Murder is irrelevant. [modified]
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What is typical is to disucss something so taboo so openly. Sex, drugs, death, paedophillia, the Dutch have a frankness of discussion that is refreshing and progressive.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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What is typical is to disucss something so taboo so openly. Sex, drugs, death, paedophillia, the Dutch have a frankness of discussion that is refreshing and progressive.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Its an anarchistic principle, which while inoitially sounding stupid, is actually relevant when you look at acts such as the enclosure act. Common land was taken, enclosed, and called the property of the local lord, where upon the peasants had to resort to 'poaching' and sneaky grazing on what was to them still their land.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Its an anarchistic principle, which while inoitially sounding stupid, is actually relevant when you look at acts such as the enclosure act. Common land was taken, enclosed, and called the property of the local lord, where upon the peasants had to resort to 'poaching' and sneaky grazing on what was to them still their land.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Its an anarchistic principle, which while inoitially sounding stupid, is actually relevant when you look at acts such as the enclosure act.
The problem with your argument is that it had to be someones property for it to be stolen to make it someones property. You go back far enough, and no one owned it, and the first owning was not theft. Even 'common land' has been owned. If you have your group's common land, and I try and graze on it, I will quickly learn I have no claim. It was already unavailable to me, prior to the enclosure act, so the act did not make it property, any more or less than defining it as common land. In Europe, feudal laws did not make property or ownership, though they did steal from those who previously owned. In the US, after the European plagues swept through, there was all kinds of property not owned by anyone, because they all died of smallpox. Of course, there was also all kinds of stolen land. But stolen from who?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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fat_boy wrote:
Its an anarchistic principle, which while inoitially sounding stupid, is actually relevant when you look at acts such as the enclosure act.
The problem with your argument is that it had to be someones property for it to be stolen to make it someones property. You go back far enough, and no one owned it, and the first owning was not theft. Even 'common land' has been owned. If you have your group's common land, and I try and graze on it, I will quickly learn I have no claim. It was already unavailable to me, prior to the enclosure act, so the act did not make it property, any more or less than defining it as common land. In Europe, feudal laws did not make property or ownership, though they did steal from those who previously owned. In the US, after the European plagues swept through, there was all kinds of property not owned by anyone, because they all died of smallpox. Of course, there was also all kinds of stolen land. But stolen from who?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
someones property
Well, it was common property (as is much of France in fact, where the forests and scrub land are owned by the commune, or parish if you like) and so free for all to use. As for a stranger wandering through, and camping on it, or sholoting a rabbit for dinner, I am fairly sure the locals wouldnt get too pissed off. Of course if an entire tribe moved in and started to use the land things might get a bit heated, but that is human nature. What DID happen was the worst. The rich local bigwig just fenced the land off and called it his, and then prosecuted anyone who went on it. ANd that is quite a different story.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription