Another talking point: How I Became a Conservative (not me lol)
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/how_i_became_a_conservative.html[^] This man was a liberal (U.S. version) and changed to a conservative though through his son's ballgame. Read on.
Josh Davis
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/how_i_became_a_conservative.html[^] This man was a liberal (U.S. version) and changed to a conservative though through his son's ballgame. Read on.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.I don't really think that game "changed" anything for that guy. He called himself a liberal not because of his opinions or for anything that he actually did or believed in but because he had some posters on his wall when he was a kid? And because he voted Democrat? I guess once he decided that liberal was really synonymous with "educated" and that liberals do things like "feminizing young boys" whereas conservatives do things like have "a knife fight in Mexico" and in lieu of real arguments just glibly appeal to things "seeming unnatural" he knew exactly what he needed to call himself.
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I don't really think that game "changed" anything for that guy. He called himself a liberal not because of his opinions or for anything that he actually did or believed in but because he had some posters on his wall when he was a kid? And because he voted Democrat? I guess once he decided that liberal was really synonymous with "educated" and that liberals do things like "feminizing young boys" whereas conservatives do things like have "a knife fight in Mexico" and in lieu of real arguments just glibly appeal to things "seeming unnatural" he knew exactly what he needed to call himself.
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Point taken. It's just the name of the article, at the very least. He was basically just mimicking what his parents did until he realized it wasn't what he believed in.
Fisticuffs wrote:
I guess once he decided that liberal was really synonymous with "educated"
That is definitely a matter of perception. I see liberals as just believing in something, where it just doesn't work in a truly free society (when we're talking about economics).
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two. -
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/how_i_became_a_conservative.html[^] This man was a liberal (U.S. version) and changed to a conservative though through his son's ballgame. Read on.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.It sounds like he was happily playing the part of the liberal hippy douche until it actually effected him. Which is fairly typical. I'm about as liberal as you get, or if I'm not my friends are. There are not now, nor have there ever been posters of Ho Chi Min, Trotsky, or even Che on my wall. I could call around, but I can only come up with one who'd do it and that'd be because they had Maddox merch on their wall. I'm having a seriously hard time sitting here believing that a baseball team had parents who were almost exclusively college professors. And even if they were, that all of them were the kind that thinks poor little johnny is going to be scared for life if he loses a game. If that's true, that'd be a once in a generation coincidence, because most of the professors I know of are more along the lines of "Bust your ass so you aren't an idiot" variety. This entire story, right down to the scar from a Mexican knife fight sounds like a conservative's wet dream more so than anything resembling reality. The, I was a liberal, but then all of these ivory tower niceity nice bright shineys showed me how horrible and stupid, and unamerican and uncapitalist liberals really are and I'm conservative ever after, story. I've read plenty of them, and debunked a few. And the spelling is intentional.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/how_i_became_a_conservative.html[^] This man was a liberal (U.S. version) and changed to a conservative though through his son's ballgame. Read on.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.Quite often "I was X but then became Y" stories are outright lies. The way you can usually tell the difference is that the true stories usually don't present "X" as the sort of stereotype that only the stupider lifetime believers in "Y" actually think is reality. There are other ways to tell too. For instance, most real conversions do not happen due to one event. There may be a clear starting point or ending point, but the conversion process itself usually takes time.
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Quite often "I was X but then became Y" stories are outright lies. The way you can usually tell the difference is that the true stories usually don't present "X" as the sort of stereotype that only the stupider lifetime believers in "Y" actually think is reality. There are other ways to tell too. For instance, most real conversions do not happen due to one event. There may be a clear starting point or ending point, but the conversion process itself usually takes time.
I can understand this. I'd say the real events that made me who I am today are the bailouts and the crash, starting in 2008, and then it was a slow process from there, took about a year I'd say. I hear you. As to the story, I think it was just a turning point for him. I mean, the bailouts were the turning point for me, and it's been quite a ride since then. I can identify the instance that pushed me that much further into the "conservative camp", if you will.
Josh Davis
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I can understand this. I'd say the real events that made me who I am today are the bailouts and the crash, starting in 2008, and then it was a slow process from there, took about a year I'd say. I hear you. As to the story, I think it was just a turning point for him. I mean, the bailouts were the turning point for me, and it's been quite a ride since then. I can identify the instance that pushed me that much further into the "conservative camp", if you will.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.It could be read as a turning point, I suppose. Still, the suddenness aspect was an aside. My main problem with this account is that, for reasons already stated in this topic, it is an obvious outright fabrication. It reads like a creationist's account of meeting a "Darwinist", not like an event containing real people.
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It sounds like he was happily playing the part of the liberal hippy douche until it actually effected him. Which is fairly typical. I'm about as liberal as you get, or if I'm not my friends are. There are not now, nor have there ever been posters of Ho Chi Min, Trotsky, or even Che on my wall. I could call around, but I can only come up with one who'd do it and that'd be because they had Maddox merch on their wall. I'm having a seriously hard time sitting here believing that a baseball team had parents who were almost exclusively college professors. And even if they were, that all of them were the kind that thinks poor little johnny is going to be scared for life if he loses a game. If that's true, that'd be a once in a generation coincidence, because most of the professors I know of are more along the lines of "Bust your ass so you aren't an idiot" variety. This entire story, right down to the scar from a Mexican knife fight sounds like a conservative's wet dream more so than anything resembling reality. The, I was a liberal, but then all of these ivory tower niceity nice bright shineys showed me how horrible and stupid, and unamerican and uncapitalist liberals really are and I'm conservative ever after, story. I've read plenty of them, and debunked a few. And the spelling is intentional.
Distind wrote:
. There are not now, nor have there ever been posters of Ho Chi Min, Trotsky, or even Che on my wall
Sounds like the article played to right wing stereotypes a lot more than it did reality.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I can understand this. I'd say the real events that made me who I am today are the bailouts and the crash, starting in 2008, and then it was a slow process from there, took about a year I'd say. I hear you. As to the story, I think it was just a turning point for him. I mean, the bailouts were the turning point for me, and it's been quite a ride since then. I can identify the instance that pushed me that much further into the "conservative camp", if you will.
Josh Davis
Always looking for blackjack. Or maybe White Frank. One of the two.josda1000 wrote:
As to the story, I think it was just a turning point for him.
From what I'm reading, I think it's all made up BS.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Distind wrote:
. There are not now, nor have there ever been posters of Ho Chi Min, Trotsky, or even Che on my wall
Sounds like the article played to right wing stereotypes a lot more than it did reality.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.