Taxes of the healthbill
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If it's such basic english, why doesn't it say "made well" or "made whole" or similar... I still like the metaphorical translation of it...
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Well, there's all sorts of possible reasons, but I still think that my interpretation is the clearest. Why would the sick be prayed for, if they won't be made well ? Jam 5:15 And their prayer offered in faith will heal the sick, and the Lord will make them well. And anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. From another version.
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Well, there's all sorts of possible reasons, but I still think that my interpretation is the clearest. Why would the sick be prayed for, if they won't be made well ? Jam 5:15 And their prayer offered in faith will heal the sick, and the Lord will make them well. And anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. From another version.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Jam 5:15 And their prayer offered in faith will heal the sick, and the Lord will make them well. And anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven.
Yeah fair enough, I can understand your point of view now having seen the unambiguous version.
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Well, there's all sorts of possible reasons, but I still think that my interpretation is the clearest. Why would the sick be prayed for, if they won't be made well ? Jam 5:15 And their prayer offered in faith will heal the sick, and the Lord will make them well. And anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. From another version.
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Yes, that version is much clearer... I wonder which is the correct translation?
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Yes, that version is much clearer... I wonder which is the correct translation?
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I get the same inference from all the translations. The thing to remember is, sometimes the translation is correct but our reading of the English words has changed over the centuries. The original Greek means to raise up in a variety of senses, but looking at the Greek word does not give you the ability to judge the nuance that someone who has learned Greek will have. So, it's complicated :P
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I get the same inference from all the translations. The thing to remember is, sometimes the translation is correct but our reading of the English words has changed over the centuries. The original Greek means to raise up in a variety of senses, but looking at the Greek word does not give you the ability to judge the nuance that someone who has learned Greek will have. So, it's complicated :P
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, it's complicated :P
Exactly!! 2000 years post, it's difficult to determine precisely what they meant...
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, it's complicated :P
Exactly!! 2000 years post, it's difficult to determine precisely what they meant...
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Well, I still think the meaning I glean ( that the reason they say we should pray for the sick, is that they will expect to recover ) is the most obvious one. Also, it's worth remembering that back then, prayer was close to the only thing going. Nothing else doctors did was likely to me more effectual, no matter what your opinion of prayer was. So, it was a lot more powerful a promise when there were no other options.
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What it makes me wonder is that the religious positions are based on strongly held beliefs. If I'm an atheist, and have a strongly held belief against this sort of thing... Should I not be entitled to some equal protection of my belief and be exempt? If I had a bunch of money to burn and a handful of lawyers this might be a fun one to test. :rolleyes:
thrakazog wrote:
If I had a bunch of money to burn and a handful of lawyers this might be a fun one to test.
I think you will find that the IRS has encountered, and rejected, every scam along these lines. Wasn't this one of the failed tax evasion schemes that caused Joseph Stack[^] to carry out his attack on the IRS?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Not wanting to embarass you, but I believe in faith healing.
Christian Graus wrote:
You mean people who think it's a lack of faith to accept medical care ? Those people die out soon enough.
Why, theologically, would anyone who believes in faith healing need medical care? Why would God be so taciturn as to cure one thing and yet not cure another? I'll answer rhetorically and say faith healing doesn't exist and never has. I personally think that this whole idea about Christ (and Peter and Paul later) wandering around and laying hands on people to cure them of their ills is a complete misnomer, and I would go further and say it is dangerous misinformation. The idea that Christ was some wandering magi or healer belittles His purpose on Earth: that He died and was resurrected so that we should all be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I can't remember any passage in the Bible that says that Jesus will heal your bad back, prompt a limb to re-grow or cause your cold to disappear through faith. I do remember an awful lot of stuff about if we follow His way we are pretty much all certain to be persecuted. It may well be that Christ - as the literal embodiment of God - did perform these miracles, but the Bible doesn't teach that faith will heal in this world only that by following Christ we will be saved for the next. I've done a lot of research on the early church lately, specifically faith before and after the First Council of Nicea. It is my strong belief that a lot of what we know about Christ's miracles - raising Lazarus from the dead, feeding the five thousand, walking on water, turning water into wine, healing the woman who had bled for 12 years etc. - are fabrications designed to impart a false sense of what Christianity has to offer. I might be wrong, and it might turn out that Christ really did perform those miracles - but to me it doesn't matter. The very purpose of Christ was not to perform miracles but to die for our sins and guarantee our place by His side and not to provide health care to the masses.
martin_hughes wrote:
It is my strong belief that a lot of what we know about Christ's miracles - raising Lazarus from the dead, feeding the five thousand, walking on water, turning water into wine, healing the woman who had bled for 12 years etc. - are fabrications
martin_hughes wrote:
He died and was resurrected so that we should all be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Talk about straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.
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thrakazog wrote:
If I had a bunch of money to burn and a handful of lawyers this might be a fun one to test.
I think you will find that the IRS has encountered, and rejected, every scam along these lines. Wasn't this one of the failed tax evasion schemes that caused Joseph Stack[^] to carry out his attack on the IRS?
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Bob Emmett wrote:
I think you will find that the IRS has encountered, and rejected, every scam along these lines.
That might be. My understanding was that most people who shoot for a religious exemption are trying to get out of taxes all together. Or, trying to claim that their garage is a chapel. I accept that I'd still be stuck with income taxes. My specific thought was about the health care bill and social security. Both allow for religion based exemptions. I figure belief system should qualify for that on a level playing field with anyone else. That's where the lawyers would come in. I'd want to fight for the right not to pay before I tried not paying. I'm to pretty to go to jail :laugh:
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Why is it that you believe, verbatim, anything you're disposed to agree with, and reject, outright, common sense and logic ? I see rebates and taxes designed to push people in to insurance. I also see taxes on high income individuals. I am not saying I agree with the plan, but I am not seeing anything that 'adversely effects every individual'.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Why is it that you believe, verbatim, anything you're disposed to agree with, and reject, outright, common sense and logic ?
Who needs common sense and logic in the age of the Internet?
Steve