10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto
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ARE Americans practicing Communism? Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it's clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists. Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists. Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!! The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are... 1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership) 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...). 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of
Socialism is not a bad thing. The trouble is that it doesn't work in the real world, because it doesn't take into account human greed and jealousy. Applying some socialist elements to a capitalistic society is not necessarily a bad thing. If you even think of trying to use the USSR or China as examples of socialism being bad, beat yourself over the head with a wooden stick, then go read the previous thread again, particularly us trying to explain to you how those are NOT true communism or socialism, but rather totalitarian regimes. So, onto your points...
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes
Private property is doing just fine. Zoning laws only determine what can be built in a certain area, not who owns it. The only law that supports your argument is Eminent Domain, in which the government can take ownership of private property to support a public project, and every time they do such a thing (They're trying to do it in one part of NYC), it's hugely publicized and open to serious debate.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax
Actually, in some respects, our current income tax is too capitalistic, because the wealthiest actually pay less than their fair share because they have ways to avoid parts of it. If those loopholes were removed, then it would be a socialist element, serving to slightly narrow the income disparity between the upper and lower classes.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Abolition of all rights of inheritance
Fair enough. The estate tax is a step in this direction.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
Tax liens are a capitalistic element, and note that the government does not take ownership. It holds custody of the property until a designated bank can sell it to another private party.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly
Credit is only partially centralized. The central bank only extends credit to the government. All other credit is given by private entities and corporations to other private entities and corporations. Fracti
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ARE Americans practicing Communism? Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it's clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists. Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists. Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!! The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are... 1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership) 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...). 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of
Let's tackle this one by one..
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Nope, people and business may still purchase property and own it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Come to Quebec, we'll show you the definition of Income Tax.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Last I checked, this was still around, albeit I am not a lawyer so I cannot tell you that you are definitively wrong.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
This is where I get confused, because if America was practicing Communism, the Government would have been abolished, thus making it impossible for the "Centralization of credit in the hands of the state", since for communism to exist, the state would not.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
See above.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
See above again.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Everyone can't make a million dollars a year, otherwise a million dollars would give you shit. Minimum wage prevents slave labor, it does not induce it. Go work for 1$ an hour, see if you can afford rent. or bread. And I am pretty sure the 13th Amendment guarantee's the abolishment of slavery, could be wrong though. You would know.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
See: Bullshit, General.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
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You mean helping the women who gambled away her savings, lost her job, and is now gaming the system for free disability money? You mean subsidizing the degenerate class, destroying industry, and confiscating the wealth of the productive class, and converting us into a 3rd world poverty stricken country that pays any measly income workers make to foreign banks?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^] "/I habe an educatiomn a title and a meddal" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010 "...I am not that good" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010
Aww, how cute, you demonize everyone not exactly like you don't you? How about the children of that woman, do they deserve to starve, have no prospects, and suffer because their mother was an idiot? What about their rights? And Mr Social Darwinist, Sir, that's exactly the kind of bullshit line people used to justify eugenics when it was actually popular. See, they're poor, they deserve it, they aren't as highly evolved, they're degenerate scum who deserve to die and shouldn't have kids, but if they do have kids they should just suffer and die as well, as they are from such inferior stock. Isn't that right? Or are her kids entitled to the basic necessities of life just like anyone else the corporate idiots manage to screw out of a job and their life's savings over the last two decades?
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You mean helping the women who gambled away her savings, lost her job, and is now gaming the system for free disability money? You mean subsidizing the degenerate class, destroying industry, and confiscating the wealth of the productive class, and converting us into a 3rd world poverty stricken country that pays any measly income workers make to foreign banks?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^] "/I habe an educatiomn a title and a meddal" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010 "...I am not that good" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010
How about the guy who lost his job because the company decided to "trim production costs" and laid him and another 9000+ workers off a week before buying some private jets for the executives that cost around how much the company saved in laying them off? You mean subsidizing the degenerate class that takes the life savings of hard working people, risks it all in banking schemes and loses that money, then goes and talks to their buddies in Congress who then use the wealth of the working class to make sure those people keep getting bonuses while more of the productive workers are laid off? See I can do it too. Any system that is allowed to run rampant is bad. Pure capitalism is just as "evil" as pure communism. When you are done figuring our black propaganda or have the balls to actually admit when you are wrong, post again.
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Socialism is not a bad thing. The trouble is that it doesn't work in the real world, because it doesn't take into account human greed and jealousy. Applying some socialist elements to a capitalistic society is not necessarily a bad thing. If you even think of trying to use the USSR or China as examples of socialism being bad, beat yourself over the head with a wooden stick, then go read the previous thread again, particularly us trying to explain to you how those are NOT true communism or socialism, but rather totalitarian regimes. So, onto your points...
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes
Private property is doing just fine. Zoning laws only determine what can be built in a certain area, not who owns it. The only law that supports your argument is Eminent Domain, in which the government can take ownership of private property to support a public project, and every time they do such a thing (They're trying to do it in one part of NYC), it's hugely publicized and open to serious debate.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax
Actually, in some respects, our current income tax is too capitalistic, because the wealthiest actually pay less than their fair share because they have ways to avoid parts of it. If those loopholes were removed, then it would be a socialist element, serving to slightly narrow the income disparity between the upper and lower classes.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Abolition of all rights of inheritance
Fair enough. The estate tax is a step in this direction.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
Tax liens are a capitalistic element, and note that the government does not take ownership. It holds custody of the property until a designated bank can sell it to another private party.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly
Credit is only partially centralized. The central bank only extends credit to the government. All other credit is given by private entities and corporations to other private entities and corporations. Fracti
Ian Shlasko wrote:
not who owns
In my county I do not own my home because if I do not pay my property tax I lose the property. Also if the the state wants your property, they get it. Please note I do not always agree with CSS, but I try to listen to all points.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
not who owns
In my county I do not own my home because if I do not pay my property tax I lose the property. Also if the the state wants your property, they get it. Please note I do not always agree with CSS, but I try to listen to all points.
You own your home, you own your property, what you're paying for is continued access to the government's work that lets you get from your property to everywhere else, and those systems that ensure your property stays yours if someone else tries to take it. If you want to opt out of coverage on those things, I'm sure you can declare your independence, send a rep to the UN, and then manage all of those services yourself.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
not who owns
In my county I do not own my home because if I do not pay my property tax I lose the property. Also if the the state wants your property, they get it. Please note I do not always agree with CSS, but I try to listen to all points.
djj55 wrote:
In my county I do not own my home because if I do not pay my property tax I lose the property
Hmmm... True. I suppose the existence of property tax requires this mechanism... The only alternative to dealing with someone who doesn't pay, would be to basically isolate them from all services. I mean, your property taxes are paying for school, fire, police, garbage collection, and a bunch of other services... So I suppose they could just cut you off from those services, and casually let everyone know that if your house happened to be burglarized, the cops wouldn't help :) As for eminent domain (The state taking your property), yes, they can take your property, but like I said, it's not unrestricted... Every time they try to do it around here, there's tons of publicity, public debate, etc etc... It's not something they can do casually.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel) -
Socialism is not a bad thing. The trouble is that it doesn't work in the real world, because it doesn't take into account human greed and jealousy. Applying some socialist elements to a capitalistic society is not necessarily a bad thing. If you even think of trying to use the USSR or China as examples of socialism being bad, beat yourself over the head with a wooden stick, then go read the previous thread again, particularly us trying to explain to you how those are NOT true communism or socialism, but rather totalitarian regimes. So, onto your points...
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes
Private property is doing just fine. Zoning laws only determine what can be built in a certain area, not who owns it. The only law that supports your argument is Eminent Domain, in which the government can take ownership of private property to support a public project, and every time they do such a thing (They're trying to do it in one part of NYC), it's hugely publicized and open to serious debate.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax
Actually, in some respects, our current income tax is too capitalistic, because the wealthiest actually pay less than their fair share because they have ways to avoid parts of it. If those loopholes were removed, then it would be a socialist element, serving to slightly narrow the income disparity between the upper and lower classes.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Abolition of all rights of inheritance
Fair enough. The estate tax is a step in this direction.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
Tax liens are a capitalistic element, and note that the government does not take ownership. It holds custody of the property until a designated bank can sell it to another private party.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly
Credit is only partially centralized. The central bank only extends credit to the government. All other credit is given by private entities and corporations to other private entities and corporations. Fracti
Ian, you persist in enabling this idiot by referring to "his" points. Wetpants doesn't have an original thought of his own and endlessly copies and pastes crap from sites he doesn't understand CAase In Point[^]. I mean, he can't even manage to paraphrase... I know you enjoy baiting him but, I prefer to think of using him as bait. :-D
I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly 'This space for rent' Driven to the arms of Heineken by the wife
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djj55 wrote:
In my county I do not own my home because if I do not pay my property tax I lose the property
Hmmm... True. I suppose the existence of property tax requires this mechanism... The only alternative to dealing with someone who doesn't pay, would be to basically isolate them from all services. I mean, your property taxes are paying for school, fire, police, garbage collection, and a bunch of other services... So I suppose they could just cut you off from those services, and casually let everyone know that if your house happened to be burglarized, the cops wouldn't help :) As for eminent domain (The state taking your property), yes, they can take your property, but like I said, it's not unrestricted... Every time they try to do it around here, there's tons of publicity, public debate, etc etc... It's not something they can do casually.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Well my property taxes must not go to police, fire, trash collection because the city says they need another tax for police and fire, while I pay for trash collection. The school tax has been rule unconstitutional but they have not replaced it with anything else. As to eminent domain when the state took my parents house not publicity until they tore down the house, and definitely no public debate. Yes I know there needs to be property tax but it seems that no matter who you elect they spend it and you wonder how they can sleep at night. The city keeps getting grants for projects that may or may not be needed. Such as a walking path through the middle of my neighbors property - at least that eminent domain has gotten some debate. They paved the road in front of my house two years ago and it needs repaved again because they did not fix the road just coat it with a layer of asphalt.
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You mean helping the women who gambled away her savings, lost her job, and is now gaming the system for free disability money? You mean subsidizing the degenerate class, destroying industry, and confiscating the wealth of the productive class, and converting us into a 3rd world poverty stricken country that pays any measly income workers make to foreign banks?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^] "/I habe an educatiomn a title and a meddal" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010 "...I am not that good" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You mean subsidizing the degenerate class
I agree that it would be very stupid to subsidize you and your ilk...
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