Since I am more than suprised to see that CSS hasn't posted it yet...
-
You do know that in Ohio Seth Morgan and Sandra O’Brien lost. They were supposed to be tea party candidates too. So does "our" voice apply to that too? Seth Morgan[^] Sandra O’Brien[^] Don't make a mountain out of an ant hill. Like usual politics, it won't last.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Never heard of them. Probably because they're in Ohio. And one was for auditor, one for secretary of state. Have you heard of BJ Lawson? Peter Schiff? RJ Harris? Adam Kokesh? Neverminding these people, have you heard that NJ, MA and VA just elected people that are Republicans, and they are Democratic leaning states? Firstly, I'm talking about Federal politics, while you're talking about politics within a Democratic leaning state, FOR that state. Secondly, I don't think you've done your homework to really talk about Federal politics if you're talking about only Ohio. You're right. It's not right to count my chickens yet. However, there's every reason to be hopeful. Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
-
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Mini-Ron wins... I'd be a little more supportive if this wasn't another Dubya-style case of "Daddy's gonna make me a Senator, just like him!" You just know he's using all of his dad's connections to get the nomination.
I don't know, you could say the same for Hilary Clinton as well, now being secretary of state... But I do agree with you on the point. I am afraid that we are becoming totally oligarchical, where politicians only come out of certain families and not just from the people, the grassroots if you will. Countering our own opinion, however, is the idea that this really was a total grassroots movement in the first place. Ron Paul got recognition when he started his own presidential campaign under the republican banner, and then was thrown out of the race by his own party during the primaries. People stuck with him, however, and got a major following. Now it's the same thing with Rand... he just stuck with the race and won, with the large crowd of tea party / conservative / libertarian, and yes LIBERAL types. So about this one minor issue, it doesn't matter what you or I think, it's more about the content of his character, and what he intends to do in the Senate.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Seriously though, I think a couple more Libs in Congress would be a good thing. I don't agree with the viewpoints, so wouldn't support them getting much in the way of voting power, but just them being there will keep the cookie-cutter DNC and GOP on their toes.
Actually, I think you do agree with much of what we have to say. You're for "civil liberties". The right to speak freely, the right to gather and assemble, the right to a fair trial, the right to freely travel, and others. You're also anti-war, anti-enslavement, and are not for racism, sexism, and other things of this nature. I think you and I agree on a lot of things like this, you're just not for "economic liberties", which is what I would also be for. But you are also for a police/surveillance state, which is really fuckin scary to me. As to the original part of your post, yes, CSS can be a little over the top, even for me. But honestly I know his mind is on the right track.
josda1000 wrote:
I think you and I agree on a lot of things like this, you're just not for "economic liberties", which is what I would also be for.
True, for the most part... I don't think the libertarian view of the economy is realistic, particularly in regards to currency... But we've been through that :)
josda1000 wrote:
But you are also for a police/surveillance state, which is really fuckin scary to me
I am? Hope I haven't given that impression. I view it as a gray area, actually. An Orwellian-style "Big Brother" regime is on one end, and complete anarchy and lack of authority is on the other. I would probably tolerate a little more police surveillance than you would, but I have my limits, just like most others. At some point, excess surveillance begins to interfere with personal freedoms, I'll agree. I just think that point is a little higher than you do. Granted, there are parts of this country that are getting a little silly... I'm seeing news articles all the time about police and politicians abusing power... The trouble is that everywhere else I've read about, it's the same or worse. I don't think a radical shift is the way to fix things, but a push in the right direction could help.
josda1000 wrote:
As to the original part of your post, yes, CSS can be a little over the top, even for me. But honestly I know his mind is on the right track.
You're giving him too much credit. If Alex Jones was suddenly brainwashed by Scientologists and started posting article after article on Infowars about how we're all infested with the corrupted souls of little green men, CSS would be on this forum regurgitating that crap just as fervently as he spits out the conspiracy crap. You preach (portions of) the Libertarian/Constitutionalist agenda because you believe it (Not saying that's a bad thing). He preaches it because he's been brainwashed.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, it's good to be master of your destiny, I can tell you that. You should try it sometime.
What do you think people should be doing to further their development careers? What are you doing? How do you approach this?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
CSS doesn't even have a job. He should either dedicate himself to creating a viable product, or to getting the qualifications or general lifeskills to talk himself into a dev job. Me, personally ? I am trying to learn whatever is new ( although I am a bit behind, only now getting a chance to learn silverlight, for example ), and generally keep my skills up to date. But, I'm in a pretty secure place right now, so I do that for my current employer more than out of fear of losing my job.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
-
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Mini-Ron wins... I'd be a little more supportive if this wasn't another Dubya-style case of "Daddy's gonna make me a Senator, just like him!" You just know he's using all of his dad's connections to get the nomination.
I don't know, you could say the same for Hilary Clinton as well, now being secretary of state... But I do agree with you on the point. I am afraid that we are becoming totally oligarchical, where politicians only come out of certain families and not just from the people, the grassroots if you will. Countering our own opinion, however, is the idea that this really was a total grassroots movement in the first place. Ron Paul got recognition when he started his own presidential campaign under the republican banner, and then was thrown out of the race by his own party during the primaries. People stuck with him, however, and got a major following. Now it's the same thing with Rand... he just stuck with the race and won, with the large crowd of tea party / conservative / libertarian, and yes LIBERAL types. So about this one minor issue, it doesn't matter what you or I think, it's more about the content of his character, and what he intends to do in the Senate.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Seriously though, I think a couple more Libs in Congress would be a good thing. I don't agree with the viewpoints, so wouldn't support them getting much in the way of voting power, but just them being there will keep the cookie-cutter DNC and GOP on their toes.
Actually, I think you do agree with much of what we have to say. You're for "civil liberties". The right to speak freely, the right to gather and assemble, the right to a fair trial, the right to freely travel, and others. You're also anti-war, anti-enslavement, and are not for racism, sexism, and other things of this nature. I think you and I agree on a lot of things like this, you're just not for "economic liberties", which is what I would also be for. But you are also for a police/surveillance state, which is really fuckin scary to me. As to the original part of your post, yes, CSS can be a little over the top, even for me. But honestly I know his mind is on the right track.
josda1000 wrote:
. But honestly I know his mind is on the right track.
If he is pointing to the right destination, he's a long way from it, and basically incapable of explaining his chosen path.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
-
Never heard of them. Probably because they're in Ohio. And one was for auditor, one for secretary of state. Have you heard of BJ Lawson? Peter Schiff? RJ Harris? Adam Kokesh? Neverminding these people, have you heard that NJ, MA and VA just elected people that are Republicans, and they are Democratic leaning states? Firstly, I'm talking about Federal politics, while you're talking about politics within a Democratic leaning state, FOR that state. Secondly, I don't think you've done your homework to really talk about Federal politics if you're talking about only Ohio. You're right. It's not right to count my chickens yet. However, there's every reason to be hopeful. Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
josda1000 wrote:
Neverminding these people, have you heard that NJ, MA and VA just elected people that are Republicans, and they are Democratic leaning states?
The problem with electing republicans is that in 90%+ of cases, they don't actually give a rat's ass about fixing things, the people they represent, or the country. They vote with the morons in charge of their party and their biggest goal is to stop whatever the Dems are doing. McCain saying he'd basically stop doing his job was pretty big proof on that. Limited gov't is NOT the Republican motto. "Fuck them, where's the paycheck from the lobbyists?" is.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
-
josda1000 wrote:
Neverminding these people, have you heard that NJ, MA and VA just elected people that are Republicans, and they are Democratic leaning states?
The problem with electing republicans is that in 90%+ of cases, they don't actually give a rat's ass about fixing things, the people they represent, or the country. They vote with the morons in charge of their party and their biggest goal is to stop whatever the Dems are doing. McCain saying he'd basically stop doing his job was pretty big proof on that. Limited gov't is NOT the Republican motto. "Fuck them, where's the paycheck from the lobbyists?" is.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
Here, let me fix that post for ya... *grabs the black marker*...
The problem with electing republicans politicians is that in 90%+ of cases, they don't actually give a rat's ass about fixing things, the people they represent, or the country. They vote with the morons in charge of their party and their biggest goal is to stop whatever the Dems are other parties are doing. McCain saying he'd basically stop doing his job was pretty big proof on that.
Politicians just want to keep their jobs... Regardless of party lines, there are very few who actually change anything. Those that can, never try. Those that try, don't know how.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Never heard of them. Probably because they're in Ohio. And one was for auditor, one for secretary of state. Have you heard of BJ Lawson? Peter Schiff? RJ Harris? Adam Kokesh? Neverminding these people, have you heard that NJ, MA and VA just elected people that are Republicans, and they are Democratic leaning states? Firstly, I'm talking about Federal politics, while you're talking about politics within a Democratic leaning state, FOR that state. Secondly, I don't think you've done your homework to really talk about Federal politics if you're talking about only Ohio. You're right. It's not right to count my chickens yet. However, there's every reason to be hopeful. Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
josda1000 wrote:
Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
You missed the point completely. Even if they were all elected past these primaries they don't get to override all the other votes in the house and senate. Just because they won the primary doesn't mean they can get voted in. You make it sound like a battle between good and evil. It's not. Its just people. There's no need to be so religious about it. These people are riding the coat strings of the party that's only difference with the Democrats is that they're crazy. Believing things like Obama isn't a US citizen, that he's a Muslim, that he's a socialist, etc. Blaming governmental organizations like the EPA or the Federal Reserve for the problems caused by corporate decisions is fraud. It's just a distraction from current economic and philosophical short comings. Most politics is a lot like professional wrestling, fake.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
-
josda1000 wrote:
Neverminding these people, have you heard that NJ, MA and VA just elected people that are Republicans, and they are Democratic leaning states?
The problem with electing republicans is that in 90%+ of cases, they don't actually give a rat's ass about fixing things, the people they represent, or the country. They vote with the morons in charge of their party and their biggest goal is to stop whatever the Dems are doing. McCain saying he'd basically stop doing his job was pretty big proof on that. Limited gov't is NOT the Republican motto. "Fuck them, where's the paycheck from the lobbyists?" is.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
I agree with all of that, definitely 100%. I saw that when Scott Brown was elected, as if I didn't see it coming, he voted for the health INSURANCE bill. (It's not about health care, but the health of the insurance companies.) He's not a tea party person at all. But when you come and take a look at these tea party candidates, they are about small government. I mean, really. So this is why I have faith in this "grassroots" stuff, and not the Republican platform, as it were. Yes, the tea party is using that banner, but only because third parties are literally shut out of debates altogether. Since we know that the Democratic party is about big government and socialism, there's no way a tea party candidate can win there. So the next best thing is to use the Republican party. McCain said he wouldn't vote for the bailout, TARP, or any other crazy mess, but he does. Because in his heart, he's an evil guy that just wants "the paycheck from the lobbyist", as you say, just like most poiticians in any country anywhere.
-
josda1000 wrote:
Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
You missed the point completely. Even if they were all elected past these primaries they don't get to override all the other votes in the house and senate. Just because they won the primary doesn't mean they can get voted in. You make it sound like a battle between good and evil. It's not. Its just people. There's no need to be so religious about it. These people are riding the coat strings of the party that's only difference with the Democrats is that they're crazy. Believing things like Obama isn't a US citizen, that he's a Muslim, that he's a socialist, etc. Blaming governmental organizations like the EPA or the Federal Reserve for the problems caused by corporate decisions is fraud. It's just a distraction from current economic and philosophical short comings. Most politics is a lot like professional wrestling, fake.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
You missed the point completely. Even if they were all elected past these primaries they don't get to override all the other votes in the house and senate. Just because they won the primary doesn't mean they can get voted in.
Two points here. First. If they are elected, then there is such a think as REPEALING law. So yes, they don't get to override all other votes, but if they introduce a bill to repeal a shit law, and it's voted on in both houses and is passed, then effectively they ARE overriding other votes. Second. I realize that Rand Paul and BJ Lawson did only win the primaries so far, but this is the first step, and I'm excited because this is what liberty lovers want. They want their voices heard for once, and not to be kept shut up in the background. Which is to your next point:
wolfbinary wrote:
You make it sound like a battle between good and evil. It's not. Its just people. There's no need to be so religious about it.
When governments do not listen to its people, it goes unchecked. And this is why these people are being elected, because they do listen to the people who elected them. There are no special interests involved. If you're against corporate takeovers by the government, and if you're against corporations taking over the government, this is a win for you. I'm not being religious about it. I'd like to see where I was being religious, please show me.
wolfbinary wrote:
These people are riding the coat strings of the party that's only difference with the Democrats is that they're crazy. Believing things like Obama isn't a US citizen, that he's a Muslim, that he's a socialist, etc. Blaming governmental organizations like the EPA or the Federal Reserve for the problems caused by corporate decisions is fraud. It's just a distraction from current economic and philosophical short comings. Most politics is a lot like professional wrestling, fake.
The only thing I agree with you here on is that politics is fake. Agreed. Let's define the terms on which we are arguing here, because apparently it's necessary. Democrat: Elite, powerful man/woman in the federal government that likes wealth transfer. Republican: Elite, powerful man/woman in the federal government that likes war mongering. Normal everday citizen: Neither of these two. A person who just wants to go about his/her daily l
-
josda1000 wrote:
Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
You missed the point completely. Even if they were all elected past these primaries they don't get to override all the other votes in the house and senate. Just because they won the primary doesn't mean they can get voted in. You make it sound like a battle between good and evil. It's not. Its just people. There's no need to be so religious about it. These people are riding the coat strings of the party that's only difference with the Democrats is that they're crazy. Believing things like Obama isn't a US citizen, that he's a Muslim, that he's a socialist, etc. Blaming governmental organizations like the EPA or the Federal Reserve for the problems caused by corporate decisions is fraud. It's just a distraction from current economic and philosophical short comings. Most politics is a lot like professional wrestling, fake.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
You make it sound like a battle between good and evil.
It is a battle between good and evil, right and wrong. It is that simple.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
-
wolfbinary wrote:
You make it sound like a battle between good and evil.
It is a battle between good and evil, right and wrong. It is that simple.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
And simple minded people always love those sort of statements, they have no nuance, require no thought, and make things nice and simple.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
-
And simple minded people always love those sort of statements, they have no nuance, require no thought, and make things nice and simple.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Intelligent people like myself have substantial powers of deduction.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
-
Intelligent people like myself have substantial powers of deduction.
Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined (High Quality 2:14:01)[^] Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] The Truthbox[^]
I have nothing to add.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks. "Intelligent people like myself have substantial powers of deduction." - Captain See Sharp.
-
America is full of lunatics. It's a question of how many there are at a given moment.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
-
It sure is, 15 hours to get home. I am flying home next Mon, back again 10 days later. I am so sick of flying.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
-
Here, let me fix that post for ya... *grabs the black marker*...
The problem with electing republicans politicians is that in 90%+ of cases, they don't actually give a rat's ass about fixing things, the people they represent, or the country. They vote with the morons in charge of their party and their biggest goal is to stop whatever the Dems are other parties are doing. McCain saying he'd basically stop doing his job was pretty big proof on that.
Politicians just want to keep their jobs... Regardless of party lines, there are very few who actually change anything. Those that can, never try. Those that try, don't know how.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
josda1000 wrote:
Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
You missed the point completely. Even if they were all elected past these primaries they don't get to override all the other votes in the house and senate. Just because they won the primary doesn't mean they can get voted in. You make it sound like a battle between good and evil. It's not. Its just people. There's no need to be so religious about it. These people are riding the coat strings of the party that's only difference with the Democrats is that they're crazy. Believing things like Obama isn't a US citizen, that he's a Muslim, that he's a socialist, etc. Blaming governmental organizations like the EPA or the Federal Reserve for the problems caused by corporate decisions is fraud. It's just a distraction from current economic and philosophical short comings. Most politics is a lot like professional wrestling, fake.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
-
Christian Graus wrote:
It's a question of how many there are at a given moment.
Have you gone back to Oz, yet?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
No, next Monday.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
-
Are you coming back to the LA area? I live about 35 miles from LAX. The 405 is a great commute (at 2AM).
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Oh, I've been stuck in LA traffic before, it took me three tries to see Universal Studios. I am there for a couple of hours, waiting for a flight at midnight. Did you want to come down and have a coffee ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
-
No, next Monday.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
There was a census portion to that mental health question. ;) ----- I normally spend every other week working near San Jose, I go up on Sundays. I am not sure yet if I'm going up this week, should find out by Friday.:~ I've got to check with the Boss, though, we only have one car. ;P If I'm not going up, I'm up for coffee. Richard
Opacity, the new Transparency.