American music.
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Now, I have long held the opinion that American music, I mean the US here, not Latin music, just isnt as good as UK, Europe, Oz and so on. Take grunge. Its 30 years behind punk. Techno. THe US just doesnt get it, yet its been common place here for 20 years. Rock? Well, the US does do it. Although its too shiny and plasticy. Nothing as good as Black Sabbath or LedZep. Even Hendrix. He was 'discovered' playing in London, and was backed by British musicians, giving his music the British heavy rock sound that the Kinks, Stones and The Who typified. France does OK, Indo Chine, Les Rita Moustika, even Germany has Ramsteinm, although for the most part their music is crap. So, convince me. Is there any US American music that you think can convince me that it is just as god as its European counterpart?
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fat_boy wrote:
So, convince me. Is there any US American music that you think can convince me that it is just as god as its European counterpart?
Blues, for a start. Nothing touches authentic American blues. People like Joe Bonamassa and Jeff Beck come close, but don't try to tell me that Eric Clapton ever did more than try to copy Freddy King. I did see John Mayall recently, but I saw Buddy Guy a week before. John was good, Buddy was unbelievable. I don't even know of any purely acoustic blues artists that exist outside of the US ones. Who anywhere in the world could complete with John Lee Hooker ? There ARE no non American thrash metal bands worth considering, it's really all down to the big four. That also goes for heavy metal bands like Twisted Sister, Motley Crue, etc. They created a genre that America owns. Of course, classic metal comes down to bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and then going back to bands like Saxon, no question of that.
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Now, I have long held the opinion that American music, I mean the US here, not Latin music, just isnt as good as UK, Europe, Oz and so on. Take grunge. Its 30 years behind punk. Techno. THe US just doesnt get it, yet its been common place here for 20 years. Rock? Well, the US does do it. Although its too shiny and plasticy. Nothing as good as Black Sabbath or LedZep. Even Hendrix. He was 'discovered' playing in London, and was backed by British musicians, giving his music the British heavy rock sound that the Kinks, Stones and The Who typified. France does OK, Indo Chine, Les Rita Moustika, even Germany has Ramsteinm, although for the most part their music is crap. So, convince me. Is there any US American music that you think can convince me that it is just as god as its European counterpart?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Oh, and apart from adding Aerosmith to the mix, I am listening to Stevie Wonder right now. People like him, Marvin Gaye, even Edwin Starr and Wilson Pickett. What non US artists compete successfully in THAT genre ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Now, I have long held the opinion that American music, I mean the US here, not Latin music, just isnt as good as UK, Europe, Oz and so on. Take grunge. Its 30 years behind punk. Techno. THe US just doesnt get it, yet its been common place here for 20 years. Rock? Well, the US does do it. Although its too shiny and plasticy. Nothing as good as Black Sabbath or LedZep. Even Hendrix. He was 'discovered' playing in London, and was backed by British musicians, giving his music the British heavy rock sound that the Kinks, Stones and The Who typified. France does OK, Indo Chine, Les Rita Moustika, even Germany has Ramsteinm, although for the most part their music is crap. So, convince me. Is there any US American music that you think can convince me that it is just as god as its European counterpart?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I'd have to mostly agree, though there HAVE been exceptions. Janis Joplin, Grateful Dead... I know Aerosmith is laughed at a lot, but I like their stuff. But yeah... For the most part, most of the best music comes from elsewhere... Hell, I'm named after the leader of a British rock band (Jethro Tull), so I know where you're coming from :)
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Roots/Folk music, Tom Russell, James McMurtry, Iris Dement, John Prine, Townes Van Zant, Jimmy Dale Gilmore, Steve Earl, Lucinda Williams, Emmy Lou Harris, Nanci Griffith, Lowen and Navarro....
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fat_boy wrote:
Techno. THe US just doesnt get it...
Something for which I am eternally grateful... :laugh:
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Like punk you might get it in 20 years. When Europe has moved on.
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Robert Johnson, Django Reinhardt, Elvis, Nat King Cole, Dizzy Gillespie, Louis Armstrong, Glen Miller, Benny Goodman, Miles Davis, Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, BB King, Early Metallica, etc, etc...
Yeah, see that I know prety well. And 60s RnB does come close. (Nina Simone I would out in your list too) but it is just so, well, preconceived. Ever heard Cant Explain by The Who? Thats what I am talking about. Pure, raw, energy.
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fat_boy wrote:
So, convince me. Is there any US American music that you think can convince me that it is just as god as its European counterpart?
Blues, for a start. Nothing touches authentic American blues. People like Joe Bonamassa and Jeff Beck come close, but don't try to tell me that Eric Clapton ever did more than try to copy Freddy King. I did see John Mayall recently, but I saw Buddy Guy a week before. John was good, Buddy was unbelievable. I don't even know of any purely acoustic blues artists that exist outside of the US ones. Who anywhere in the world could complete with John Lee Hooker ? There ARE no non American thrash metal bands worth considering, it's really all down to the big four. That also goes for heavy metal bands like Twisted Sister, Motley Crue, etc. They created a genre that America owns. Of course, classic metal comes down to bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and then going back to bands like Saxon, no question of that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Oh come on. Fleetwood Mac wipe the floor with any American artist when it comes to the blues. As for CLapton, Yardbirds, Stones etc. However, you have a point. The ONLY music of any quality coming out of the USW has been black muic. Blues, Stax (actually I quite like Stax) RnB etc. Actualy I was in Buddy Guys bar a few years back. Music was OK, but the Blues is so done to death. As for thrash metal? I am sure when it comes to doing somehting in a tasteless way the Americans are the best. Not that I would want to listen to it though.
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fat_boy wrote:
not Latin music
Something I've always kinda wondered. Do the people in Mexico know that they have the worst music in the world? Do those poor souls just not know any better?
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Oh, and apart from adding Aerosmith to the mix, I am listening to Stevie Wonder right now. People like him, Marvin Gaye, even Edwin Starr and Wilson Pickett. What non US artists compete successfully in THAT genre ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Oh come on. Fleetwood Mac wipe the floor with any American artist when it comes to the blues. As for CLapton, Yardbirds, Stones etc. However, you have a point. The ONLY music of any quality coming out of the USW has been black muic. Blues, Stax (actually I quite like Stax) RnB etc. Actualy I was in Buddy Guys bar a few years back. Music was OK, but the Blues is so done to death. As for thrash metal? I am sure when it comes to doing somehting in a tasteless way the Americans are the best. Not that I would want to listen to it though.
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fat_boy wrote:
Fleetwood Mac wipe the floor with any American artist when it comes to the blues.
Rubbish. Peter Green was good, but he was not THAT good. Any WHITE American artist, perhaps.
fat_boy wrote:
However, you have a point. The ONLY music of any quality coming out of the USW has been black muic. Blues, Stax (actually I quite like Stax) RnB etc.
Yeah, I've been getting in to Sly and the Family Stone, and Stax and Motown compilations a lot lately.
fat_boy wrote:
Actualy I was in Buddy Guys bar a few years back. Music was OK, but the Blues is so done to death.
Well, I guess it depends. All country sounds the same to me. Blues is very restricted in terms of basic form, the basic form is a vehicle for expression by soloists, and no music is more emotional, for me, than a slow blues. Fast blues is done to death.
fat_boy wrote:
As for thrash metal? I am sure when it comes to doing somehting in a tasteless way the Americans are the best. Not that I would want to listen to it though.
*grin* yeah, see my comments on country. If you don't like it, then it's bound to all sound the same.
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Yeah, see that I know prety well. And 60s RnB does come close. (Nina Simone I would out in your list too) but it is just so, well, preconceived. Ever heard Cant Explain by The Who? Thats what I am talking about. Pure, raw, energy.
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fat_boy wrote:
Ever heard Cant Explain by The Who?
Of course he has. They are an American band.
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RichardM1 wrote:
fat_boy wrote: Ever heard Cant Explain by The Who? Of course he has. They are an American band.
Was that a joke? "The Who" are from the UK
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Oh come on, its a joke band! Unles you are refering to the lyrics of one of the best rock song ever. In which case I give you full credit for slipping it in.
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fat_boy wrote:
Unles you are refering to the lyrics of one of the best rock song ever.
Let me guess - Dynamo Hum? Personally, I was always partial to Cosmik Debris. :)
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Now, I have long held the opinion that American music, I mean the US here, not Latin music, just isnt as good as UK, Europe, Oz and so on. Take grunge. Its 30 years behind punk. Techno. THe US just doesnt get it, yet its been common place here for 20 years. Rock? Well, the US does do it. Although its too shiny and plasticy. Nothing as good as Black Sabbath or LedZep. Even Hendrix. He was 'discovered' playing in London, and was backed by British musicians, giving his music the British heavy rock sound that the Kinks, Stones and The Who typified. France does OK, Indo Chine, Les Rita Moustika, even Germany has Ramsteinm, although for the most part their music is crap. So, convince me. Is there any US American music that you think can convince me that it is just as god as its European counterpart?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Dream Theater, The Allman Brother, Pearl Jam, Anthrax, Satriani, Foo Fighters, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Tenacious D (when they sing/play that is), The Outlaws, Eric Johnson, Guns 'n Roses, Iggy Pop, Kansas, Van Halen, Alice Cooper, Ozzy (although a brit, he produced his music in the US), Megadeth, Metallica, Shadow Gallery, Slayer, The Misfits (the only punk music I listen to), Kiss, Avenged Sevenfold, Pantera, Queens of the Stone Age, The Smashing Pumpkins, Velvet Revolver, Boston, Rush (Canadian, but that doesn't matter, as it isn't European), Faith No More, Dio, Yngwie Malmsteen (he was born in Sweden, but left for the US a long time ago. He claims he's an American now), Tool, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots, Kyuss, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Elvis, Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Young, Tom Petty, The Travelling Willburys, Toto, and the list could go on forever...
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