lynched!" Bush: "Junior, there weren't any nuclear weapons there." Dubya: "Uh... so? I got him! Yay democracy!" Bush: "And you bankrupted the country in the process. Did you ever think about that?" Dubya: "Shut up, daddy! You're jus' mad that I invade better than you!" Bush: *sigh*... "Bar' was right... Should have backed Jeb." Seriously... Bush Sr. wasn't exactly my favorite president (Not that I remember much, as I was eight years old when he was elected), but at least the guy had a brain...
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Oh no, not that, anything but a bunch of busybodies who can't be bothered to look at evidence and attempt to explain why it isn't possible. And there is no truly independent investigation, they want the results they assume to be true, no an investigation. I'm quite sure I have more of a background in physics and engineering than you do, due to the sadists who designed my degree program I could probably design and build CPU from scratch if I absolutely needed to. And to get to those physics classes I had to go through all of the basics, tack on honors physics from high school(the year after 9/11 none the less). That said, I did get into an argument with a few structural engineering students in college over this and deflated them pretty quickly by pointing out their initial assumptions were quite wrong due to the odd nature of the tower's structure. But hey, us software guys don't know anything right?