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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    Oh, you don't mean... no... I won't believe it... you're trolling! :-)

    Tychotics: take us back to the moon "Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars." H. G. Wells

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    Ian Shlasko
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    Hey, I'm allowed to get bored on a Monday morning :) Anyway, I wanted to see how CSS would react, but he seems to be avoiding it.

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    • C CaptainSeeSharp

      http://www.ae911truth.org/[^] 1085 architectural and engineering professionals and 7077 other supporters including A&E students have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.

      Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

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      Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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      http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1[^] disagrees with you so does http://www.jod911.com/[^] and in direct responce to your posted site http://www.ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php[^] oh and by the way only 284 of those 1085 on the partition are degree qualified, and suprisingly that number includes landscape architects

      Smile and the world smiles withyou, laugh and they think you are a nutter

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        http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1[^] disagrees with you so does http://www.jod911.com/[^] and in direct responce to your posted site http://www.ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php[^] oh and by the way only 284 of those 1085 on the partition are degree qualified, and suprisingly that number includes landscape architects

        Smile and the world smiles withyou, laugh and they think you are a nutter

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        Ian Shlasko
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        Nice links! Love the PM article... Very informative.

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          Nice links! Love the PM article... Very informative.

          Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
          Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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          Pound to a penny CSS doesnt read the links - he doesnt seem keen in reading anything that disagrees with his opinion

          Smile and the world smiles withyou, laugh and they think you are a nutter

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            Pound to a penny CSS doesnt read the links - he doesnt seem keen in reading anything that disagrees with his opinion

            Smile and the world smiles withyou, laugh and they think you are a nutter

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            Ian Shlasko
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            Oh, of course not, but the PM text about the utility shafts and air compression actually didn't occur to me. Makes perfect sense now. Even fits in with the radio chatter, where firemen were talking about explosions below... Combustible gases go down the elevator shafts, meet sparks in the basement, boom.

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            • I Ian Shlasko

              So... Skimmed the below 9/11 thread this morning, and as an NYC resident (I was at college in the suburbs when it happened, but still in the area), I kind of have to chime in, right? Loose Change is bloody ridiculous, and so is Zeitgeist... I'm not even going to touch the garbage in CSS's signature, though I assume that's just as awful. Still, there are elements that don't seem to quite make sense... Off the top of my head... What are the pieces of the conspiracy theory that aren't COMPLETELY ridiculous? (i.e. the parts that have at least an ounce of credibility)... 1) Larry Silverstein, the owner, had very recently insured (Or was it bought & insured) the properties, and made a ton of money. 2) There were quite a few reports on how the collapses looked more like controlled demolition than a structural failure, and supposedly there were emergency workers on the scene who thought they heard explosions coming from BELOW, just before the collapse (Granted, echoes can be misleading, so this is suspect). So, here's a different hypothesis that just popped into my head... Feel free to try to prove/disprove it. And keep in mind, this is JUST a hypothesis, not an accusation: A) The attack was done by a bunch of pissed-off terrorists, not by our government B) Larry Silverstein heard about the attack beforehand, or was contacted by said terrorists, or perhaps was already in contact with them, and figured he'd take advantage of it. C) Either he offered the twin towers as potential targets and promised to assist, or found they were already targeted and decided to ensure it all happened as planned. D) He hired a few very discrete people to plant explosives in the towers. When the towers looked about ready to collapse, he hit the switch and made sure it was a complete wipe, so he could collect the maximum amount of insurance and have the easiest job of rebuilding (No chance of the city just forcing him to repair) E) The government was just completely incompetent, and not in any way involved, but still saw that as the perfect excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, something they'd wanted to do for a while. Conspiracy members (Secret-keepers): Al Qaeda, Larry Silverstein, 5-10 hired "contractors" to plant charges Motivation: Money. Thoughts? EDIT (After seeing a bunch of the replies): Just to be clear, I'm not saying I believe this, nor am I siding with it. Just trying to spark some discussion other than Climategate :)

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              Christian Graus
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              1 - this proves that the guy is lucky, it doesn't prove anything more. 2 - This is widely covered in any debunking site. Basically, as the buildings collapsed, air was compressed, as the floors fell on each other. This blew out the windows at the bottom. There was no demolition, no explosion, it just looked that way to people who were already in shock. *grin* I'll take E, that's always been my view. Afghanistan made sense, but Iraq was obviously something they had been waiting for an excuse to do for a long time.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                1 - this proves that the guy is lucky, it doesn't prove anything more. 2 - This is widely covered in any debunking site. Basically, as the buildings collapsed, air was compressed, as the floors fell on each other. This blew out the windows at the bottom. There was no demolition, no explosion, it just looked that way to people who were already in shock. *grin* I'll take E, that's always been my view. Afghanistan made sense, but Iraq was obviously something they had been waiting for an excuse to do for a long time.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                Yep, I think the links Alex gave pretty much knock #2 out entirely.

                Christian Graus wrote:

                *grin* I'll take E, that's always been my view. Afghanistan made sense, but Iraq was obviously something they had been waiting for an excuse to do for a long time.

                Yeah, Dubya just wanted to one-up his father. I can imagine the conversation afterwards... Dubya: "Hey, daddy! Look at what I did in Iraq! I got rid of the nukular weapons, and got that little bastard lynched!" Bush: "Junior, there weren't any nuclear weapons there." Dubya: "Uh... so? I got him! Yay democracy!" Bush: "And you bankrupted the country in the process. Did you ever think about that?" Dubya: "Shut up, daddy! You're jus' mad that I invade better than you!" Bush: *sigh*... "Bar' was right... Should have backed Jeb." Seriously... Bush Sr. wasn't exactly my favorite president (Not that I remember much, as I was eight years old when he was elected), but at least the guy had a brain...

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                • C CaptainSeeSharp

                  http://www.ae911truth.org/[^] 1085 architectural and engineering professionals and 7077 other supporters including A&E students have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.

                  Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]

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                  Distind
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                  Oh no, not that, anything but a bunch of busybodies who can't be bothered to look at evidence and attempt to explain why it isn't possible. And there is no truly independent investigation, they want the results they assume to be true, no an investigation. I'm quite sure I have more of a background in physics and engineering than you do, due to the sadists who designed my degree program I could probably design and build CPU from scratch if I absolutely needed to. And to get to those physics classes I had to go through all of the basics, tack on honors physics from high school(the year after 9/11 none the less). That said, I did get into an argument with a few structural engineering students in college over this and deflated them pretty quickly by pointing out their initial assumptions were quite wrong due to the odd nature of the tower's structure. But hey, us software guys don't know anything right?

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