Possible 10 million acre land grab coming.
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That's why we have the states where all the pretty land got clearcut and replaced with farmland. ;) It's much cheaper to use them since the land is already ready to be used in this manner. Though South Dakota seems to be getting more friendly towards unrestrained capitalism with the resolution calling carbon dioxide "Not a pollutant, but helpful to plant growth." Why they use that tact, when you can't grow anything more than 2 months up there before a frost kills it all is beyond me. We can get cars and food cheaper in the spots where they alreday have an infrastructure in place to produce it. You ever driven in Montana or Colorado? It would cost too much to level the place so that you don't use up 2 gazillion gallons of gas climbing a mountain every 30 feet of horizontal travel. Software is a service industry. Even if it wasn't, who the hell needs more than a shack with an internet connection to produce it? The cost involved with getting them connected to the internet is a heck of a lot more than just letting people in California do it. Those folks at least might visit the park... That and we can use the 3rd world, cause they are cheap slave labor, duh! They grow crops for pennies because they aren't regulated, they make cars in sweat shop atmospheres, and they have programmers that come here to ask how to move info from one form to another. Perfect system that can be exploited. Don't worry, pure capitalism has an answer!
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Why they use that tact, when you can't grow anything more than 2 months up there before a frost kills it all is beyond me.
I can explain this, if you live far enough north you're actually rooting for global warming. It's friggen cold up here.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
That's why we have the states where all the pretty land got clearcut and replaced with farmland. Wink
Sorry, I was bitching about government service jobs. I don't know enough to argue either way about the 'land grab'. But isn't 10^7 acres one small ranch in Montana?
ragnaroknrol wrote:
You ever driven in Montana or Colorado?
I flew over Montana in a light plane back in '83, up to Fort Peck Dam. The pilot made us hurry to get started, he couldn't take of after twilight with a paying fair, but if he was already up, it was ok. After it was dark, I looked out and saw one set of lights between us and the horizon.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
a mountain every 30 feet of horizontal travel.
It's not that bad, at least where I was. The land never changed altitude by more than 30 feet. It just did it every 30 feet.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Software is a service industry.
I disagree. Some IT is service, but SW development is often creating IP. Government service jobs generally eat more than they produce.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Don't worry, pure capitalism has an answer!
Well I'm glad to hear that, since the answers socialism has been coming up with are all hosed. So don't act like css from the other direction.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
Well I'm glad to hear that, since the answers socialism has been coming up with are all hosed. So don't act like css from the other direction.
I think we all* agree that neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism are the answer, and that a combination of the two works quite a bit better. The only question is how much of each to pour into the pot. * Except for Pillowpants. (Much funnier nickname than PWP)
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RichardM1 wrote:
Well I'm glad to hear that, since the answers socialism has been coming up with are all hosed. So don't act like css from the other direction.
I think we all* agree that neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism are the answer, and that a combination of the two works quite a bit better. The only question is how much of each to pour into the pot. * Except for Pillowpants. (Much funnier nickname than PWP)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)I was so hoping pillowpants would bite...
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
That's why we have the states where all the pretty land got clearcut and replaced with farmland. Wink
Sorry, I was bitching about government service jobs. I don't know enough to argue either way about the 'land grab'. But isn't 10^7 acres one small ranch in Montana?
ragnaroknrol wrote:
You ever driven in Montana or Colorado?
I flew over Montana in a light plane back in '83, up to Fort Peck Dam. The pilot made us hurry to get started, he couldn't take of after twilight with a paying fair, but if he was already up, it was ok. After it was dark, I looked out and saw one set of lights between us and the horizon.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
a mountain every 30 feet of horizontal travel.
It's not that bad, at least where I was. The land never changed altitude by more than 30 feet. It just did it every 30 feet.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Software is a service industry.
I disagree. Some IT is service, but SW development is often creating IP. Government service jobs generally eat more than they produce.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Don't worry, pure capitalism has an answer!
Well I'm glad to hear that, since the answers socialism has been coming up with are all hosed. So don't act like css from the other direction.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
Well I'm glad to hear that, since the answers socialism has been coming up with are all hosed. So don't act like css from the other direction.
My intended satire of a purely capitalist position. I was hoping CSS would try to refute me and then realizing what he did, would explode.
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Ah! Detroit! :confused: Wait,that's too light doesn't weigh enough! Enough sunlight, CO2 and H2O makes plants. Enough plants pressure, time and luck make petroleum. Enough petroleum, used correctly, turns rust back to iron.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Gotcha, we just need to wait a few million years. Stupid mortality. ;)
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/02/white-house-land-grab/[^] You'd think the Obama administration is busy enough controlling the banks, insurance companies and automakers, but thanks to whistleblowers at the Department of the Interior, we now learn they're planning to increase their control over energy-rich land in the West. A secret administration memo has surfaced revealing plans for the federal government to seize more than 10 million acres from Montana to New Mexico, halting job- creating activities like ranching, forestry, mining and energy development. Worse, this land grab would dry up tax revenue that's essential for funding schools, firehouses and community centers. President Obama could enact the plans in this memo with just the stroke of a pen, without any input from the communities affected by it.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
It's not amazing to me that your such an ignorant asshat that you can't tell the difference between another asshat's comments and reality. Since this moron didn't produce the actual memo as part of the article I can only conclude that he wouldn't want anyone to read his source material after making such a usual blatant lie. You like tell people what to think and that people need to do the research for themselves. Why don't you look at the original sources of the articles that make such wild claims as fluoride being birth control, etc. I find your posting usually amusing and fun to watch other people post things against. Once again I'm sure you'll provide this group a body to poke a stick at. Please continue. ;P
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Why they use that tact, when you can't grow anything more than 2 months up there before a frost kills it all is beyond me.
I can explain this, if you live far enough north you're actually rooting for global warming. It's friggen cold up here.
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RichardM1 wrote:
Well I'm glad to hear that, since the answers socialism has been coming up with are all hosed. So don't act like css from the other direction.
I think we all* agree that neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism are the answer, and that a combination of the two works quite a bit better. The only question is how much of each to pour into the pot. * Except for Pillowpants. (Much funnier nickname than PWP)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel) -
Ian Shlasko wrote:
* Except for Pillowpants. (Much funnier nickname than PWP)
:sigh: I'm out of the loop, who is PWP?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
PWP = CSS, but I've assigned him a more entertaining nickname.
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RichardM1 wrote:
I think he is saying that if you start with n atoms of iron, and none leave the system, you end up with n atoms of iron. Which is true.
Oxidized iron is pretty useless though. And there is an awful lot of it. Heck, I could account for almost 2000 lbs of oxidized iron on a former car... :laugh:
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Oxidized iron is pretty useless though.
Mix it with a little powered aluminum, stick in a magnesium ribbon as a fuse.... :omg: Oh, and you do get your iron back. :laugh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.