TSA worker assaults colleague; Made crack at genitalia after walk through nude scanner

[CaptainSeeSharp]

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/TSA-Fracas-After-Body-Scanner-Reveals-TMI-92971929.html[^] Perhaps the new airport body scanners are a bit too revealing. A TSA worker in Miami was arrested for assault after police say he attacked a colleague who'd made fun of his small genitalia after he walked through one of the new high-tech security scanners during a recent training session. You people who support forcing everyone who wants to fly to go through these scanners. They are being put in courthouses and they have developed mobile units to screen people before they go into a shopping mall or sports center. Enjoy your strip searches, people who run these machines just like to dominate people, they like their petty power and they will grab your breasts and feel your crotch if they like the way you look. When wand beeps, they have to touch the area with the wand.

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[Yayozama]

Déjà vu

[Distind]

And we pin down exactly why CSS is so concerned.

[Ian Shlasko]

Here we go again... He stepped through while they were TESTING the machines... When they're actually being used on the public: 1) The person seeing the image does NOT see the actual person, nor do they know that person's identity. They're in a separate room, and the only communication they have is pushing buttons that say something like "OK" or "Not OK". 2) If you don't like the scanners, you can opt for a pat-down instead. And if you ever actually left your trailer and went to an airport, you'd know that if you do get patted down, it's by someone of your own gender, to avoid exactly the issue you just specified. 3) If they do start putting these in malls and sports centers (Which are privately-owned businesses, not government-operated ones), then I guess we'll see what percentage of the population actually cares enough not to frequent those establishments. If people avoid them, that turns into lost profits, which will lead to the machines being removed. That's the free market at work... Or are you against the free market today? I can never keep track. Honestly, airport security may be a complete joke, but some of the objections to the body scanners are just ridiculous.

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[Yayozama]

:laugh:

[RichardM1]

Ian Shlasko wrote:

2. If you don't like the scanners, you can opt for a pat-down instead. And if you ever actually left your trailer and went to an airport, you'd know that if you do get patted down, it's by someone of your own gender, to avoid exactly the issue you just specified.

In related news, Obama has created the 1st homo-centric jobs program, assigning all pat-down jobs in TSA to be hired by this program. (I guess I should have put this as an answer to CSS, but it hit me here)

Opacity, the new Transparency.

[Ian Shlasko]

Oh well... If I ever do arouse enough suspicion to be subjected to a pat-down (Hasn't happened yet, and I travel by air at least a couple times a year), I'll just have to hope that the guy isn't gay, huh? Either that, or I could just step through the body scanners, when they install them in my airport, as I really don't care if some complete stranger off in a dark room somewhere gets a brief glimpse of a silhouette of my body.

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[CaptainSeeSharp]

Ian Shlasko wrote:

I really don't care if some complete stranger off in a dark room somewhere gets a brief glimpse of a silhouette of my body.

It isn't a silhouette you moron it is a high resolution black and white image of your body.

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[Ian Shlasko]

http://www.livescience.com/technology/100106-airport-body-scanners-radiation.html[^] That's nice... Look, those are actual images from the scanners... I'm neither impressed nor afraid.

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[CaptainSeeSharp]

Ian Shlasko wrote:

Look, those are actual images from the scanners

Those are scaled down and blurred, the scanners can do a lot better than that. The only possible way those images could be legitimately low resolution and blurry is if Homeland Security made it a requirement to cap resolution and detail of the scanners. I fucking doubt it. When the machines are properly calibrated, you see a highres detailed image of your body.

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[Ian Shlasko]

Wikipedia has higher-resolution[^] versions of those same pictures. Also, from the article, the software automatically blurs facial features, so you can't be identified from the images. I'm still neither impressed or afraid. If you're trying to scare me, you're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than this.

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[CaptainSeeSharp]

Ian Shlasko wrote:

Also, from the article, the software automatically blurs facial features, so you can't be identified from the images.

I'm sure that is real hard to turn off. This is the first step toward a national biometric identity database, along with your fingerprints and retina scan on your national ID card. And it is humiliating and pathetic to submit yourself to pat downs and digital strip searches just to travel or go to court.

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[Ian Shlasko]

CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

I'm sure that is real hard to turn off.

Do you really think the TSA "agents" have the expertise necessary to hack the software to disable it?

CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

This is the first step toward a national biometric identity database, along with your fingerprints and retina scan on your national ID card

Fingerprints and retinas are virtually unique. 3D models of your body, not even including identifying marks like scars, birthmarks, or tattoos, don't seem that useful.

CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

And it is humiliating and pathetic to submit yourself to pat downs and digital strip searches just to travel or go to court

Being patted down is humiliating. Walking through a scanner is meaningless. I prefer the latter.

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[Distind]

CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

I'm sure that is real hard to turn off.

Once it's in the field, it'd probably be quite hard. Most of the crap that is out there is hard enough to keep working right, let alone altering how.

CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

This is the first step toward a national biometric identity database, along with your fingerprints and retina scan on your national ID card.

Something no one has really explained how it's so horrible. If the government wants to set you up, they can do it by going through your trash for about ten minutes. Oh, the horrors of being able to catch people who commit crimes.

CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

And it is humiliating and pathetic to submit yourself to pat downs and digital strip searches just to travel or go to court.

I'll agree to pathetic, but if you're humiliated you've got to get over yourself.

[CaptainSeeSharp]

You enjoy it then. If you want to submit yourself to the TSA and be under a high tech surveillance grid then be my guest. You heard about the real-time "smart" camera surveillance coming to your area soon haven't you? It does real-time behavioral analysis on all people in its view. Those cameras are going to be all over, you will be fully survailed in manhatten.

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[Ian Shlasko]

Wait a second... Are you telling me that if I go out in public, people might be LOOKING AT ME!?!? I had no idea! :omg: :omg: :omg: Was that sarcasm thick enough for you? You can't win the argument, so you're changing the subject to something only slightly related. New York City (The government, not business) is just about bankrupt. Even if the local government wanted to start videotaping everything, they don't have the funding for it.

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[CaptainSeeSharp]

I'm not talking about some hacker, I'm talking about when Homeland Security wants more detailed imagery it will get them, they can do it remotely if they want to. Its all about being tracked, traced, and databased in every way useful to the government. They want to be able to predict human behavior individually, groups, and societally. They want to be able to dial into any ID and know where that person is and what that person has been doing, how much that person weights, what he eats, his medical records, financial records, school records, height, body. They want to be able to watch people and cars. It is like a giant laboratory, once they get control and can watch us live in real time they can tweak society and monitor the results, and keep us in line.

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[RichardM1]

CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

high resolution black and white image

Yes and no. Yes, it is a high resolution gray scale image of your body, it also has some frequency information available in it ('color'). No, it is not like you standing naked in front of a black and white camera. The 'standard' image shown of a naked woman is not the result of t-wave imaging, it is a digital camera image of a naked woman. The variations between a visible light image and a t-wave image are many, including imaging into the person (seeing skin, bone (to some degree)) that is all wrapped up in the image you see, frequency representation. etc. If it makes you feel better, planes fly over you everyday that can take much higher resolution images from much further away, just because people carry cameras with zoom lenses. This does not even begin to discuss intelligence agencies using satellites, UAVs, manned spy planes, blimps, companies with surveillance cameras on buildings, Google spending all kinds of money getting pictures of the whole world, down to street view, people walking around the town with cameras, etc, or even the guy with the red tie who has been following you around town for so many months. All you have to do to not get imaged by this is to not fly. The rest of the stuff, you have no control over.

Opacity, the new Transparency.

[RichardM1]

I'd have responded sooner, but after seeing those images, I needed some time alone.

Opacity, the new Transparency.

[RichardM1]

Ian Shlasko wrote:

Wait a second... Are you telling me that if I go out in public, people might be LOOKING AT ME!?!? I had no idea! OMG OMG OMG

Golf clap.:thumbsup:

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