Superstition
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Apparently he's into debating weights or something... Oh yeah, mass...
Didn't parents once tie their sons hands to their beds to prevent that because it was unholy?
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Josh Gray wrote:
Well if you cant see the double standard you are applying here then my comment that the discussion was pointless was pretty bloody accurate.
I can see how it's a double standard to you, because you see no difference between my beliefs and hers. The same as I see no difference between rugby and Aussie Rules. The differences are semantic and irrelevant to me. I'm sure it's the same for you here. However, if I wanted to discuss aussie rules or rugby, I'd find someone who I respected in general and ask their opinion on the basis that they plainly understand the game more than I've ever chosen to.
Josh Gray wrote:
I'd like to think if you take some time to reflect on that comment once you've calmed down you'll see how ridiculous it is.
Well, again, my answer is the same. I've never seen any religious person be as deliberately obtuse as Richard Dawkins has been in the documentaries I've watched of him. I didn't expect to agree with him, but I also didn't expect to feel sorry for him. What a sad little man he is. I am not saying you are the same as him ( in fact, I think I said above that you're not ), but it's a spectrum, and if it's god or no god, on both sides of the discussion are people who have no interest in discussion or rational thought because they've already written off anything the other side may have to say.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The same as I see no difference between rugby and Aussie Rules. The differences are semantic and irrelevant to me.
Oh come on... they are completely different!! For starters - in Aussie Rules you hand pass or kick the ball forwards, then kick it between some upright sticks to score... in rugby, you pass the ball BACKWARDS or you get in trouble, and place the ball over a line to score points... Oh wait... you were making a point... carry on... ;-)
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Josh Gray wrote:
Didn't parents once tie their sons hands to their beds to prevent that because it was unholy?
Then why did my dad always say "Holy Shit"?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: In my experience, there's no greater zealot than an athiest. Some Christians may be just as bad, but none are worse. I'd like to think if you take some time to reflect on that comment once you've calmed down you'll see how ridiculous it is.
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Josh Gray wrote:
For you to assume that my disbelief must be the result of not paying attention shows your own bias.
Well, perhaps. It's my bias that when the Bible offers tangible evidence to the individual, that that consitutes a reason to believe it. (edit to remove the double use of the word 'evidence' )
Josh Gray wrote:
Like the fear of eternity in hell?
Hmmm.... I guess you've not been watching much after all. I do not fear hell. I'm not even sure it's clear from the Bible that anyone goes to hell. That has nothing to do with my worldview or my motivation to be a Christian.
Josh Gray wrote:
Wow, based on what evidence?
Well, that's an interesting question. I plainly have no direct evidence, because I was not there. However, given that the Bible makes specific promises to the individual, which I've found to be true, my experience leads me to believe that it can be trusted. You've really sidestepped most of what I've said to focus on what you want to say. That's fine, just thought I'd point it out.
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modified on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:35 AM
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm not even sure it's clear from the Bible that anyone goes to hell.
Oh, my. Something isn't clear in the bible? I thought everything was there, consistent, nonambiguous, and noncontradictory? :suss:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Yeah, it was a pretty interesting read!!
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See, you're sufficiently obtuse and deliberately ignorant of my views that I wouldn't even have bothered trying this if you were the one who responded.
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Well, Mr Pixie Dust Believer, I wouldn't be tossing around "ignorant" if I were you. You just don't like it because I don't defer to your delusion.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Well if you cant see the double standard you are applying here then my comment that the discussion was pointless was pretty bloody accurate.
I can see how it's a double standard to you, because you see no difference between my beliefs and hers. The same as I see no difference between rugby and Aussie Rules. The differences are semantic and irrelevant to me. I'm sure it's the same for you here. However, if I wanted to discuss aussie rules or rugby, I'd find someone who I respected in general and ask their opinion on the basis that they plainly understand the game more than I've ever chosen to.
Josh Gray wrote:
I'd like to think if you take some time to reflect on that comment once you've calmed down you'll see how ridiculous it is.
Well, again, my answer is the same. I've never seen any religious person be as deliberately obtuse as Richard Dawkins has been in the documentaries I've watched of him. I didn't expect to agree with him, but I also didn't expect to feel sorry for him. What a sad little man he is. I am not saying you are the same as him ( in fact, I think I said above that you're not ), but it's a spectrum, and if it's god or no god, on both sides of the discussion are people who have no interest in discussion or rational thought because they've already written off anything the other side may have to say.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've never seen any religious person be as deliberately obtuse as Richard Dawkins has been in the documentaries I've watched of him
Steady on, I dont use systematic anal rape of choir boys in the Catholic church as examples of Christianity to prove my points.
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RichardM1 wrote:
Then why did my dad always say "Holy sh*t"?
Holy Sheet? probably 'cause he knew he'd get a bolocking when his wife realized she had a choice between changing the sheets and sleeping in a wet spot
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RichardM1 wrote:
I would have categorized him as a Bible thumper, and you as the basher
Interesting, I thought bible basher was a reference to someone preaching and banging their bible on the pulpit to make a point. The other one we get here is God Botherer, someone who prays... ie bothers God.
RichardM1 wrote:
taking a cheap shot and at the village idiot
Yes that is what I meant.
RichardM1 wrote:
Or... Wait... I mean you are not a good enough village idiot to dethrone some of the others we have
Thanks but dont challenge me :)
Josh Gray wrote:
The other one we get here is God Botherer, someone who prays... ie bothers God.
I thought it was that they were constantly bothering others trying to get them to join the flock? Around here the Jehova's Witnesses were noted for that. Always on your doorstep wanting to get in to discuss the good news with you.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Or telling HIM to sleep on it! If he ever wants to see another one.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've never seen any religious person be as deliberately obtuse as Richard Dawkins has been in the documentaries I've watched of him
Steady on, I dont use systematic anal rape of choir boys in the Catholic church as examples of Christianity to prove my points.
I think you just did! ;-)
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Well, Mr Pixie Dust Believer, I wouldn't be tossing around "ignorant" if I were you. You just don't like it because I don't defer to your delusion.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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I think you just did! ;-)
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'm not even sure it's clear from the Bible that anyone goes to hell.
Oh, my. Something isn't clear in the bible? I thought everything was there, consistent, nonambiguous, and noncontradictory? :suss:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
Oh, my. Something isn't clear in the bible? I thought everything was there, consistent, nonambiguous, and noncontradictory? Suspicious
Well then. Maybe if you read it to find out what it says, as opposed to reading it to find the passages that support your world view, you might learn something.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've never seen any religious person be as deliberately obtuse as Richard Dawkins has been in the documentaries I've watched of him
Steady on, I dont use systematic anal rape of choir boys in the Catholic church as examples of Christianity to prove my points.
Like I said, I am not claiming you're at 100% Dawkins, or even terribly close. He's just an obvious example to prove my point.
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Well, Mr Pixie Dust Believer, I wouldn't be tossing around "ignorant" if I were you. You just don't like it because I don't defer to your delusion.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
You just don't like it because I don't defer to your delusion.
I dislike that you're a hypocrite. But, I respect your right to be, I just avoid discussing it with you.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: In my experience, there's no greater zealot than an athiest. Some Christians may be just as bad, but none are worse. I'd like to think if you take some time to reflect on that comment once you've calmed down you'll see how ridiculous it is.
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Yes, my point exactly.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'm not even sure it's clear from the Bible that anyone goes to hell.
Oh, my. Something isn't clear in the bible? I thought everything was there, consistent, nonambiguous, and noncontradictory? :suss:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
LOL - see what I mean ?
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Like I said, I am not claiming you're at 100% Dawkins, or even terribly close. He's just an obvious example to prove my point.
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Christian Graus wrote:
He's just an obvious example to prove my point.
But his existance doesn't prove your point anymore than me saying child abuse by Catholic priests is prof that religion is inherently bad. You're entitled to your point of view and I'm happy to discuss all day but when you start making value judgments by comparing the behavior of religious people to non-religious people you're only showing your own prejudice.