Media Blackout on the Oil Spill
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OK, so you made an allegation and totally failed to prove it. MSNBC is owned by General Electric. Which of those owns the government ?
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I said general electric is one of the top 5 military contractors, and owns 80% of MSNBC.
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It isn't the government doing this. And it isn't as bad as you are saying for the blackout. Last night the wife and I watched the news. (her idea, I use websites) On CBS they had all this info and it sounded pretty bad. They were explaining it was catastrophic to businesses, BP was using red tape to slow down damage claims, they lowered a camera in the water to show how bad it was (the thing was unable to see 3 inches) and generally made it look pretty horrible. It talked about how some folks were using local research stuff and how the Federal government or BP's reporting was woefully inadequate, but that the data was out there. During a commercial break, the president of BP got on and told the viewers that they were going to pay for the clean up and that they were doing their best. Even during a fairly damning piece on them, CBS was willing to take a ton of money and let this commercial lower the impact. The info is out there and it is getting out. BP's just paying well to slow it down. The fed is not equipped to handle this sort of thing. Which is a sad state of affairs.
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Fair point. But I do have a couple points to make to your post.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
During a commercial break, the president of BP got on and told the viewers that they were going to pay for the clean up and that they were doing their best.
It's the president of the company. They HAVE to say that they're going to do something about it. What president would say otherwise?
ragnaroknrol wrote:
BP's just paying well to slow it down.
And that's my point. If you take out all of the independent media (which is categorically small at this point) and slow down the mainstream, you're doing well.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
The fed is not equipped to handle this sort of thing. Which is a sad state of affairs.
It's not the government's job to clean it up, it's BP's. And now, they should definitely be prosecuted or fined so heavily that they go bankrupt. Of course, that wouldn't pay for the damage caused to the ocean, but I'm just saying.
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No, the truth is that they are all mostly worthless. Getting the facts seperate from the spin is very difficult and rarely worth the effort.
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Then why do we care so much about the oil spill? It's almost like Ian said with the murder post (which I highly disagree with), why do we care about the oil spill or murder if it doesn't effect us directly? It's just more damage done. I realize the effects it will have on the ocean, but think: oil is a natural resource, and even our bodies decay into natural resources called water and dirt. Why do we care about these stories? Why do we even NEED the media, if we already know it's spun out of proportion?!
Josh Davis
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Then why do we care so much about the oil spill? It's almost like Ian said with the murder post (which I highly disagree with), why do we care about the oil spill or murder if it doesn't effect us directly? It's just more damage done. I realize the effects it will have on the ocean, but think: oil is a natural resource, and even our bodies decay into natural resources called water and dirt. Why do we care about these stories? Why do we even NEED the media, if we already know it's spun out of proportion?!
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
Why do we care about these stories? Why do we even NEED the media, if we already know it's spun out of proportion?!
The media, esp in the US, mostly lets people hear a constant stream of bad news, which makes them want to know more, and also keeps them in a state of fear. But, it's not that anyone planned to do that, that's just what sells papers. At home, stories about how common people are being pushed under by big companies is the main thing that sells papers.
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I said general electric is one of the top 5 military contractors, and owns 80% of MSNBC.
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And you created a link to government that you did not prove.
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josda1000 wrote:
Why do we care about these stories? Why do we even NEED the media, if we already know it's spun out of proportion?!
The media, esp in the US, mostly lets people hear a constant stream of bad news, which makes them want to know more, and also keeps them in a state of fear. But, it's not that anyone planned to do that, that's just what sells papers. At home, stories about how common people are being pushed under by big companies is the main thing that sells papers.
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Understood, and agreed. But it's also an innate sense that most people (understood most) have, and that's about morality and obligation. We all have an obligation to do what's right for our fellow man, and care about what happens in the world, and that's why papers sell as well. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Josh Davis
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And you created a link to government that you did not prove.
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Christian, he said it loud and clear. General Electric is a military (part of the government? or does he have to prove that military is in the constitution?) contractor, and it owns a media outlet.
Josh Davis
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Christian, he said it loud and clear. General Electric is a military (part of the government? or does he have to prove that military is in the constitution?) contractor, and it owns a media outlet.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.Selling to the military does not mean being part of government.
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Understood, and agreed. But it's also an innate sense that most people (understood most) have, and that's about morality and obligation. We all have an obligation to do what's right for our fellow man, and care about what happens in the world, and that's why papers sell as well. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
We all have an obligation to do what's right for our fellow man, and care about what happens in the world, and that's why papers sell as well.
I don't think that's the motivation at all. I think there's a level of voyeurism in reading about other people's misfortune, but if we want to do what's right, reading the paper will not help us.
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Selling to the military does not mean being part of government.
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You're absolutely right. And he didn't say that either. He said that they are in collusion. Reinterpreting is what is getting you wrong. But that's what the news does anyway, so you're probably just learning from the best lol
Josh Davis
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You're absolutely right. And he didn't say that either. He said that they are in collusion. Reinterpreting is what is getting you wrong. But that's what the news does anyway, so you're probably just learning from the best lol
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.I read the local news when I am away from home. I know it's a rag, but it gives me SOME idea of what is happening at home. Beyond that, I don't read the news. If you'd said the same thing, I may have read it more closely, years of dealing with captain retard means I assume anything he says is beneath contempt. I am rarely wrong.
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Somehow I missed this. Sorry. To argue the points:
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I think in this case, the government is working to support BP.
That's your opinion, and I'd agree with you lol
Ian Shlasko wrote:
My guess would be that the Coast Guard was instructed to "Do whatever you can to assist them", and they're just not questioning BP's instructions.
Again, agreed.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I do agree that this needs to stop, but don't assume that everything is part of the grand scheme of the Obama administration.
I'm not saying it is, and I wouldn't agree if you did. No way, this isn't "political", this is more about the company.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Big government is a lot of right-hand/left-hand... As in, nobody knows what anyone else is doing.
Which is the precise problem of central planning in the first place. But never mind the government issue, this is less to do with the politics in this case, I believe. This is the "right hand", as you say. "Private sector", if you will. It's about BP making a big mistake and using the government to cover up the enormity of the situation. If they were at fault, and they are, they should be prosecuted in admiralty law, actually. This is a maritime issue, and they should be totally disbanned and bankrupted.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I would put the odds slightly in favor of BP doing something stupid, and the government being too uncoordinated to stop it.
I agree that they did something stupid, but for their "accident", and because it is such a disaster, they should be prosecuted. The government has nothing to do with this, per se. It was in the gulf of mexico, not on federation soil.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
I don't think the administration is quite stupid enough to risk this kind of PR hit intentionally, given how much they're hurting already.
Agreed, totally.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
If they were at fault, and they are, they should be prosecuted in admiralty law, actually. This is a maritime issue, and they should be totally disbanned and bankrupted.
Well, one thing to think about here... If the government starts attacking from that angle, what motivation does BP have to fix the problem? That's like telling a bank robber, "You've been sentenced to death, but first you have to give the money back." (Yes, I know thieves don't get the death penalty - It's a difficult analogy) Unless the BP execs think that they'll be able to continue doing business after this is done, they have no reason to work extra hard to fix their mess.
josda1000 wrote:
I agree that they did something stupid, but for their "accident", and because it is such a disaster, they should be prosecuted
Actually, by them doing "something stupid," I was referring to the attempted cover-up, not the spill itself. Sure, that was stupid too, but that's beside the point :)
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Basically the United States of America is are blacking out the fact that they do not want this stuff cleaned up. Please, humor me; watch this. And then follow his link to listen to the mp3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJHf3Tn7mJY[^] Again, this goes to the idea that we really are "fascist". Think about it seriously. Cuz we all love regulations.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.I'll view the video later, when I get a chance at home, but how anyone thinks that the government of the USA doesn't want this cleaned up, is beyond me. There are two distinct problems at work here. #1 is to cap off that well. So far no one has succeeded and so the likely hood of achieving #2, to clean up all the shores is kinda moot. It wont happen until #1 gets done. Now you can bitch and complain and theorize all you want, but that is not going to clean up any beaches nor is it going to cap the well. :)
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Fair point. But I do have a couple points to make to your post.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
During a commercial break, the president of BP got on and told the viewers that they were going to pay for the clean up and that they were doing their best.
It's the president of the company. They HAVE to say that they're going to do something about it. What president would say otherwise?
ragnaroknrol wrote:
BP's just paying well to slow it down.
And that's my point. If you take out all of the independent media (which is categorically small at this point) and slow down the mainstream, you're doing well.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
The fed is not equipped to handle this sort of thing. Which is a sad state of affairs.
It's not the government's job to clean it up, it's BP's. And now, they should definitely be prosecuted or fined so heavily that they go bankrupt. Of course, that wouldn't pay for the damage caused to the ocean, but I'm just saying.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
It's not the government's job to clean it up, it's BP's. And now, they should definitely be prosecuted or fined so heavily that they go bankrupt. Of course, that wouldn't pay for the damage caused to the ocean, but I'm just saying.
Correct. But it has shown the government isn't even up to task with handling stuff they are in charge of. Like fining people that destroy the livlihoods of a thousands of people. Limewire is facing a $1 Billion fine due to the RIAA. BP is facing 69 million due to the US Government. yea, not exactly giving me any hope there. I am fine with a CEO or whatever doing a commercial. What got me was the fact that no one in CBS thought "we are doing a piece showing just how much these guys are covering up, oh they want to put a commercial in refuting us? SURE!!" was a bad idea. We agree on this, I just think it isn't the government behind it, it is pretty much BP and people more than willing to help them out with it. The government might be helping, but they aren't the puppetmasters here.
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josda1000 wrote:
If they were at fault, and they are, they should be prosecuted in admiralty law, actually. This is a maritime issue, and they should be totally disbanned and bankrupted.
Well, one thing to think about here... If the government starts attacking from that angle, what motivation does BP have to fix the problem? That's like telling a bank robber, "You've been sentenced to death, but first you have to give the money back." (Yes, I know thieves don't get the death penalty - It's a difficult analogy) Unless the BP execs think that they'll be able to continue doing business after this is done, they have no reason to work extra hard to fix their mess.
josda1000 wrote:
I agree that they did something stupid, but for their "accident", and because it is such a disaster, they should be prosecuted
Actually, by them doing "something stupid," I was referring to the attempted cover-up, not the spill itself. Sure, that was stupid too, but that's beside the point :)
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I read the local news when I am away from home. I know it's a rag, but it gives me SOME idea of what is happening at home. Beyond that, I don't read the news. If you'd said the same thing, I may have read it more closely, years of dealing with captain retard means I assume anything he says is beneath contempt. I am rarely wrong.
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Yes, I've worked hard to raise my daughter to not trust the media, but most people do.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, I've worked hard to raise my daughter to not trust the media
I doubt this. You told her not to trust anyone who says AWG is a fraud designed to promote global governance, carbon taxes, and population control.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, I've worked hard to raise my daughter to not trust the media
I doubt this. You told her not to trust anyone who says AWG is a fraud designed to promote global governance, carbon taxes, and population control.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You told her not to trust anyone who says AWG is a fraud designed to promote global governance, carbon taxes, and population control.
You are an ignorant retard. I've in fact pointed out to her in our national museum that most of what they said about AGW ( such as that polar bears are all dying ) is a lie, as well as pointing out the nature of the 'aboriginal' propaganda we saw there ( in quotes because the activists behind it are all white ). But, you keep telling lies about me. It achieves it's only intended aim, creating a world of delusion for yourself. I may have told her not to trust you, but that's just obvious. You are a moron.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, I've worked hard to raise my daughter to not trust the media
I doubt this. You told her not to trust anyone who says AWG is a fraud designed to promote global governance, carbon taxes, and population control.
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I can just see the Illuminati Global Dominance Experimentation and Development Division a some years ago... hypothesis: AWG will get us control over the planet. We should use this to cause a worldwide fervor that will allow us to control people! Then a few years later... initial findings: Testing has found that saying it is important allowed us to make strong regulations governing how large businesses pollute, create items, conduct business. conclusion: since we ARE the large businesses and we can't control people with our products thanks to losing money because we can't pollute, make things that destroy the environment or conduct our business without oversite this experiment failed. solution: Start counter-culture attack of AWG. Make broad accusations, claim faulty science and generally expose our puppet scientists to attack.
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And how is you reading a single source and assuming that it's 100% truth, any different to what is being discussed as stupid ? Or are you telling me how I can be as misinformed and ignorant as you are ?
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