Media Blackout on the Oil Spill
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Apparently you didn't deserve my reply.
digital man wrote:
it's just an ersatz CSS - there is no logic; just conspiracies and paranoia.
And I'm the one who's irrational...
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
And I'm the one who's irrational...
yes, you are.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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To be fair, while his beliefs at first glance look similar to CSS, this is a guy who is able to discuss rationally. I don't think he deserves to be lumped in with CSS, he will discuss and defend his views. I don't buy them, but that doesn't mean he's like CSS, whose sin is not having strange ideas, but being incapable of discussing them without resorting to insults.
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I have to admit that he is stoutly defending his position: I shall apologise for lumping him with CSS - no one really deserves that.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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They have the national guard at their disposal. I'd say that's a great start. The guy (if you could listen to the MP3) said he felt as if he were being watched when he started taking shots. I don't know, maybe you could listen to the file instead of writing it off so fast.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
said he felt as if he were being watched when he started taking shots
Which speaks only to his state of mind, unless you're saying he has super powers :P Seriously, I can't listen to an mp3, that's why I waited for your summary before commenting, I assume your summary was accurate. But, that someone in the 'independant media' sees a conspiracy is no surprise and no proof that one exists ( although if there is proof, I am willing to read about it ).
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Do you realize how much cleaning up there is to do? If it's already going to the Atlantic basin, they have a major task to take on.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.I heartily retract my reference to you being like CSS. Still think you're seeing something that isn't there but at least you don't cave and run away.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
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Do you realize how much cleaning up there is to do? If it's already going to the Atlantic basin, they have a major task to take on.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.yes there is reference to the fact that the clean up operation could of billions to complete. yes BP have bought the top spot on google if you search for oil spill, but the link given goes to what they are doing to actively solve the problem so that is a marketing ploy to better their name.
Marc Clifton wrote:
That has nothing to do with VB. - Oh crap. I just defended VB!
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Basically the United States of America is are blacking out the fact that they do not want this stuff cleaned up. Please, humor me; watch this. And then follow his link to listen to the mp3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJHf3Tn7mJY[^] Again, this goes to the idea that we really are "fascist". Think about it seriously. Cuz we all love regulations.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
Basically the United States of America is are blacking out the fact that they do not want this stuff cleaned up.
Doesn't want to? More along the lines of, Refuses to pay for it, doesn't really know how, and figures it'll just go away. They want it cleaned up, they just don't want to do it. But really, oil in the gulf, gets picked up by currents and winds up all over the damn place. This isn't expected? Gulf, still covered in oil, just doesn't make for much of a headline when they've been harping on the leak every day for over a month. It's not a blackout, it's just that no one really gives a shit if it doesn't effect them.
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yes there is reference to the fact that the clean up operation could of billions to complete. yes BP have bought the top spot on google if you search for oil spill, but the link given goes to what they are doing to actively solve the problem so that is a marketing ploy to better their name.
Marc Clifton wrote:
That has nothing to do with VB. - Oh crap. I just defended VB!
Simon_Whale wrote:
yes BP have bought the top spot on google if you search for oil spill, but the link given goes to what they are doing to actively solve the problem so that is a marketing ploy to better their name.
Wow - a company engaged in media spin ? Say it isn't so ?
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josda1000 wrote:
said he felt as if he were being watched when he started taking shots
Which speaks only to his state of mind, unless you're saying he has super powers :P Seriously, I can't listen to an mp3, that's why I waited for your summary before commenting, I assume your summary was accurate. But, that someone in the 'independant media' sees a conspiracy is no surprise and no proof that one exists ( although if there is proof, I am willing to read about it ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
And that is precisely the problem. You need to dig for more information than what is given to you. You have to actively search for it. I have no true interest in how much money a company makes... but BP obviously does, and so does the government. That's why you don't hear about the enormity of the problem, you just know that there is a problem, and you think that nobody is trying to fix it. Well, they are, but it's gigantic at this point. I mean, think of it; it's been a month at least, and the oil is obviously going to spread. Don't take my word for this, go find out yourself. You're right. Just because I have one source doesn't mean there are other sources... but go find those sources.
Josh Davis
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So that explains the alleged media blackout? Highly doubtful: in any case the media are pretty much self serving: they report what they want to report to make sales so why are they any more believable than anyone else? The problem with buying into all this nonsense is that you quickly lose site of the truth as you create more and more complex stories to explain what is going on. Most of the time the simplest explanation is the truth and that is probably that BP are up against it, the US govt is applying pressure and journos smell a better story in a conspiracy than the truth. Nothing new in any of that.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven nils illegitimus carborundum
digital man wrote:
in any case the media are pretty much self serving: they report what they want to report to make sales so why are they any more believable than anyone else?
100% agreed. Absolutely.
digital man wrote:
The problem with buying into all this nonsense is that you quickly lose site of the truth as you create more and more complex stories to explain what is going on.
Whose to say that one source is more credible than the other? Put another way: why do you have to believe the mainstream over independents, and why do I have to believe the independents over the mainstream? Therefore, do you dig for credible information and put the pieces together? Who are you, or I, to claim that one source spits only truth while the others do not?
digital man wrote:
Most of the time the simplest explanation is the truth and that is probably that BP are up against it, the US govt is applying pressure and journos smell a better story in a conspiracy than the truth.
I'd agree that the simple explanations are often the truth. But not all the time, and that's why in this scenario, since we don't hear much from over there except for the same story over and over again, I believe this guy's story. And I definitely know that nobody is talking about this enough.
Josh Davis
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And that is precisely the problem. You need to dig for more information than what is given to you. You have to actively search for it. I have no true interest in how much money a company makes... but BP obviously does, and so does the government. That's why you don't hear about the enormity of the problem, you just know that there is a problem, and you think that nobody is trying to fix it. Well, they are, but it's gigantic at this point. I mean, think of it; it's been a month at least, and the oil is obviously going to spread. Don't take my word for this, go find out yourself. You're right. Just because I have one source doesn't mean there are other sources... but go find those sources.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
Don't take my word for this, go find out yourself. You're right. Just because I have one source doesn't mean there are other sources... but go find those sources.
I have no doubt the problem is bad. I agree with the other person who said the main reason it's not being reported is probably that people have moved on, and don't care much anymore.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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digital man wrote:
in any case the media are pretty much self serving: they report what they want to report to make sales so why are they any more believable than anyone else?
100% agreed. Absolutely.
digital man wrote:
The problem with buying into all this nonsense is that you quickly lose site of the truth as you create more and more complex stories to explain what is going on.
Whose to say that one source is more credible than the other? Put another way: why do you have to believe the mainstream over independents, and why do I have to believe the independents over the mainstream? Therefore, do you dig for credible information and put the pieces together? Who are you, or I, to claim that one source spits only truth while the others do not?
digital man wrote:
Most of the time the simplest explanation is the truth and that is probably that BP are up against it, the US govt is applying pressure and journos smell a better story in a conspiracy than the truth.
I'd agree that the simple explanations are often the truth. But not all the time, and that's why in this scenario, since we don't hear much from over there except for the same story over and over again, I believe this guy's story. And I definitely know that nobody is talking about this enough.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
Whose to say that one source is more credible than the other?
The most likely truth is to not accept any source, but to read many and look to create a balanced view.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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josda1000 wrote:
Don't take my word for this, go find out yourself. You're right. Just because I have one source doesn't mean there are other sources... but go find those sources.
I have no doubt the problem is bad. I agree with the other person who said the main reason it's not being reported is probably that people have moved on, and don't care much anymore.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Then why is it that when I look up at the TV at work (The office has CNBC going all day), there seems to be about a 50% chance that they're talking about the oil spill or BP? Just looked up... The bulletin on the screen... "Petrochina to save BP?"
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Then why is it that when I look up at the TV at work (The office has CNBC going all day), there seems to be about a 50% chance that they're talking about the oil spill or BP? Just looked up... The bulletin on the screen... "Petrochina to save BP?"
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian, simple explanation. Media blackout, media propaganda. I don't know if you read my other posts, but you really have to dive into other sources to put two and two together.
Josh Davis
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josda1000 wrote:
Whose to say that one source is more credible than the other?
The most likely truth is to not accept any source, but to read many and look to create a balanced view.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Ian, simple explanation. Media blackout, media propaganda. I don't know if you read my other posts, but you really have to dive into other sources to put two and two together.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.The big question is always, why is the more obscure source necessarily 100% trustworthy ? Sure, the mainstream media is not, but why is a guy with a shaky video camera and a little bit of HTML knowledge so much better ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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The big question is always, why is the more obscure source necessarily 100% trustworthy ? Sure, the mainstream media is not, but why is a guy with a shaky video camera and a little bit of HTML knowledge so much better ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
The big question is always, why is the more obscure source necessarily 100% trustworthy ?
I'm not saying they are. It's another source, and should be treated as such is what I'm saying. Usually it's written off, and that is a mistake. To counter that point, why is the more mainstream media with a tripod so much better? Just because they have tons of money?
Josh Davis
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The big question is always, why is the more obscure source necessarily 100% trustworthy ? Sure, the mainstream media is not, but why is a guy with a shaky video camera and a little bit of HTML knowledge so much better ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The big media corporations are in cahoots with the government, and so is BP. MSNBC for example is 80% owned by General Electric, one of the top 5 military contractors.
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The big question is always, why is the more obscure source necessarily 100% trustworthy ? Sure, the mainstream media is not, but why is a guy with a shaky video camera and a little bit of HTML knowledge so much better ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
To continue, another counterpoint: Ask yourself, am I really that arrogant to not check all sources, and give equal weight to all parties? I know you're not, but most people really do subscribe to "mainstream knows all". They just look at the television and take for granted that they know the whole story, when most likely they don't.
Josh Davis
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josda1000 wrote:
BP is working with the government, and the government is telling the media what to do. It's immoral, illegal and unlawful. Men need to know the truth, I'm sorry.
I think in this case, the government is working to support BP... My guess would be that the Coast Guard was instructed to "Do whatever you can to assist them", and they're just not questioning BP's instructions. Assuming this, it's just a matter of someone bringing this to light. I do agree that this needs to stop, but don't assume that everything is part of the grand scheme of the Obama administration... Big government is a lot of right-hand/left-hand... As in, nobody knows what anyone else is doing. Maybe it's the Obama administration trying to keep things quiet, or maybe it's BP overreaching their mandate and breaking the law... Maybe it's both. I would put the odds slightly in favor of BP doing something stupid, and the government being too uncoordinated to stop it. I don't think the administration is quite stupid enough to risk this kind of PR hit intentionally, given how much they're hurting already.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Somehow I missed this. Sorry. To argue the points:
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I think in this case, the government is working to support BP.
That's your opinion, and I'd agree with you lol
Ian Shlasko wrote:
My guess would be that the Coast Guard was instructed to "Do whatever you can to assist them", and they're just not questioning BP's instructions.
Again, agreed.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I do agree that this needs to stop, but don't assume that everything is part of the grand scheme of the Obama administration.
I'm not saying it is, and I wouldn't agree if you did. No way, this isn't "political", this is more about the company.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Big government is a lot of right-hand/left-hand... As in, nobody knows what anyone else is doing.
Which is the precise problem of central planning in the first place. But never mind the government issue, this is less to do with the politics in this case, I believe. This is the "right hand", as you say. "Private sector", if you will. It's about BP making a big mistake and using the government to cover up the enormity of the situation. If they were at fault, and they are, they should be prosecuted in admiralty law, actually. This is a maritime issue, and they should be totally disbanned and bankrupted.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I would put the odds slightly in favor of BP doing something stupid, and the government being too uncoordinated to stop it.
I agree that they did something stupid, but for their "accident", and because it is such a disaster, they should be prosecuted. The government has nothing to do with this, per se. It was in the gulf of mexico, not on federation soil.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I don't think the administration is quite stupid enough to risk this kind of PR hit intentionally, given how much they're hurting already.
Agreed, totally.
Josh Davis
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josda1000 wrote:
BP is working with the government, and the government is telling the media what to do. It's immoral, illegal and unlawful. Men need to know the truth, I'm sorry.
I think in this case, the government is working to support BP... My guess would be that the Coast Guard was instructed to "Do whatever you can to assist them", and they're just not questioning BP's instructions. Assuming this, it's just a matter of someone bringing this to light. I do agree that this needs to stop, but don't assume that everything is part of the grand scheme of the Obama administration... Big government is a lot of right-hand/left-hand... As in, nobody knows what anyone else is doing. Maybe it's the Obama administration trying to keep things quiet, or maybe it's BP overreaching their mandate and breaking the law... Maybe it's both. I would put the odds slightly in favor of BP doing something stupid, and the government being too uncoordinated to stop it. I don't think the administration is quite stupid enough to risk this kind of PR hit intentionally, given how much they're hurting already.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ah, I forgot to continue... because they are not being prosecuted under admiralty law, leads me to believe even further that the government is sympathetic to BP. the DOJ should be prosecuting them, but are not. Big problem, and a coverup.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.