Single mothers
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At home, we have enclaves of fourth generation unemployed people, raising kids in poverty, whose best and most viable life option is to have a kid as early as possible ( I would guess median age at 15 ), so they get a baby bonus payment ( more money that their family ever sees in one place otherwise ) and a pension for life. Then I see them on TV, saying things like 'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'. No, you don't. But, that doesn't mean I should be paying for your life, not when you chose it. Now, IVF is taxpayer funded to people who want a kid without sex ( lesbians being the obvious one ). What the hell is going on ? And, the other issue is, the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS. So, there is no upside for society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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At home, we have enclaves of fourth generation unemployed people, raising kids in poverty, whose best and most viable life option is to have a kid as early as possible ( I would guess median age at 15 ), so they get a baby bonus payment ( more money that their family ever sees in one place otherwise ) and a pension for life. Then I see them on TV, saying things like 'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'. No, you don't. But, that doesn't mean I should be paying for your life, not when you chose it. Now, IVF is taxpayer funded to people who want a kid without sex ( lesbians being the obvious one ). What the hell is going on ? And, the other issue is, the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS. So, there is no upside for society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
People bleat about the right to have children, but it is not a right, it is a priveledge. And Lesbian and Gay people moan about Their rights to raise a family, and that is fine, but what of the child's rights to have a mother and a father? And why, given the massive overpopulation in this world are we paying for IVF? If you want it, you pay for it. In the UK there is Child Allowance, a universal benefit for anyone who has had a child. Far from giving Child Allowance, I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children, that would stop the feckless from shagging their way into publicly funded housing and cut the number of feral children who come out of school after 11 years for free education barely able to scratch their name on a dole cheque and who communicate in grunts and whistles.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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People bleat about the right to have children, but it is not a right, it is a priveledge. And Lesbian and Gay people moan about Their rights to raise a family, and that is fine, but what of the child's rights to have a mother and a father? And why, given the massive overpopulation in this world are we paying for IVF? If you want it, you pay for it. In the UK there is Child Allowance, a universal benefit for anyone who has had a child. Far from giving Child Allowance, I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children, that would stop the feckless from shagging their way into publicly funded housing and cut the number of feral children who come out of school after 11 years for free education barely able to scratch their name on a dole cheque and who communicate in grunts and whistles.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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At home, we have enclaves of fourth generation unemployed people, raising kids in poverty, whose best and most viable life option is to have a kid as early as possible ( I would guess median age at 15 ), so they get a baby bonus payment ( more money that their family ever sees in one place otherwise ) and a pension for life. Then I see them on TV, saying things like 'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'. No, you don't. But, that doesn't mean I should be paying for your life, not when you chose it. Now, IVF is taxpayer funded to people who want a kid without sex ( lesbians being the obvious one ). What the hell is going on ? And, the other issue is, the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS. So, there is no upside for society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Systems are abused We have people like that too They should all be fined If they're that unwise Put their kids in foster homes Let their folks go broke Where I used to live Certain groups would work like this Have kids every year They went further still Learned to cheat the system well Financial black hole Don't want to name names, It was a religious group Tried to screw us all Kind of funny though Families with seven kids Wives always pregnant On a side note, though This haiku thing's really fun Big thumbs up to Rag
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
People bleat about the right to have children, but it is not a right, it is a priveledge. And Lesbian and Gay people moan about Their rights to raise a family, and that is fine, but what of the child's rights to have a mother and a father? And why, given the massive overpopulation in this world are we paying for IVF? If you want it, you pay for it. In the UK there is Child Allowance, a universal benefit for anyone who has had a child. Far from giving Child Allowance, I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children, that would stop the feckless from shagging their way into publicly funded housing and cut the number of feral children who come out of school after 11 years for free education barely able to scratch their name on a dole cheque and who communicate in grunts and whistles.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
People bleat about the right to have children, but it is not a right, it is a priveledge.
At most, those able to create life by traditional methods, have the right to do so without state interference. That's about it. That right exists entirely because we don't have a right to stop it. It's not a right to give birth, it's a right to not be interfered with, in terms of your body.
Dalek Dave wrote:
And Lesbian and Gay people moan about Their rights to raise a family, and that is fine, but what of the child's rights to have a mother and a father?
Yeah, I've seen several shows that interview, for example, a boy raised by lesbians, and it's lovely to be all PC, but a child needs both parents, and even if one dyke is butch enough to take the father figure role, the kids I've seen are plainly the result of years of in school bullying, no matter how happy they say they are. Single mothers suffer from this more than lesbians. Kids are not well off when there's only one parent, and the potential stream of abusive step fathers only makes it worse. Sure, some may well find good relationships, but when you start at the bottom of the economic ladder, the prognosis is not good.
Dalek Dave wrote:
And why, given the massive overpopulation in this world are we paying for IVF? If you want it, you pay for it.
Exactly - we don't NEED more people, so why fund them ?
Dalek Dave wrote:
In the UK there is Child Allowance, a universal benefit for anyone who has had a child.
We have that, it is means tested, but when we earned an average wage, we still got some money from the government for breeding. It's insane. But the bulk goes to single mothers, obviously. Something like 30% of our taxes go to welfare.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Far from giving Child Allowance, I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children, that would stop the feckless from shagging their way into publicly funded housing and cut the number of feral children who come out of school after 11 years for free education barely able to scratch their name on a dole cheque and who communicate in grunts and whistles.
Yes, I tend to agree. The alternative, is to have minimum standards of education and behaviour to be met by the child at every
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People bleat about the right to have children, but it is not a right, it is a priveledge. And Lesbian and Gay people moan about Their rights to raise a family, and that is fine, but what of the child's rights to have a mother and a father? And why, given the massive overpopulation in this world are we paying for IVF? If you want it, you pay for it. In the UK there is Child Allowance, a universal benefit for anyone who has had a child. Far from giving Child Allowance, I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children, that would stop the feckless from shagging their way into publicly funded housing and cut the number of feral children who come out of school after 11 years for free education barely able to scratch their name on a dole cheque and who communicate in grunts and whistles.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
That might not be good Populations in the west Starting to decline We don't need less kids Just need them from smarter folks Those that can support. Tricky issue, though Not so nice to penalize People will complain
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Dalek Dave wrote:
People bleat about the right to have children, but it is not a right, it is a priveledge.
At most, those able to create life by traditional methods, have the right to do so without state interference. That's about it. That right exists entirely because we don't have a right to stop it. It's not a right to give birth, it's a right to not be interfered with, in terms of your body.
Dalek Dave wrote:
And Lesbian and Gay people moan about Their rights to raise a family, and that is fine, but what of the child's rights to have a mother and a father?
Yeah, I've seen several shows that interview, for example, a boy raised by lesbians, and it's lovely to be all PC, but a child needs both parents, and even if one dyke is butch enough to take the father figure role, the kids I've seen are plainly the result of years of in school bullying, no matter how happy they say they are. Single mothers suffer from this more than lesbians. Kids are not well off when there's only one parent, and the potential stream of abusive step fathers only makes it worse. Sure, some may well find good relationships, but when you start at the bottom of the economic ladder, the prognosis is not good.
Dalek Dave wrote:
And why, given the massive overpopulation in this world are we paying for IVF? If you want it, you pay for it.
Exactly - we don't NEED more people, so why fund them ?
Dalek Dave wrote:
In the UK there is Child Allowance, a universal benefit for anyone who has had a child.
We have that, it is means tested, but when we earned an average wage, we still got some money from the government for breeding. It's insane. But the bulk goes to single mothers, obviously. Something like 30% of our taxes go to welfare.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Far from giving Child Allowance, I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children, that would stop the feckless from shagging their way into publicly funded housing and cut the number of feral children who come out of school after 11 years for free education barely able to scratch their name on a dole cheque and who communicate in grunts and whistles.
Yes, I tend to agree. The alternative, is to have minimum standards of education and behaviour to be met by the child at every
Christian Graus wrote:
one way or another, we need to stop giving the people with the least to offer the gene pool incentive to breed at our cost.
Idiocracy Quite a prophetic movie We are really screwed.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Systems are abused We have people like that too They should all be fined If they're that unwise Put their kids in foster homes Let their folks go broke Where I used to live Certain groups would work like this Have kids every year They went further still Learned to cheat the system well Financial black hole Don't want to name names, It was a religious group Tried to screw us all Kind of funny though Families with seven kids Wives always pregnant On a side note, though This haiku thing's really fun Big thumbs up to Rag
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)You know I am only using it on CSS... I was hoping to annoy him, but apparently you can't bug a bug.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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I would also ban Leeds.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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You know I am only using it on CSS... I was hoping to annoy him, but apparently you can't bug a bug.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
Well, he's not posting enough, and it's a slow day at work, so I'm livening things up... Of course, people seem too afraid to reply, so maybe it's counterproductive.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Well, he's not posting enough, and it's a slow day at work, so I'm livening things up... Of course, people seem too afraid to reply, so maybe it's counterproductive.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)*grin* yeah, I feel inadequate responding to a haiku. Not that this thread got much response anyhow....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Systems are abused We have people like that too They should all be fined If they're that unwise Put their kids in foster homes Let their folks go broke Where I used to live Certain groups would work like this Have kids every year They went further still Learned to cheat the system well Financial black hole Don't want to name names, It was a religious group Tried to screw us all Kind of funny though Families with seven kids Wives always pregnant On a side note, though This haiku thing's really fun Big thumbs up to Rag
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)There's actually a ton of stuff in the papers at the moment about foster kids who rob or falsely accuse their carers. Sounds like a nightmare to me.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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At home, we have enclaves of fourth generation unemployed people, raising kids in poverty, whose best and most viable life option is to have a kid as early as possible ( I would guess median age at 15 ), so they get a baby bonus payment ( more money that their family ever sees in one place otherwise ) and a pension for life. Then I see them on TV, saying things like 'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'. No, you don't. But, that doesn't mean I should be paying for your life, not when you chose it. Now, IVF is taxpayer funded to people who want a kid without sex ( lesbians being the obvious one ). What the hell is going on ? And, the other issue is, the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS. So, there is no upside for society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS
Perhaps your country's education system could do with an overhaul.
Christian Graus wrote:
'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'
That is universal. You could be a millionaire and say (and mean) the same thing. Poverty makes it that much harder. And education could play a big role there, so does your country's education system need an overhaul?
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Christian Graus wrote:
the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS
Perhaps your country's education system could do with an overhaul.
Christian Graus wrote:
'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'
That is universal. You could be a millionaire and say (and mean) the same thing. Poverty makes it that much harder. And education could play a big role there, so does your country's education system need an overhaul?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Perhaps your country's education system could do with an overhaul.
Our issue is not the school system as a whole, it's that we've created enclaves of unemployable people, and so the schools in those areas have too many problem kids, to cope. Plus, the kids have so many issues, the schools focus on feeding and clothing kids ( the staff pay for this ), and teaching basic hygiene, etc, all the stuff that kids in other areas learn from their parents. We have family who work in the local school, so I know this first hand.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
And education could play a big role there, so does your country's education system need an overhaul?
No amount of education will change where we place incentives. The issue is that these girls rightly see breeding as the best option their life offers.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Poverty makes it that much harder.
No doubt. I don't hate the girls for taking the best option they are offered, I hate the society that decides to weigh things in that direction. When there was a social stigma, when your parents had to pay or you lost your baby, girls knew how to keep their legs together or take a pill once a day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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*grin* yeah, I feel inadequate responding to a haiku. Not that this thread got much response anyhow....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
You made a thread about leeches on the system. No real debate needed. No one likes a leech. It's why you use fire. Now lesbians having babies is fine by me. Saying they deserve a dad is poppycock. I have met plenty of lesbians that are much manlier than some dads I know and as long as the kids are raised with a couple that is loving, they should end up fine. Boys may not get all the "man points" they should because they don't learn to be withdrawn a-holes (doing my best to teach mine this stuff, but his mom is making him all nice and polite...) but the boys will likely not be all that weird. If you want a super long debate thread, make something controversial for real. Like "Fake boobies. False advertisement or nice upgrade?"
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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You made a thread about leeches on the system. No real debate needed. No one likes a leech. It's why you use fire. Now lesbians having babies is fine by me. Saying they deserve a dad is poppycock. I have met plenty of lesbians that are much manlier than some dads I know and as long as the kids are raised with a couple that is loving, they should end up fine. Boys may not get all the "man points" they should because they don't learn to be withdrawn a-holes (doing my best to teach mine this stuff, but his mom is making him all nice and polite...) but the boys will likely not be all that weird. If you want a super long debate thread, make something controversial for real. Like "Fake boobies. False advertisement or nice upgrade?"
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
You made a thread about leeches on the system. No real debate needed. No one likes a leech. It's why you use fire.
I was trying to think of something that josh and I might agree on, to be honest.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Now lesbians having babies is fine by me
I honestly don't care so much, so long as they pay for it. I mean, while I do think that the most likely family unit to succeed is a dad and a mom, I'm not saying that is showing a 100% success rate. If they can pay for it, it's none of my business.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
as long as the kids are raised with a couple that is loving, they should end up fine
One would hope so.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Boys may not get all the "man points" they should because they don't learn to be withdrawn a-holes (doing my best to teach mine this stuff, but his mom is making him all nice and polite...) but the boys will likely not be all that weird.
Well, the ones I've seen, were. But then, I had a mom and a dad and I was a weird kid. Still, my parents were still weird.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
If you want a super long debate thread, make something controversial for real.
*grin*
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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That might not be good Populations in the west Starting to decline We don't need less kids Just need them from smarter folks Those that can support. Tricky issue, though Not so nice to penalize People will complain
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
At home, we have enclaves of fourth generation unemployed people, raising kids in poverty, whose best and most viable life option is to have a kid as early as possible ( I would guess median age at 15 ), so they get a baby bonus payment ( more money that their family ever sees in one place otherwise ) and a pension for life. Then I see them on TV, saying things like 'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'. No, you don't. But, that doesn't mean I should be paying for your life, not when you chose it. Now, IVF is taxpayer funded to people who want a kid without sex ( lesbians being the obvious one ). What the hell is going on ? And, the other issue is, the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS. So, there is no upside for society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I would like to know how much of your tax money goes to providing these people with a very basic level of existence compared to: 1) Spending on pointless GW research. 2) (In the EUs case) pumping millions into Palestine. 3) Pumping milliosn into Kazakhstan (yes the EU does thie, god knows why) 4) Pumping milions into god knows whatever countries we do for god kows what reason. 5) Abuse by politicians. EU workers dont pay income tax, yet get massive benefits. 6) The same for the UN. 7) Pointless government programs that come to nothing. 8) Pointless QUANGOS and so on. 9) General waste and overstaffing in public bodies.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Christian Graus wrote:
the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS
Perhaps your country's education system could do with an overhaul.
Christian Graus wrote:
'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'
That is universal. You could be a millionaire and say (and mean) the same thing. Poverty makes it that much harder. And education could play a big role there, so does your country's education system need an overhaul?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Poverty makes it that much harder
At least you get to spend time with your kids. Which currently is piissing me off because I wm working away on a 6 month contract and only back every two weekends. To be unemployed, and to be able to spend all that time playing guitar and doing stuff with the family and friends. Bloody luxury! :mad: ;P :)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I would like to know how much of your tax money goes to providing these people with a very basic level of existence compared to: 1) Spending on pointless GW research. 2) (In the EUs case) pumping millions into Palestine. 3) Pumping milliosn into Kazakhstan (yes the EU does thie, god knows why) 4) Pumping milions into god knows whatever countries we do for god kows what reason. 5) Abuse by politicians. EU workers dont pay income tax, yet get massive benefits. 6) The same for the UN. 7) Pointless government programs that come to nothing. 8) Pointless QUANGOS and so on. 9) General waste and overstaffing in public bodies.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
I would like to know how much of your tax money goes to providing these people with a very basic level of existence compared to:
I've already said : 30%. So, that doesn't leave much in comparison for your list of more than 2 items.
fat_boy wrote:
Spending on pointless GW research.
Well, it's your opinion that research is pointless. At a minimum, the fact that most people who pay the taxes feel otherwise, means they have a right to have their money put there
fat_boy wrote:
(In the EUs case) pumping millions into Palestine.
While the US pumps it in to Israel ?
fat_boy wrote:
Pumping milliosn into Kazakhstan (yes the EU does thie, god knows why)
I thought they had excess deposits of potassium, do they need aid ? :P
fat_boy wrote:
Pumping milions into god knows whatever countries we do for god kows what reason.
Well, I think foreign aid is a good thing, if it's spent wisely. I do think that the best solution is for it to happen through the tax cuts we give to individuals who give money to aid. That way, the levels of spending represent the will of the people.
fat_boy wrote:
- Abuse by politicians. EU workers dont pay income tax, yet get massive benefits. 6) The same for the UN. 7) Pointless government programs that come to nothing. 8) Pointless QUANGOS and so on. 9) General waste and overstaffing in public bodies.
Well, this is all one group, really. I wonder that, too. But, the fact that waste exists, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to cut it where we can, and the societal cost of what I'm talking about goes well beyond money.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.