concealed weapons
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Hey, I'm not on CSS's side.
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If a bunch of people who are carrying concealed weapons to "defend themselves" have an argument a fist fight often escalates into something much worse. This happens all the time.
Look up statistics on the use of legally concealed weapons for crimes, all crimes, not just fight escalating to fire fight. It does not happen "all the time". It almost never happens. Except in the Hollywood version of reality. You like a lot of action movies, Steve?
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
increases the chances of one getting into the wrong hands.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The wrong hands already have them. It's getting them into the right hands that counts.
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RichardM1 wrote:
It does not happen "all the time". It almost never happens
Never happens. Surely having guns floating around when someone goes postal[^] is not a good thing. Only in action movies you you reckon? I find myself wondering what movies you watch.
Steve
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Christian Graus wrote:
So you're against free markets and capitalism ?
No but people false advertising is illegal, and so is paying off medical experts and government officials to allow you to sell a food product that is deadly. That is not free market capitalism, it is mafia gangsterism.
Christian Graus wrote:
People choose to be influenced that way.
The new culture is created by social engineers and pushed by schools and the major media which is bought and paid for by the same people who buy politicians.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No but people false advertising is illegal, and so is paying off medical experts and government officials to allow you to sell a food product that is deadly. That is not free market capitalism, it is mafia gangsterism.
Advertising Standard Authority they are the governing body for adverts here and have been known too pull adverts or help in the process of fining people. please research before post such nonsense.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The new culture is created by social engineers and pushed by schools and the major media which is bought and paid for by the same people who buy politicians.
so on that statement we are all corrupt? if 99% of companies are as corrupt as you state please let me know how / where please and give proof!!
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He specifically said Chinese. I'm not sure how he would have come up with them. Must have been too many games of Command and Conquer Generals.
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RichardM1 wrote:
Look up statistics on the use of legally concealed weapons for crimes
But if you flood society with 'legal' guns, you make it easier for criminals to get them.
RichardM1 wrote:
The wrong hands already have them. It's getting them into the right hands that counts.
Do you have any statistics on the mythically common occurence of US gun owners shooting to defend their life or property ? If it does keep your crime rates lower, why are they so high still ? 'The wrong hands have them' is a furphy, as if flooding society makes no difference, because criminals can just pray to the gun fairy and get guns that way.
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Christian Graus wrote:
because criminals can just pray to the gun fairy and get guns that way.
I put a tooth under my pillow.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No but people false advertising is illegal, and so is paying off medical experts and government officials to allow you to sell a food product that is deadly. That is not free market capitalism, it is mafia gangsterism.
Actually that's exactly free market capitalism, anything limiting such things requires government intervention. If you don't believe me, look up the interesting history of patent medicine.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The new culture is created by social engineers and pushed by schools and the major media which is bought and paid for by the same people who buy politicians
Really, it looks like a bunch of crap aimed at the lowest common denominator to make the most money possible, as one would expect of the free market.
somehow he forgot that in a completely free market, there is no limitation to trade, not even for false advertising. "Let the buyer beware."
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He specifically said Chinese. I'm not sure how he would have come up with them. Must have been too many games of Command and Conquer Generals.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
He specifically said Chinese
I know, I know....it was the inane concept I was aiming for. ;)
But you will ruin my childhood memories of that movie if it becomes associated with pillowpants...
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But you will ruin my childhood memories of that movie if it becomes associated with pillowpants...
pillowpants :laugh:
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No but people false advertising is illegal, and so is paying off medical experts and government officials to allow you to sell a food product that is deadly. That is not free market capitalism, it is mafia gangsterism.
Actually that's exactly free market capitalism, anything limiting such things requires government intervention. If you don't believe me, look up the interesting history of patent medicine.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The new culture is created by social engineers and pushed by schools and the major media which is bought and paid for by the same people who buy politicians
Really, it looks like a bunch of crap aimed at the lowest common denominator to make the most money possible, as one would expect of the free market.
Distind wrote:
Actually that's exactly free market capitalism
No it isn't, because they are paying off and infiltrating government regulatory agencies. This is what happens when you give power over the markets to the government.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No but people false advertising is illegal, and so is paying off medical experts and government officials to allow you to sell a food product that is deadly. That is not free market capitalism, it is mafia gangsterism.
Advertising Standard Authority they are the governing body for adverts here and have been known too pull adverts or help in the process of fining people. please research before post such nonsense.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The new culture is created by social engineers and pushed by schools and the major media which is bought and paid for by the same people who buy politicians.
so on that statement we are all corrupt? if 99% of companies are as corrupt as you state please let me know how / where please and give proof!!
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In a free market system, it is still illegal to violate other people's property and to commit fraud.
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pillowpants :laugh:
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Ian came up with that, all credit due is his.
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Ian came up with that, all credit due is his.
Thank you, thank you... I'm here all week... Don't forget to tip your waiter...
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According to the CDC, the number of accidental shooting deaths in 2006, the last year they have numbers, was 642. They do not seem to keep track of how many of those were the result of a registered firearm being used. You're making a different distinction, 'killed by someone with a permit'. This would exclude, for example, if a man has a permit and his son plays with the gun. However, if that happens, it's a death caused by the policy of letting people own firearms, so I think it's still meaningful. Please explain how you can only find one death in the space of years, when the CDC can find 5,150 from 2000 to 2006 ( I'm making some assumptions on your use of the word 'years', their data goes before 2000 ), and doesn't seem to track which guns were registered. What's your source of data ? Knock yourself out[^]
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Christian Graus wrote:
They do not seem to keep track of how many of those were the result of a registered firearm being used.
The data for that probably just doesn't exist. Most states do not require firearms to be registered. If I buy one from a dealer they will run a background check and have me take a little true/false test. Most the questions are along the lines of "Are you crazy?", "Are you stalking someone?", "Are you on drugs?" etc. If I buy the gun from a private party, none of this happens. Permitting issues really only apply if I want to carry a gun concealed in my pocket, etc. Most every place you can carry a gun concealed with a permit you can carry the gun openly without one. Open carry just tends to raise a lot more eyebrows.
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In a free market system, it is still illegal to violate other people's property and to commit fraud.
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<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">CaptainSeeSharp wrote:</div>In a free market system, it is still illegal to violate other people's property and to commit fraud.</blockquote> so what island is this illegal to advertise in a persons home? if it exists can you let me know so i dont go on hold too? or did you change the subject again?
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Distind wrote:
Actually that's exactly free market capitalism
No it isn't, because they are paying off and infiltrating government regulatory agencies. This is what happens when you give power over the markets to the government.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No it isn't, because they are paying off and infiltrating government regulatory agencies. This is what happens when you give power over the markets to the government.
Government regulatory agencies = Government having power over the markets Companies infiltrating these agencies = Markets having power over the government So let's see... Regulation is against the free market, right? But without regulation, there's no way to prevent fraud, which you're also against... Make up your mind. Your opinions are self-contradictory.
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But you will ruin my childhood memories of that movie if it becomes associated with pillowpants...
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No it isn't, because they are paying off and infiltrating government regulatory agencies. This is what happens when you give power over the markets to the government.
Government regulatory agencies = Government having power over the markets Companies infiltrating these agencies = Markets having power over the government So let's see... Regulation is against the free market, right? But without regulation, there's no way to prevent fraud, which you're also against... Make up your mind. Your opinions are self-contradictory.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
But without regulation, there's no way to prevent fraud
No, it is illegal to commit fraud in a free market system, just as it is to steal or kill people. Get it? Got it? Good. Fucking dumbass shit. You are either really stupid, intentionally ignorant, and or a jackass.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
But without regulation, there's no way to prevent fraud
No, it is illegal to commit fraud in a free market system, just as it is to steal or kill people. Get it? Got it? Good. Fucking dumbass shit. You are either really stupid, intentionally ignorant, and or a jackass.
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Making it illegal doesn't mean anything, if you don't enforce it. Enforcing it requires some form of regulation, to detect the wrongdoing and react to it. And once again, you're resorting to insults when you find your position untenable.
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Making it illegal doesn't mean anything, if you don't enforce it. Enforcing it requires some form of regulation, to detect the wrongdoing and react to it. And once again, you're resorting to insults when you find your position untenable.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Enforcing it requires some form of regulation, to detect the wrongdoing and react to it.
No it needs a police force and court system. You really are stupid, you don't know anything about how any type of government operates in theory, and you don't know anything about how it operates now.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
But you will ruin my childhood memories of that movie if it becomes associated with pillowpants...
Nah, he's the first one with with his hands in the air, playing no actual role in the outcome, just like here!
Oh, okay, sounds good. Funny thing is that that movie showed a bunch of kids grabbing hunting weapons and making due, they only start using military hardware when they loot it off of enemy soldiers.
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