How effing stupid are we?
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Remember that whole mess where Dubya was holding people in Gitmo without trial... Suspended habeus corpus and all that? Looks like it's the Brits' turn to tackle that issue.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Their were never US citizens, or people picked up on US soil, held in Gitmo. Those were kept in other locations. The ones at Gitmo all fall under the Geneva Convention, either as protected, or unprotected, combatants. They are all being treated at or better than the GC requirements for protected combatants.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Their were never US citizens, or people picked up on US soil, held in Gitmo. Those were kept in other locations. The ones at Gitmo all fall under the Geneva Convention, either as protected, or unprotected, combatants. They are all being treated at or better than the GC requirements for protected combatants.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Ah, ok... So different issue entirely.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Asked and answered: 'Al-Qaeda ringleader' wins appeal against deportation.[^] Leaves me speechless with anger and disbelief.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
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I think you have to get to a point where if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck it probably is a duck. And I'd still rather err on the side of caution and a) deport or b) lock up and throw away the key (if he was bore here). However, even those that are born here would rather turn this into 14th century Englandistan so I don't think sending them to where they'd really rather be is that much of a hardship and I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it. If you want to go all liberal and soft why not volunteer for him to stay at your place?
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
digital man wrote:
I think you have to get to a point where if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck it probably is a duck.
As a large violent scary stoner duck I have to say this is only going to cause more problems. Mind you, I don't quack, I generally don't duck walk or goose step even, but most people expect me to crack someone's head open rather than crack open difficult problems. Oh, and since I have long hair I'm both a stoner and in a band. That last bit has become common enough that I'm considering just making up a band name and running with it.
digital man wrote:
If you want to go all liberal and soft why not volunteer for him to stay at your place?
Sure, send him over here. I can show him far worse things than anything he'd attack you guys for, and I can show him that it's all of the assholes who do it, not just the ones he was targeting before. I'd be curious just what his reaction would be. Some people sober up, others loose their shit completely. Always interesting to watch.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
The judge (Presumably unbiased) agreed.
The judiciary in the UK guard their independence and impartiality with some ferocity. Yes, they make mistakes but they're generally fair and even handed and will apply the law in as impartial a manner as they can. If the judge agreed with the security services it is because he read the evidence that was presented, not because he was acting for the government.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
digital man wrote:
The judiciary in the UK guard their independence and impartiality with some ferocity. Yes, they make mistakes but they're generally fair and even handed and will apply the law in as impartial a manner as they can. If the judge agreed with the security services it is because he read the evidence that was presented, not because he was acting for the government.
This would probably be the biggest difference between the UK and the US on this issue, I can dig up piles of judges using similar clauses to make political maneuvers in the US. Hell, they've brought states to each other's throats over bridges of all things. If you think you can trust yours without knowing the evidence they decided with, I could see how you would be happy to kick them out. Mine I don't trust any farther than I can toss them unless I can see the evidence for myself. Too many have pulled to much bullshit to give them free reign in deciding people's fate.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Terrorism no doubt is a reason to apply such a derogation. However, in the UK Act, AFAIK, it refers to anti-terrorism measures but as this act was written in the times when Northern Ireland was an issue. Perhaps other Statutory Instruments exist which amend that clause of said act to encompass further examples of terrorism.
I guess that would depend upon how one defines terrorism in respect of the act. Was it tightly bound to a specific need (as in NI) or can it be more widely interpreted to encompass any anti-terror measures as deemed fit by the government of the day? Interesting.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
That which I referenced was this part of the UK Human Rights Act. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980042_en_5[^] Since then, other prevention of terrorism statutes have been made. Now how these amend, or not, said Human Rights Act is not known by me, however, I shall further my enquiries ...
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I think you have to get to a point where if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck it probably is a duck. And I'd still rather err on the side of caution and a) deport or b) lock up and throw away the key (if he was bore here). However, even those that are born here would rather turn this into 14th century Englandistan so I don't think sending them to where they'd really rather be is that much of a hardship and I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it. If you want to go all liberal and soft why not volunteer for him to stay at your place?
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven