Since I am more than suprised to see that CSS hasn't posted it yet...
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josda1000 wrote:
Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
You missed the point completely. Even if they were all elected past these primaries they don't get to override all the other votes in the house and senate. Just because they won the primary doesn't mean they can get voted in. You make it sound like a battle between good and evil. It's not. Its just people. There's no need to be so religious about it. These people are riding the coat strings of the party that's only difference with the Democrats is that they're crazy. Believing things like Obama isn't a US citizen, that he's a Muslim, that he's a socialist, etc. Blaming governmental organizations like the EPA or the Federal Reserve for the problems caused by corporate decisions is fraud. It's just a distraction from current economic and philosophical short comings. Most politics is a lot like professional wrestling, fake.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Christian Graus wrote:
It's a question of how many there are at a given moment.
Have you gone back to Oz, yet?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
No, next Monday.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Are you coming back to the LA area? I live about 35 miles from LAX. The 405 is a great commute (at 2AM).
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Oh, I've been stuck in LA traffic before, it took me three tries to see Universal Studios. I am there for a couple of hours, waiting for a flight at midnight. Did you want to come down and have a coffee ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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No, next Monday.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
There was a census portion to that mental health question. ;) ----- I normally spend every other week working near San Jose, I go up on Sundays. I am not sure yet if I'm going up this week, should find out by Friday.:~ I've got to check with the Boss, though, we only have one car. ;P If I'm not going up, I'm up for coffee. Richard
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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You people MUST have heard about Rand Paul's win in Kentucky. He won the Republican Primary for the Senate seat opening up by Jim Bunning. Do you hear our voices now, or do you just write it off as a bunch of looney tea partiers? All this is about fiscal responsibility and reigning in the government. We call this a Randslide. http://dailypaul.com/node/135089[^]
I call this riding on daddy's name. One seat means squat, but by all means do what ever you can to drive people away from the republican party through the fear and ignorance typified by some of the utter bullshit I can dredge up for you that these idiots have done. Fiscal responsibility takes a lot more than once seat, and given the fact that states only ever see the problem as being those other states and what they want, nothing is going to change. If you wish to prove me wrong on any of this, please show me a precise plan of what they intend to do to bring about this responsibility, how are they going to reign in the government. How exactly will they manage this with one seat, assuming the democrats don't beat him in the real election. I could run through the stats, but off the top of my head it only takes 5-10% of the population to win a primary, most people really don't care the others that do belong to the other party. According to what I've seen 1 in 10 identifies as a bagger, that they lost two speaks more to me than the fact they won one.
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Never heard of them. Probably because they're in Ohio. And one was for auditor, one for secretary of state. Have you heard of BJ Lawson? Peter Schiff? RJ Harris? Adam Kokesh? Neverminding these people, have you heard that NJ, MA and VA just elected people that are Republicans, and they are Democratic leaning states? Firstly, I'm talking about Federal politics, while you're talking about politics within a Democratic leaning state, FOR that state. Secondly, I don't think you've done your homework to really talk about Federal politics if you're talking about only Ohio. You're right. It's not right to count my chickens yet. However, there's every reason to be hopeful. Like I've said, "Men are currently willing to accept a government that they know is corrupt." I stole that line from a Deep Space Nine episode, but it's extremely apropos.
josda1000 wrote:
Neverminding these people, have you heard that NJ, MA and VA just elected people that are Republicans, and they are Democratic leaning states?
I should introduce you to the phrase New York republican. I was quite happy with mine until he started constantly towing the party line, next election I'm going to do a bit of local rabble rousing to see if I can't push to boot his ass, assuming the democrats A) Run someone(only done once in the last three elections) B) They actually have some form of qualification other than backing from Mrs Clinton. November is going to be interesting, a lot of fuckers have gone from reasonably sane to oppose everything at all costs, if people notice that the tea party may well wind up in better position than the republicans, though that wouldn't be saying much.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
except they are engineering the system so that they control it as their own prison planet. They want it as their production facility.
Here's a question for those who are not truly stupid to ponder. If the whole planet is made up of slaves, for a production facility, who are they producing stuff for, and where's the benefit in producing tons of anything, when there's no-one to sell it to ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Here's a question for those who are not truly stupid to ponder. If the whole planet is made up of slaves, for a production facility, who are they producing stuff for, and where's the benefit in producing tons of anything, when there's no-one to sell it to ?
I've actually worked out the pseudo logic behind this a few times, as I had a friend who spouted it for a while. Everyone alive works in the factory to produce for the rich, but since that only requires a tiny fraction of the population that must mean they want to kill huge segments of the population. Obviously since they're on to the plan of these horrible over lords they are the first, and anyone who calls them an idiot is part of the conspiracy or just another sheep. When you point out that luxury goods and services generally require a significant amount of labor and processes which require a rather extensive infrastructure to produce, and that when you factor in reality they need a significant amount of the people we currently have to maintain this luxury. In fact it's far easier just to sit in the current seats of power an enjoy the luxuries that we can produce now, than to deal with any of the consequences or losses of luxury involved in any of the inane theories put out there. It was about the time I worked this out that the guy stopped talking to me, I wasn't even an ass about it, just walked through it making points he couldn't refute or didn't have any of the knowledge required to. Power requires people, luxury requires people, killing people to secure power and luxury is generally counter productive.
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wolfbinary wrote:
You missed the point completely. Even if they were all elected past these primaries they don't get to override all the other votes in the house and senate. Just because they won the primary doesn't mean they can get voted in.
Two points here. First. If they are elected, then there is such a think as REPEALING law. So yes, they don't get to override all other votes, but if they introduce a bill to repeal a shit law, and it's voted on in both houses and is passed, then effectively they ARE overriding other votes. Second. I realize that Rand Paul and BJ Lawson did only win the primaries so far, but this is the first step, and I'm excited because this is what liberty lovers want. They want their voices heard for once, and not to be kept shut up in the background. Which is to your next point:
wolfbinary wrote:
You make it sound like a battle between good and evil. It's not. Its just people. There's no need to be so religious about it.
When governments do not listen to its people, it goes unchecked. And this is why these people are being elected, because they do listen to the people who elected them. There are no special interests involved. If you're against corporate takeovers by the government, and if you're against corporations taking over the government, this is a win for you. I'm not being religious about it. I'd like to see where I was being religious, please show me.
wolfbinary wrote:
These people are riding the coat strings of the party that's only difference with the Democrats is that they're crazy. Believing things like Obama isn't a US citizen, that he's a Muslim, that he's a socialist, etc. Blaming governmental organizations like the EPA or the Federal Reserve for the problems caused by corporate decisions is fraud. It's just a distraction from current economic and philosophical short comings. Most politics is a lot like professional wrestling, fake.
The only thing I agree with you here on is that politics is fake. Agreed. Let's define the terms on which we are arguing here, because apparently it's necessary. Democrat: Elite, powerful man/woman in the federal government that likes wealth transfer. Republican: Elite, powerful man/woman in the federal government that likes war mongering. Normal everday citizen: Neither of these two. A person who just wants to go about his/her daily l
josda1000 wrote:
First. If they are elected, then there is such a think as REPEALING law. So yes, they don't get to override all other votes, but if they introduce a bill to repeal a sh*t law, and it's voted on in both houses and is passed, then effectively they ARE overriding other votes.
Do you honestly believe even 5 tea party folks being elected is going to matter in this way? Let's say all 5 are senators in January. That means this group of people introduces a law to repeal something. They have exactly 5% of the senate backing this. You really think anyone else is going to vote to repeal things they were well funded to put in?
josda1000 wrote:
Let's define the terms on which we are arguing here, because apparently it's necessary. Democrat: Elite, powerful man/woman in the federal government that likes wealth transfer. Republican: Elite, powerful man/woman in the federal government that likes war mongering. Normal everday citizen: Neither of these two. A person who just wants to go about his/her daily life
Now let me define this, since this little trick pisses me off. Democrat: Idiot failing to use their political muscle to actually push legislation that might help people and their sponsors. Republican: a-hole that always uses their political power (even if they have little) to bully a Dem in order to help their sponsors. Sponsors: Companies and people with money and an agenda that makes them get more money. Common Man: Someone with too little influence or money to do anything but carry on and hope they don't get screwed by Dems or Reps. Tea Bagger: Guy saying "Less government" who can't figure out that if you give the common man the chance to be a sponser or an a-hole, they'll take it. Usually falls in a-hole catagory more than idiot.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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You people MUST have heard about Rand Paul's win in Kentucky. He won the Republican Primary for the Senate seat opening up by Jim Bunning. Do you hear our voices now, or do you just write it off as a bunch of looney tea partiers? All this is about fiscal responsibility and reigning in the government. We call this a Randslide. http://dailypaul.com/node/135089[^]
Well, this is the first race that the "tea party" has actually won so far. I guess that means it's time to declare the rest of America tea partiers, eh? (sarcasm) Your statement is similar in logic to one the LA Mayor made recently. For those that didn't know, the LA city council is officially boycotting Arizona. Well, an Arizona power regulator wrote him a nice, cordial letter and basically said, "That's fine. If you want a true economic boycott of Arizona, we'll gladly discontinue all power service to LA that comes from Arizona." He also said that two sides can disagree on any topic and remain cordial, but boycotting an entire state is not doing that. So, the LA mayor responded by saying he wouldn't respond to threats and that the majority of America agrees with him. So, where is he living? Every poll I've seen shows that better than 2 to 1, Americans are on the side of Arizona. Well, this applies here. How many primaries have there been so far? And only one tea partier has won, right? So, why can't we still write you off yet? And a landslide? In something like 19 counties, less than 500 people voted. Only 20 counties broke the 50% voter turnout mark. Only 32% of voters actually voted. Looking at the actual numbers, based on those results, Democrats would win and your tea partier wouldn't matter anyway. In fact 2 separate democratic candidates received more votes than Rand. By the numbers, only 7.3% of Kentuckians actually voted for Rand. Yep...that's a real landslide. Everyone better watch out...with that kind of momentum, Rand might actually make the local school board!
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Well, this is the first race that the "tea party" has actually won so far. I guess that means it's time to declare the rest of America tea partiers, eh? (sarcasm) Your statement is similar in logic to one the LA Mayor made recently. For those that didn't know, the LA city council is officially boycotting Arizona. Well, an Arizona power regulator wrote him a nice, cordial letter and basically said, "That's fine. If you want a true economic boycott of Arizona, we'll gladly discontinue all power service to LA that comes from Arizona." He also said that two sides can disagree on any topic and remain cordial, but boycotting an entire state is not doing that. So, the LA mayor responded by saying he wouldn't respond to threats and that the majority of America agrees with him. So, where is he living? Every poll I've seen shows that better than 2 to 1, Americans are on the side of Arizona. Well, this applies here. How many primaries have there been so far? And only one tea partier has won, right? So, why can't we still write you off yet? And a landslide? In something like 19 counties, less than 500 people voted. Only 20 counties broke the 50% voter turnout mark. Only 32% of voters actually voted. Looking at the actual numbers, based on those results, Democrats would win and your tea partier wouldn't matter anyway. In fact 2 separate democratic candidates received more votes than Rand. By the numbers, only 7.3% of Kentuckians actually voted for Rand. Yep...that's a real landslide. Everyone better watch out...with that kind of momentum, Rand might actually make the local school board!
William Winner wrote:
And a landslide? In something like 19 counties, less than 500 people voted. Only 20 counties broke the 50% voter turnout mark. Only 32% of voters actually voted. Looking at the actual numbers, based on those results, Democrats would win and your tea partier wouldn't matter anyway. In fact 2 separate democratic candidates received more votes than Rand.
That's why the call it a Randslide. It's as close as they're going to get.
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Intelligent people like myself have substantial powers of deduction.
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and intelligent people pose an arguement with views and opinions and not just links to other peoples.. just my tupence worth
Marc Clifton wrote:
That has nothing to do with VB. - Oh crap. I just defended VB!
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and intelligent people pose an arguement with views and opinions and not just links to other peoples.. just my tupence worth
Marc Clifton wrote:
That has nothing to do with VB. - Oh crap. I just defended VB!
An intelligent person doesn't waste his time typing out the same thing over and over, instead he points others to a comprehensive source.
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