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Enough BP and other shenanigans... Onto the Post Office.

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  • R RichardM1

    Christian Graus wrote:

    Any guns the citizens could have at home, won't help them much there

    Because the Afghans are having no effect with their small arms?

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    Well, there's all sorts of reasons that situation is different. Of course small arms can kill people, but there's no way that they represent a viable military option against the might of the US army. If you were in your own country, looking for rebels and criminals ( by their definition ), they would have no trouble winning that war, even if a few die along the way. The biggest issue is not the guns, but the men. You won't get US soldiers to fire on US citizens en masse. It's not going to happen. That's the biggest invalidator of the whole 'militia' idea.

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      Well, there's all sorts of reasons that situation is different. Of course small arms can kill people, but there's no way that they represent a viable military option against the might of the US army. If you were in your own country, looking for rebels and criminals ( by their definition ), they would have no trouble winning that war, even if a few die along the way. The biggest issue is not the guns, but the men. You won't get US soldiers to fire on US citizens en masse. It's not going to happen. That's the biggest invalidator of the whole 'militia' idea.

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      Christian Graus wrote:

      Of course small arms can kill people, but there's no way that they represent a viable military option against the might of the US army.

      Tell that to the troops in Afghanistan.

      Christian Graus wrote:

      You won't get US soldiers to fire on US citizens en masse. It's not going to happen.

      Huh. Tell that to Kent State. Could be I'm stupid, But the difference is just not obvious to me. Plus, you argue against yourself: Wouldn't be a 'viable military option' says ineffective, but 'Won't get US soldiers to fire' says the militias will be as effective as they want to be.

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        Christian Graus wrote:

        Of course small arms can kill people, but there's no way that they represent a viable military option against the might of the US army.

        Tell that to the troops in Afghanistan.

        Christian Graus wrote:

        You won't get US soldiers to fire on US citizens en masse. It's not going to happen.

        Huh. Tell that to Kent State. Could be I'm stupid, But the difference is just not obvious to me. Plus, you argue against yourself: Wouldn't be a 'viable military option' says ineffective, but 'Won't get US soldiers to fire' says the militias will be as effective as they want to be.

        Opacity, the new Transparency.

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        RichardM1 wrote:

        Could be I'm stupid

        Could be :P

        RichardM1 wrote:

        Plus, you argue against yourself: Wouldn't be a 'viable military option' says ineffective, but 'Won't get US soldiers to fire' says the militias will be as effective as they want to be.

        At the core, if I have a gun, I can shoot someone. If I enter a battle with a pop gun against a tank, I won't live long. Sure, Kent State happened, in a time of unrest and uncertainty, and certainly in a time where the soldiers were people who were more likely to blindly follow orders, than anyone alive today. At a minimum, the amendment in question does expect that your gun at home makes you able to fight a soldier from your country, or an invading country, in an open battlefield, and that is plain not true today.

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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          RichardM1 wrote:

          Could be I'm stupid

          Could be :P

          RichardM1 wrote:

          Plus, you argue against yourself: Wouldn't be a 'viable military option' says ineffective, but 'Won't get US soldiers to fire' says the militias will be as effective as they want to be.

          At the core, if I have a gun, I can shoot someone. If I enter a battle with a pop gun against a tank, I won't live long. Sure, Kent State happened, in a time of unrest and uncertainty, and certainly in a time where the soldiers were people who were more likely to blindly follow orders, than anyone alive today. At a minimum, the amendment in question does expect that your gun at home makes you able to fight a soldier from your country, or an invading country, in an open battlefield, and that is plain not true today.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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          Christian Graus wrote:

          At a minimum, the amendment in question does expect that your gun at home makes you able to fight a soldier from your country, or an invading country, in an open battlefield, and that is plain not true today.

          What are the insurgents in the middle east using that is so much better? How are they keeping us from just sweeping the country free of them? What weapons do they have that would not be available to me, if I tried?

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