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According to the CDC, the number of accidental shooting deaths in 2006, the last year they have numbers, was 642. They do not seem to keep track of how many of those were the result of a registered firearm being used. You're making a different distinction, 'killed by someone with a permit'. This would exclude, for example, if a man has a permit and his son plays with the gun. However, if that happens, it's a death caused by the policy of letting people own firearms, so I think it's still meaningful. Please explain how you can only find one death in the space of years, when the CDC can find 5,150 from 2000 to 2006 ( I'm making some assumptions on your use of the word 'years', their data goes before 2000 ), and doesn't seem to track which guns were registered. What's your source of data ? Knock yourself out[^]
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Christian Graus wrote:
They do not seem to keep track of how many of those were the result of a registered firearm being used.
The data for that probably just doesn't exist. Most states do not require firearms to be registered. If I buy one from a dealer they will run a background check and have me take a little true/false test. Most the questions are along the lines of "Are you crazy?", "Are you stalking someone?", "Are you on drugs?" etc. If I buy the gun from a private party, none of this happens. Permitting issues really only apply if I want to carry a gun concealed in my pocket, etc. Most every place you can carry a gun concealed with a permit you can carry the gun openly without one. Open carry just tends to raise a lot more eyebrows.
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In a free market system, it is still illegal to violate other people's property and to commit fraud.
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<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">CaptainSeeSharp wrote:</div>In a free market system, it is still illegal to violate other people's property and to commit fraud.</blockquote> so what island is this illegal to advertise in a persons home? if it exists can you let me know so i dont go on hold too? or did you change the subject again?
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Distind wrote:
Actually that's exactly free market capitalism
No it isn't, because they are paying off and infiltrating government regulatory agencies. This is what happens when you give power over the markets to the government.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No it isn't, because they are paying off and infiltrating government regulatory agencies. This is what happens when you give power over the markets to the government.
Government regulatory agencies = Government having power over the markets Companies infiltrating these agencies = Markets having power over the government So let's see... Regulation is against the free market, right? But without regulation, there's no way to prevent fraud, which you're also against... Make up your mind. Your opinions are self-contradictory.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No it isn't, because they are paying off and infiltrating government regulatory agencies. This is what happens when you give power over the markets to the government.
Government regulatory agencies = Government having power over the markets Companies infiltrating these agencies = Markets having power over the government So let's see... Regulation is against the free market, right? But without regulation, there's no way to prevent fraud, which you're also against... Make up your mind. Your opinions are self-contradictory.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
But without regulation, there's no way to prevent fraud
No, it is illegal to commit fraud in a free market system, just as it is to steal or kill people. Get it? Got it? Good. Fucking dumbass shit. You are either really stupid, intentionally ignorant, and or a jackass.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
But without regulation, there's no way to prevent fraud
No, it is illegal to commit fraud in a free market system, just as it is to steal or kill people. Get it? Got it? Good. Fucking dumbass shit. You are either really stupid, intentionally ignorant, and or a jackass.
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Making it illegal doesn't mean anything, if you don't enforce it. Enforcing it requires some form of regulation, to detect the wrongdoing and react to it. And once again, you're resorting to insults when you find your position untenable.
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Making it illegal doesn't mean anything, if you don't enforce it. Enforcing it requires some form of regulation, to detect the wrongdoing and react to it. And once again, you're resorting to insults when you find your position untenable.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Enforcing it requires some form of regulation, to detect the wrongdoing and react to it.
No it needs a police force and court system. You really are stupid, you don't know anything about how any type of government operates in theory, and you don't know anything about how it operates now.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
But you will ruin my childhood memories of that movie if it becomes associated with pillowpants...
Nah, he's the first one with with his hands in the air, playing no actual role in the outcome, just like here!
Oh, okay, sounds good. Funny thing is that that movie showed a bunch of kids grabbing hunting weapons and making due, they only start using military hardware when they loot it off of enemy soldiers.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Enforcing it requires some form of regulation, to detect the wrongdoing and react to it.
No it needs a police force and court system. You really are stupid, you don't know anything about how any type of government operates in theory, and you don't know anything about how it operates now.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No it needs a police force
Exactly! And where do the police come from? Government! Aha! It's the government controlling the markets!
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No it needs a police force
Exactly! And where do the police come from? Government! Aha! It's the government controlling the markets!
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)No they would be enforcing the law, not manipulating the markets and downing them in bureaucracy.
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No they would be enforcing the law, not manipulating the markets and downing them in bureaucracy.
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The law is REGULATION. Why you are incapable of seeing something so basic is beyond comprehension. Bureaucracy is the result of the need to document people following the rules. Feel free to resort to insults when your programming hits
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No they would be enforcing the law, not manipulating the markets and downing them in bureaucracy.
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Enforcing laws = Making sure people follow the rules = Watching them to be sure they're following the rules = Regulation If you can't get that through your skull, then this entire conversation is pointless, and you should go get therapy QUICKLY.
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Christian Graus wrote:
They do not seem to keep track of how many of those were the result of a registered firearm being used.
The data for that probably just doesn't exist. Most states do not require firearms to be registered. If I buy one from a dealer they will run a background check and have me take a little true/false test. Most the questions are along the lines of "Are you crazy?", "Are you stalking someone?", "Are you on drugs?" etc. If I buy the gun from a private party, none of this happens. Permitting issues really only apply if I want to carry a gun concealed in my pocket, etc. Most every place you can carry a gun concealed with a permit you can carry the gun openly without one. Open carry just tends to raise a lot more eyebrows.
thrakazog wrote:
The data for that probably just doesn't exist. Most states do not require firearms to be registered.
OK, then I await advice on how Richard's comment makes any sense, I guess....
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The law is REGULATION. Why you are incapable of seeing something so basic is beyond comprehension. Bureaucracy is the result of the need to document people following the rules. Feel free to resort to insults when your programming hits
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
The law is REGULATION.
No the law is not regulation. The law makes it illegal to steal, the law makes it illegal to defraud. The law could be written as one sentence. Regulatory codes takes volumes upon volumes of text for just a single entity, such as a car tire size, crash testing, mileage, and emissions. The bureaucracy requires even more resources and all of this only causes the economy to crumble.
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Enforcing laws = Making sure people follow the rules = Watching them to be sure they're following the rules = Regulation If you can't get that through your skull, then this entire conversation is pointless, and you should go get therapy QUICKLY.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)You started trying to sell me more nonsense regulation, but you have squirmed down to a level where basic property rights, personal liberty, free markets, and so on is the regulation.
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You started trying to sell me more nonsense regulation, but you have squirmed down to a level where basic property rights, personal liberty, free markets, and so on is the regulation.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You started trying to sell me more nonsense regulation
Excuse me? Where did I say that? Link? I've been trying to explain to you that any form of fraud prevention, which you merely term "enforcement," IS regulation. I think you understand that now. Now if you're assuming that by "regulation," I meant price fixing, inflation control, etc... Well that's you reading into it.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You started trying to sell me more nonsense regulation
Excuse me? Where did I say that? Link? I've been trying to explain to you that any form of fraud prevention, which you merely term "enforcement," IS regulation. I think you understand that now. Now if you're assuming that by "regulation," I meant price fixing, inflation control, etc... Well that's you reading into it.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)You are trying to redefine words. A law is a law, a regulation is a regulation. There is a difference between the two. I know your puny little ass has a hard time understanding. You effeminate NYC turd life growing up domesticated and enclosed in a compact highly survailed with terror police with sub-machine guns in the subways. You don't have a car, and you spend your free time in a lonely apartment writing fairtales of Xen and shit. :doh:
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thrakazog wrote:
The data for that probably just doesn't exist. Most states do not require firearms to be registered.
OK, then I await advice on how Richard's comment makes any sense, I guess....
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You are trying to redefine words. A law is a law, a regulation is a regulation. There is a difference between the two. I know your puny little ass has a hard time understanding. You effeminate NYC turd life growing up domesticated and enclosed in a compact highly survailed with terror police with sub-machine guns in the subways. You don't have a car, and you spend your free time in a lonely apartment writing fairtales of Xen and shit. :doh:
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Actually, I grew up in the suburbs, with a car, a yard... Hell, even a swingset, when I was little... I moved to the city by choice, because this is where the best jobs are. You keep talking about freedom, but anyone someone exercises that freedom by choosing something you disagree with, you insult them. But hey... That's freedom, right? You're entirely free to be a complete bigot. You and Gordon Brown should have a little chat. But MEANWHILE...
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are trying to redefine words. A law is a law, a regulation is a regulation. There is a difference between the two.
Regulation[^]: 1. a law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, esp. to regulate conduct. (Dictionary.com) Law[^]: 1. the principles and regulations established in a community by some authority and applicable to its people, whether in the form of legislation or of custom and policies recognized and enforced by judicial decision. (Dictionary.com) (Emphasis added) Man, I knew this would make my point, but I didn't expect them to actually use them to define each other... In the first definition of each, no less... Care to rethink your argument?
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Actually, I grew up in the suburbs, with a car, a yard... Hell, even a swingset, when I was little... I moved to the city by choice, because this is where the best jobs are. You keep talking about freedom, but anyone someone exercises that freedom by choosing something you disagree with, you insult them. But hey... That's freedom, right? You're entirely free to be a complete bigot. You and Gordon Brown should have a little chat. But MEANWHILE...
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are trying to redefine words. A law is a law, a regulation is a regulation. There is a difference between the two.
Regulation[^]: 1. a law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, esp. to regulate conduct. (Dictionary.com) Law[^]: 1. the principles and regulations established in a community by some authority and applicable to its people, whether in the form of legislation or of custom and policies recognized and enforced by judicial decision. (Dictionary.com) (Emphasis added) Man, I knew this would make my point, but I didn't expect them to actually use them to define each other... In the first definition of each, no less... Care to rethink your argument?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)You don't have the right to support a corrupt government that takes people's rights and property.
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